In the interest of full disclosure I will say that the author is one Reb Yitzchok Brand, a Rov who goes up to har haBayis, as we see from the picture below, center. I do not condone what he does, nor is this an approbation of the above pamphlet. The topic has been getting lots of publicity lately, with Daf Yomi just passing the end of Kesubos, where the topic is discussed. Many maggidei shiur will stop and discuss the whole topic, VaYoel Moshe and all. All of them do it with the greatest respect for the author, despite disagreeing.
why this fresh excrement, did the sulfite from the old stoped its blood rush to your brain
ReplyDeleteThe following is the Satmer Rebbes opinion why Advocating Herzl’s plan to establish a Jewish government without Messiach is in violation with 2 of the 13 principles of the Jewish Religion A) Hashem punishes, B). Waiting for Meshiach,
ReplyDelete1) It is important to remember that Jewish Sovereignty over Eretz Yisroel is CONDITIONAL!!!!
2) It so happened that in the covenant of Hashem with our father Abraham it was agreed that the punishment for violating the Jewish faith, would be Exile/Gules,
3) Hashem told us thru our NeVeim that the redemption of the Jewish people will be by Mesihach.
4) The Amoira Shmuel the biggest Poisek in his Generation says: That Hashems decree on us to WAIT for Meshiach, is meant for Mesihachs SOLE ACTION to Restore A Jewish Sovereignty and to reestablish a Jewish Government ,""All other attributes to Meshiach can be (and are)disputed"",
5) The Rambam brings down LeHalucha the words of Shmuel as impartial: “Umri Chacumim” and states that whoever does not WAIT for Meshiach (as described by Shmuel) is an Apikoires
6) The ReShab Writes a warning for our days: "That even if the Hertzel plan would achieve their goal, we must not listen to them in this matter "to make our redemption with our own power"
7) So any one who is ONLY in the OPINION that Meshiachs JOB may be achieved without him, is JUST
Not Waiting for Him and is an Apikoires , and The punishment for contemplating the Herzel plan is pre warned,
To illustrate the above, envision yourself with the following Mushel:
You see a group of people waiting at a bus stop, it is assumed that these people are waiting for a bus to arrive and to take them to a certain destination,
A taxi drives by, and yells out: hop into my taxi ,You people are waiting for noting, no bus will arrive and the bus shelter will collapse on your head, hop into my taxi,
First group of Non Waiters
A few people pass by and say we have been waiting at another stop, and the bus broke down in front of our nose so we started to walk, join us You people are waiting for noting, no bus will arrive and the bus shelter will collapse on your head,
Second group of Non Waiters
Another group of people come by and say: Come help to push the broken bus
Third group of Non Waiter
A cyclist drives by, his Device blaring: we want the bus now we don't want to wait
Fourth group of Non Waiters
A horse and buggy passes by and yells out, I am a professional mechanic, if the bus will ever be fixed you won’t we be able to afford the fare, hop unto my buggy,
Fifth group of Non Waiters
As the group of Waiters dwindle, one Waiter says to the fellow next to him, I know the bus manufacturer and his product, even I will be here by myself I will remain Waiting , the fellow next to him replies , but explain me why did the bus manufacturer tell us to wait for a bus when he also manufactures planes trains, ships, tanks cars, bike, scooters?, and why such lousy shelter?
The first Waiter replies, I do not understand the logic behind His plan, but HE said when the bus will arrive the plan will be self-understood
WAITING is a stage of a resolute inactive passive behavior
Jews have to wait for Meshiach to create a Jewish State, creating a Jewish state without him, one becomes a Non Waiter, which the Rambam calls
an APIKOIRES,
SUMMERY :
ReplyDeleteWAITING when decreed by a SUPER BEING, It has to become a frame of mind, Like it or not, practical or not,
Jews have to wait for Meshiach to create a Jewish State, creating a Jewish state without him, one becomes a Non Waiter, which the Rambam calls an APIKOIRES,
In the beginning of the Common Era the Amoire Shmuel formulated his successful campaign against early Christians and devised a slogan that said "" The ONLY difference between before Meshiach and after Meshiach is HIM establishing of a Jewish Independent Government""" , which Yoshke failed to accomplish ,
Bavli prods 5 times the soundness and scope of Shmuels slogan by analyzing 5 statements that broadens the scope of Meshiachs Actions/Era , but all 5 statements agree that the reestablishing of a Jewish government is exclusively Meshiachs role for the Jewish people,(V”Yoel Moshe) and the Rambam Codifies this as Halacha by Proclaiming for us today :
1) Jews wait for Meshiach to be free of non Jewish governments, by Meshiach Himself establishing a Jewish sovereignty,
2) All other objectives that might result at the era of Meshiach does not necessarily have to happen by Meshiach Personally,
3) Do Not Talk about the OTHER OBJECTIVES when highlighting Meshiachs Objective (as Shmuel has done in his campaign),
4) Whoever does not believe the above or does not WAIT for Meshiach to do the creation of the Jewish State is an A P I K O R E S
Please be open minded by joining the Satmers in prayers, that Hashem should not punish us again, because of those who are actively Non-Waiters
Yidel Warter
old news, how about bitul מצות ישוב א"י untill moshiach comes, that will be news.
ReplyDeletebelow is a link from a different publication by this rabbi explaining שיטת סאטמאר.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rabbibrand.022.co.il/BRPortal/br/P102.jsp?arc=1035126&kw=%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%9C-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%9C-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%A8-%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D
In rav yitzock brand's book on יבום he explains why the חב״ד flag is a rising sun...(זרח-זריחה)... They thought משיח was being born but then פרץ jumped in ... The real משיח!!!
ReplyDeletevery funny it stinks like tziki k.
DeleteThis kuntrus looks pretty weak... A few years ago you-tzig brought rav yoel kahn's kuntrus which was nice but not to convincing...
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לא בריתי יומם ולילה חוקות שמיים וארץ לא שמתי שאילולא התורה הקדושה לא נתקיימו
שמיים וארץ, האוכלים ושותים ומתריזים האם הם יכולים לבטל השבעה ימים ג"כ? כסילים מתי תשכילו
ReplyDeleteר"מ רימון מצא תוכו אכל, פי' האריז"ל שהי' מוציא הבחי' רמון שהיא רע! ותוכו אכל, איטשעלע די ביסט קיין ר' מאיר, די ביסט די קליפה אליין, פארקויף דיינע השכלה פאר די בלז'ע משכילים זיי זענען קונדן פאר דיין סחורה שחורה, סחור סחור אמרינן לנזירא לכרמינו לא תקרב.
די אגודה האט א טעלעפאן בוך מיט גדולים פון זייער זוצונגען קימט ארויס גרויסע גדולים! אין אויב דאס העלפט נישט צו זייער ציל דעמאלט עלית למרום שבית שבי און זיי באנוצן זיך מיט די שבי' די תורה נעבעך אליין וואס איז וויא א שבי' ביי זיי כתרטימר בשר . וד"ל
ReplyDeleteהגאון ר'חיים עוזר וגם הח"ח ז"ל ממייסדי האגודה הישנה לחם בחריפות נגד בחירת נשים, ונגד מינוי נשים לשום תפקיד, האם הוא הי' חתום על החוב קדוש לבחור לגאלדע מייער, ולציפוי לבנה, אין ספק שהאגודה דעכשיו (ישראלאשע-מענדעלע-בערעלע) יש לו כח לדחקוה הגאונים הנ"ל באמת הבנין, אבל הקושיא במקומה עמדת
ReplyDeleteוזלש"ק של מרן הגה"ק מקאמארנע זצלה"ה זי"ע, נפטר י' אייר תרל"ד. בספרו אוצר החיים פי' לתרי"ג מצות, נדפס בהיכל הברכה, ובספרו הק' נתיב מצותיך.
ReplyDeleteמ"ע לרשת א"י ולא לעזבה ביד גוים ולא להניחה שממה שנאמר והורשתם את יושבי הארץ וישבתם בה כי לכם נתתי את הארץ לרשת אותה וכן מצוה לדורות לשבת בא"י עד היום בזמן הגלות. (עד ולא עד בכלל, המעתיק)
וזהו אף שהיא מצוה גמורה לא יבוא במנין באין פנים שלא יבוא למנין שום מצוה אלא מה שיש כח ביד אנושי לקיים, אבל מצוה שצריך עזר א' ונבואה לא יבוא למנין ולא מצינו מצוה שיהיה אדם נביא או בעל רוח הקודש אף שהנבואה שורש גדול בדת ישראל והיאך יצוה לנו האל ב"ה מצוה שאין בידינו לקיים אותה אם לא בעזר א' ובאותת ובמופתים כנראה ממלחמות יהושע שהיה כמה אותת ומופתים בשמים ובארץ וכן בכל המלחמות.
ומצוה כזאת לא יבוא למנין באין פנים ואסור לנו לעשות שום מלחמה וכיבוש אם לא עפ"י הנביא ומצוה התלויים בנבואה לא יבוא למנין אלא שכל פסוקים האלה הם לשעתן לזמן יהושע שהנביא צוה להם עפ"י השם ב"ה שילכו למלחמה ויכבשו את הארץ והבטיח אותם שיצליחו בכל מעשיהם וכל זה לזמן יהושע.
ואדרבה אנו מושבעין שלא ימרדו במלכיות אלא נקבל באהבה עד בוא יבוא משיח צדקנו, וזה לא יהיה בדרך הטבע אלא בכמה אותות ומופתים משונים ונפלאות, וזה לא יבוא במנין המצות כי המצות נתנו לבשר ודם ולא לנביאים המשנים הטבע אלא לכל ישראל בשוה וכן הסכימו התוספות. עכלשה"ק
Yidel Warter
ReplyDelete1) It is important to remember that Jewish Sovereignty over Eretz Yisroel is CONDITIONAL!!!!
the Ramban ( not from the Tzanzer Siger cheder but a good jew) held the Yishuv Eretz Yisroel is a Deoiraso and he put o condition.
די ביסט אנ אפיקורס אזוי מזלזל זיין אין צדיקי יסוד עולם. והשנית ביסטו א שקרן און אנ ע"ה ווייל דער רמב"ם האט דאס ארויס גילערינט דורך אנ אסמכתא פון אבד תאבדון וואס אנ דעהם איז מען עובר אויף איסורא דאורייתא יעדע מינוט דארט. דאס איז דער טעם די פרומע שקצים פון די פארטייען שטייען נישט צו בעטן דעם משרד הדתות, ווייל זיי וואכן גאר אויף אללע ע"ז אין לאנד לא דוב ולא יער מיט דיינע רמב""ם
DeleteYidel Warter
ReplyDelete" It so happened that in the covenant of Hashem with our father Abraham it was agreed that the punishment for violating the Jewish faith, would be Exile/Gules,"
it is written that we will get Eretz Yisroel after Mitzraim Exile, where are u getting your sources, is it a midrash quoted in Veyoel Moshe
" is it a midrash quoted in Veyoel Moshe"
Deleteit is written all over you that you're a מלעיג על דברי חז"ל ואין לך חלק לעוה"ב
Deleteויואל משה נטריקון: אנכי ולא יהי' לך מפי הגבורה שמענו
Yidel Warter
ReplyDelete" 3) Hashem told us thru our NeVeim that the redemption of the Jewish people will be by Mesihach."
you are correct there is no redemption, but Jews can still live there in their own country
if the rambam would live today and all other giants with him he would of without doubt "forbid any jew" to live in israel today! the most dangerous place spiritually and physicaly in the world! even with the 1000k of bt's
DeleteYidel Warter
ReplyDelete"The Amoira Shmuel the biggest Poisek in his Generation says: That Hashems decree on us to WAIT for Meshiach, is meant for Mesihachs SOLE ACTION to Restore A Jewish Sovereignty and to reestablish a Jewish Government ,""All other attributes to Meshiach can be (and are)disputed"
where is the mamar chazal???? you stretching some words in shmuel
Yidel Warter
ReplyDelete" The Rambam brings down LeHalucha the words of Shmuel as impartial: “Umri Chacumim” and states that whoever does not WAIT for Meshiach (as described by Shmuel) is an Apikoires"
the rambam writes that you have to wait for moshiach, but the details are not mandatory
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Third day of Shavuos was cancelled?
ReplyDeleteפראנקיסט said...
ReplyDeleteהגאון ר'חיים עוזר וגם הח"ח ז"ל ממייסדי האגודה הישנה לחם בחריפות נגד בחירת נשים, ונגד מינוי נשים לשום תפקיד, האם הוא הי' חתום על החוב קדוש לבחור לגאלדע מייער, ולציפוי לבנה, אין ספק שהאגודה דעכשיו (ישראלאשע-מענדעלע-בערעלע) יש לו כח לדחקוה הגאונים הנ"ל באמת הבנין, אבל הקושיא במקומה עמדת
does the hoodlum language against Manhigai Yisroel, make you feel better? like kidergarten kids in a brawl talking toilet language, THIS SUCH A VULGAR SANDS STREET TALK. GROW UP.
Reb Chaim Oizer and the Chofetz chaim signed on many kol korehs for the charadie vote in Poland, the Siem had Shikses Apikorsim Bundisten etc.. and they still signed that charadie deputies should serve with them. Why is the mideast different. dor arguments sake lets say its all goyim gemirim moridin veloi moridin like the goyim in Poland, the charadie wants to get his share of that place like in Poland
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Deleteרמב"ם הל' מלכים פ"א ה"ה: ואין מעמידין אשה במלכות שנאמר עליך מלך ולא מלכה, וכן כל משימות שבישראל אין ממנים בהם אלא איש
בשו"ת אגרות משה חלק יו"ד (חלק ב' סימן מ"ה וז"ל: "ובכלל הרי מינוי כופרים ורשעים ודאי אינו כדין התורה כמפורש ברמב"ם פ"א ממלכים ה"ז וכל מי שאין בו יראת שמים אע"פ שחכמתו מרובה אין ממנין אותו למינוי מן המינויין שבישראל"!
הגאון ר' אברהם קאלמאנאוויטץ ז"ל ר"מ מיר נ.י. אמר שהוא בעצמו שמע מפ"ק של הגאון ר' חיים עוזר ז"ל שהי' בזמנו מגדולי הלוחמים נגד הציונות וכל מיני משרתיה: שח"ו להטיל איזה ספק בפסק הרמב"ם הזה מן הספרי שהוא אחד מיסודות התורה הנצחיים, וכל טהור עינים יראה שהדין הזה של איש ולא אשה! כתב בכל פסוק שבתורה מן בראשית ועד לעיני כל ישראל, עכ"ל
slime BALL! after all it wasn't a schitah mehuderes the בהמה is still kicking like a גוסס all your tainted gedoli ha parties! - throwing in even the kitchen sink - toghether will not even register on the scale comparing to the צדיקי קדושי עליון כמו הבעל היכל הברכה מקאמארנא, או הדברי חיים ז"ל whom you slime ball brushed off as dust ! תיפח עצמותך .
Delete"why is the mideast different"
Deleteidk if you nishchat meudares, or even circumsized meudares, but i do no you're senile meudares!
the mideast (א"י) is different because עיני ד' בה and because of the ואבדתם מהרה מעל הארץ הטובה, ח"ו. המדינה של גיהנ So where talking not of poland or germany which can kill half of us and there is still a poland or germany! not so isrsel! we paid a price twice, and now that the whole world pivoted towards israel including america aligned with iran אדום against israel the heat got out of the kitchen ותוצאותיו מי ישורון and you ask why is it different ?
hey pig watch your shadows, when those guys bobbed on scripture 600 of them at once 16 full hours daily, when at that age you clung to kahuna and garbalogis's, buzz of.
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ReplyDelete"וזלש"ק של מרן הגה"ק מקאמארנע זצלה"ה זי"ע, נפטר י' אייר תרל"ד. בספרו אוצר "החיים פי' לתרי"ג מצות, נדפס בהיכל הברכה, ובספרו הק' נתיב מצותיך.
we dont care whats written in chasidic seforim,
its along time Nishtakcho......
אלף כמותך יבטלו ואל יבטל דבר א' מדבריו, כל הדור כולו אין בכח לעמוד כנגד קודש הקדשים ממקאמארנא זצ"ל
DeleteYidel Warter
ReplyDelete" The ReShab Writes a warning for our days: "That even if the Hertzel plan would achieve their goal, we must not listen to them in this matter "to make our redemption with our own power""
we dont care what the reshab said
its a long time Nishtakcho
" we don't care what the reshab said"
Deletethe good news that the reshab doesn't care what this גישחטנע בהמה says either.
you will be long nishtacku (if you ever were at all) and the reshab will be here forever! so kido pay attention, it's not about you!
Schitah ,
ReplyDeleteEven the yayoiel moshe that says that Rambans shita that yishuv erets yisroel is a mitzvah is also for our days ,
But the pusik(not the Midrash) VaVadetem Meheiru MiAll HuUretz Hatoivu does not undo the mitzvah of living in Erets yisroel it only negates sovereignty
wrong, after yom kipur war, SR forbid to go and live in israel, and started asking some of his chasidum to leave wich they did. he even did a massa rav! his FIL buried in poland was in danger to be excavated, so he had to be removed, חז"ל אמרו, אין מפנין אלא לא"י but he gave several reasons why there would be worse. So if it is dangerous for the dead even, well we all gonna die, than of course it's double dangerous for the living.
DeleteThere were hundres of Jewish publications in pre war Europe and his only source is hapardes printed in U.S. very fishy
ReplyDeleteHoritzoa leshaker yarchik
I once saw a whole conversation between the lubavitcher rebbe andthe sadugerer rebbe where the rebbe shlugs up his טענות that shalosh shvuois is not nogea bizman hazeh. maybe you could find it and post it להגדיל תורה ולהאדירה
ReplyDeleteThe chabad shita against Zionism never brought down the gimmul shvuos.
ReplyDeleteThe mokor of the rebbe rashab was the Rambam (which is halacha, as apposed to medrash) about the order of the geulah
a new yovani twist.
Delete"The chabad shita against Zionism never brought down the gimmul shvuos."
Deletewrong batlan, the mershab talks broadly about it, unless he wasn't chabad, than you're rebbe is not בבחינת שבת and the rebbe of the רקיע השביעי
Can you please bring sources... I don't think there are...
DeleteChabad totally embraces today's zionism and proud of it
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ReplyDeleteשריי איך שוין לאנג מען דארף מבטל זיין די דריי וואכן, קרעכצן האט אויך א שיעור, שכוח פאר די רבנים סהאבן זיך גענומן דעריבער האפנטליך כזאל דערלעבן וועט עס אנקומן דא און מיין אומגענט, ני שוין וועל איך יעצט ענדיגן מיט אלעם גיטן אנפילן די ליידיגע קעפ אין ישראל דער פון אויבן, דער טאטע פלעגט אלטץ זאגן אמן סלה נאך א ברכה צו דער שווער גאר דענק איך שוין נישט
חד זעירא דמן חברייא סאנז סטריט said...
ReplyDeleteרמב"ם הל' מלכים פ"א ה"ה: ואין מעמידין אשה במלכות שנאמר עליך מלך ולא מלכה, וכן כל משימות שבישראל אין ממנים בהם אלא איש
Oi Vey
a Sands street boy falls in the trap of Zionism, you did not listen enough to the profound shiurim of Nussen Yossef, you were litening too much to Reb Moshe Yozefovitch.
you think the Triefe Medina is Yisroel,
its as gentile as the city hall in NYC....
im glad u realized it But ישראל ע"פ שחטא ישראל הוא וארץ ישראל הוקיע אותם וכל הנלווים אליה, ומחייבים בכל המצות התליים בה, ובהשלש שבועות, ואם לאו מכסכינים א"ע וכל העולם
Delete"בשו"ת אגרות משה חלק יו"ד (חלק ב' סימן מ"ה וז"ל: "ובכלל הרי מינוי כופרים ורשעים ודאי אינו כדין התורה כמפורש ברמב"ם פ"א ממלכים ה"ז וכל מי שאין בו יראת שמים אע"פ שחכמתו מרובה אין ממנין אותו למינוי מן המינויין שבישראל"!
ReplyDelete" so thats why we have to vote in chasishe yungeliet like Litzman eichler and Bnie torah as Gafni, so we should have less Kofrim
Gut Gezugt
you're so constipated nothing less of a lobotomi will do.
DeleteOf all the drivel being flung around by this character this one takes the prize: “if the rambam would live today and all other giants with him he would of without doubt "forbid any jew" to live in israel today! the most dangerous place spiritually and physicaly in the world! even with the 1000k of bt's”
ReplyDeleteYou see, living in your little derfel you simply have no idea what is going on in the world around you, especially regarding Eretz Yisroel. None of your rebbes derfelach compare to Eretz Yisroel. There is no place in the world like Eretz Yisroel neither spiritually nor physically. Go back to your little hole in the wall.
"There is no place in the world like Eretz Yisroel"
Deletethats why all gedolim begged us americans to save them from the israeli רשעים הארורים הרוצה לעקור את הכל
"this character this one takes the prize"
Deletecredit not me, credit the source. .
their was 100k yiden learning in poland with out pandering to מינים ואפיקורסים yet it perished, why? because העברת על השלש שבועות be scared very scared.
Deleteהעברת ע"פ ד' לא תצלח
if that hell hole called מדינה של גיהנם is so good than why you sitting not in a derfel but in the metropolis of city's please mr. anon Move closer to the upper deck titanic that's where the party is. .
Delete"Nussen Yossef"
ReplyDeleteהרה"ג וצדיק מוה"ר ר' נתן יוסף מייזעלס ז"ל הי' לומד חי שעות ביום רצופין מנעוריו עד זקנה ושיבה, הי' חסיד נלהב מדקדק בקלה כחמורה, הי' ריש מתיבתא תורה ויראה המבצר הגדול של תוי"ש בימיו, וע"כ הי' דולה ומשקה מתורתו של רבינו קוה"ק במדה גדושה, אשרי לו וחלקו בזה ובבא
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ReplyDelete"Nussen Yossef"
הרה"ג וצדיק מוה"ר ר' נתן יוסף מייזעלס ז"ל הי' לומד חי שעות ביום רצופין מנעוריו עד זקנה ושיבה, הי' חסיד נלהב מדקדק בקלה כחמורה, הי' ריש מתיבתא תורה ויראה המבצר הגדול של תוי"ש בימיו, וע"כ הי' דולה ומשקה מתורתו של רבינו קוה"ק במדה גדושה, אשרי לו וחלקו בזה ובבא
then Itzu follman learned 36 hours a day, stop the lies.. 18 hours a day, is almost the hours that rav elyazhev the masmid hadoir put in.
The small number of talmidai chachominm the bucherim factory of sands street produced,did not touch Nussen Yosef, he hated the good boys, ask the good bucherim like Mutzen etc.....
קטנם עבה ממתניך המרובים והמלאה
Delete"Mutzen"
Deletelol i knew mutzen good a learner yes, but he is tainted he belonged in BMG the factory of דעות כוזבות but in those days there were no BMG these days all that type cram BMG were they belong.
"The small number of talmidai chachominm"
Deletei read your comments for awhile, not once you quote any השקפה טהורה או חז"ל its all inuendos and deragatory demagoguery, and you call others am aharetzim? listen shut up, and stop exposing yourself. . no wonder no one hangs around here, and subjects himself to engage with your belly talk.
"Itzu follman"
DeleteI'm sure his offsprings made it to the academy of BMG
Hertz Frankel
ReplyDelete"thats why all gedolim begged us americans to save them from the israeli רשעים הארורים הרוצה לעקור את הכל"
who is asking?
Chaim Hershele and Duved shmidel......
"who is asking"
Deleteno the מועצגה"ת והרבי מגער בראש ואף רצה להפגן בוואשיגטאן i don't expect a hater like you tied with a umblical cord to the gedoli hakranim like ישראלטשע-מענדעלע-בערעלע to respect any ת"ח at all, so keep burping.
listen up גישחטנע בההמה or whstever your name is, I'll respond to your pukings anymore, i think you're due for a name change, rational shtinker. adios.
ReplyDeletehertz frankel said: "thats why all gedolim begged us americans to save them from the israeli רשעים הארורים הרוצה לעקור את הכל"
ReplyDeleteI guess you are following in the path of your moniker, telling tall tales. You’re simply so small minded that it’s difficult to argue. In any case, it’s comical that you call people haters when in fact you don’t stop spewing hate. Moreover, those people who are arguing with you are directing their detestation towards you and your leader, while you are spewing hatred towards most of klal Yisroel. Who is the real hater?
"Who is the real hater?"
Delete#1 You !
#2 meir kahana
#3 aj weberman
#4 hertzka moraless
these are your true rebbes, you never belonged to BMG or any other group,
and you are their talmud, spewing their hate your hate continuesly 24/7 you are an equal opportunity HATER! of all organised religions (as your rebbes call them) filling up landfills of GARBOLOGY .
A miracle on wall st. agudas israel of america headed by the noviminsker rebbe of brookln college, held a protest against the state of israel! on wall st. nusech satmar, and you are trying to minimize that miracle?
DeleteFogel
ReplyDelete"
lol i knew mutzen good a learner yes, but he is tainted he belonged in BMG the factory of דעות כוזבות but "
why did rabbi Joel Titelbaum eulogize Rav Aron Kotler for establishing a bastion of heresy???? was it a other act of Rebinie Sor Min Haderech????
r' aron kotler did not allow college and that's why the SR eulogized him correctly להגיד שבחו של אהרן שלא נשתנה
DeleteRAK had 150 married or old buchirim! in his kollel when he died, some bastion, at that time satmar had 600 real talmidai hayeshiva ages 16 to 19, and many 1000k more in cheder and girls school, SR fell ill in '68 and that time הותרה הרצועה and and BMG was a benevolent of it, like many other yeshivas .
לא נתמלאה צור אלא מחורבנה של ירושלים
"why did rabbi Joel Titelbaum eulogize Rav Aron Kotler"
Deleteגברא קטילא
you mean like 50 years ago right? before the war called ששת ימי אפילה just checking .
"was it a other act of Rebinie Sor Min Haderech????"
Deletewhat derech? starving אודים מוצלים מאש of hunger! ! importing the heresy of the אגודת המינים to the land of "in god we trust"? forbidding students in his kollel who wear identifiable jewish clothes ? denying his rebbe of kletzk SIL (rav turtz) entrance in his schools build by israeli and schnorred money. . learning torah לתלמדים שאינם מהוגנים ?
! טוב חללי חרב מחללי רעב
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"for establishing a bastion of heresy????"
Deleteno, for establishing a bum steer class, for those misfits in ehrlicha yeshivas (OTD's type A) , ליניק מהאוחריים, וד"ל
"no the מועצגה"ת והרבי מגער בראש ואף רצה להפגן בוואשיגטאן"
ReplyDeletewhy are you quoting this apikorsim that are holding back the geulah... they are worse then kook who was worse the Ben Gurion who was worse then Herzel who was worse the Hezus....
ווען מען דארף דעם גנב נעמט מען איהם אראפ פון די תלוי' זאגט מען
Deletebtw moran where is the quote ? no quote .
fogel
ReplyDelete" but he is tainted"
I see his chidushim Hohil Moshe on the sidrah........for years I just saw old fashioned toprah on the old fashioned sigeter style ..
your new fashioned brand! style torah not withstanding, in "all" your comments here and elsewhere never do you support any of your burpings with a genuine torah or hashkofa, its all inuendos and hate! and you complain about satmar or lubabs being am haretzim? ? does that make you a talmud cuchem by default ? grober ying you don't even know what you don't know, stop pestering the air.
Deleteyour new fashioned brand! style torah not withstanding, in "all" your comments here and elsewhere never do you support any of your burpings with a genuine torah or hashkofa, its all inuendos and hate! and you complain about satmar or lubabs being am haretzim? ? does that make you a talmud cuchem by default ? grober ying you don't even know what you don't know, stop pestering the air.
Deletehere carcass, this may be of belated help:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/03/why-you-shouldnt-blame-yourself-for-binge-eating/
the secret of a slaughtered calf be a Jerk, wow what a revelation :
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/06/why-it-pays-to-be-a-jerk/392066/
Tzig,
ReplyDeletethis kind of subject is your money shot.
Obviously , this kind of material gets a response, Just write about this subject 24/7, nothing else, and you'll be great.
Dont bother with other נערי'שע קלייני'קייטען
let me tell you something about this emotional un stable baby rebbe, he nebech grew up without parents, he is used to get what he wants if not he makes a tantrums, when he wants something he promises what ever. . But when ge gets it, he lets you know that he played you the fool. . he does this time and again since the first lolipop he got that way.
Delete
Deleteyou sunk to the MoraLess site, of machnivka vs. bilgiree is not your think.
"this kind of subject is your money shot"
Deletetzig, this guy has a 10 mile long rap sheet on "this kind of subject" and he says it's "your money shot"? dr. zhivago wouldn't dare it!
"Dont bother with other נערי'שע קלייני'קייטען"
ReplyDeletelike shach vs. lubabs, or edelstein vs. markowitz, or kotler vs. kotler
tzig,
ReplyDeletehow about writing what's up with so many karlsbach, desh, spinka rebbes! and no machllokus at all! isn't that something to celebrate? be positive tzigele.
Absolutely. very positive.
ReplyDeletepeace broke out between machnivka and bilgeree, he haw!
DeleteIf i may add my two cents my gotee, in my profession dr. sign off with an MD or whatever, politicians sign off by party affiliation, why not here to sign off your prof. like Garbologiest vs. Psyco.
ReplyDeletewe need a method to this madness, just a thought .
some of us getting very animated when the topic is weberman or stark nebech, maybe we should revisit it, and bring back the dead to life again, or the mBp issue, those issues seem to work in "the peanut gallery" when it went the other way of course.
ReplyDeletetoo bad I didn't study encryption
ReplyDeletecan't decipher the code that these comments are written in
פלא no 0ne complains, it's always you from the מתלוננים btw all yeshivah bucherem understand that goes to show ...
Deleteער מאכט זיך וויא א תם שטעכט וויא א מיעוד
Deleteמכריזין עליו תהי' תיפש או חכם וכו' ודי לחכימא ברמיזא
DeleteThis blog should be exhibit A that we Hareidim don't need secular studies
ReplyDeleteexhibit A should be what happened to yourself nebech, that you did study ספרי חיצונים וחכמת בני נכר, נוסח מתייוונים
Deletemeir who are you asking to bring sources?
ReplyDeleteI am asking the fellow that says the rashab spoke on the 3 oaths where this is... I have learned rhis quite a bit and even spoke to rav yithock brand.. I hav not seen this but i could be wrong... There are many bluffers and ??? Around the net...
ReplyDeleteכל כתבי מהרש"ב available to download :
Deletehttp://www.truetorahjews.org/hebrewbooks
DeleteDear Mr. Meir what's "your" bluff .
I also spoke to the צדיק rav shlom dov ber volpe who wrote on this subject...
ReplyDeleteReb Hertz, you have a ot of anger and hate, please seek help
ReplyDelete
Delete...אל זעם בכל יום
DeleteThere's method in his madness.
Delete? הצד השוה שבהם
הסובל ומעלים עין מסוררים
Deletewikipedia:
ReplyDeleteRabbi Shalom Dov Wolpo, also Sholom Ber Wolpe,[1] (שלום דוב וולפא, born 1948) is a rabbi and an Israeli political activist.
an israeli political activist, a TZADIG, that's a first.!
can't you guys be clear what you are referring to? If you are talking about the Belz-Bilgorajer, he had a mother.
ReplyDeletei had s mother too.
DeleteI am surprised that no one has refuted yidel Warters rationalizing the Satmers Rebbes unknown view about his opposition to the Israeli government is because of the unique mandate of Meshiach, and the the 3 oaths is only the source for the punishment for not waiting for Meshiach
ReplyDeleteאמר ר' יהושע אין משיבין את האר"י שמת
Delete..surp-seed likes his BS to be taken seriously . common guys.
Deleteyidele now instead of waiting for moshiach this wild oat seed is waiting for you!
DeleteI'm surprised really that "you" didnt know that!
DeleteThis link is 132 pages... If he talks about the 3 oaths , please be more specific , exactly where, mr frankel...
ReplyDelete132 pages long and about that old to,
Deleteit's on your topic! time to read it all, it's in there for sure. sorry my IT guys didn't show up today.
surprised
ReplyDeletewarter has a template that he pastes in every now and then,
multiple times he was refuted ,
like Meshalches Vecozeres he comes back and repeats the same nonsense
did you concocted some new rambams lately? all אמונות תפילומ, שקרים וכזבים are now being discussed at the "emes" site.
Deleteס'איז נישט אזוי פשוט ר' יוד שכון ארץ ורעה אמונה, פלעגט מען ביי אונז זאגען, ליגט אין די ערד אבער פאשע אמונה! פשוטער
Deleteדער אלטער לעכאוויטשער ז"ל פלעגט זאגען, אבדה אמונה נכרתה מפיהם, ס'איז פארלוירן גיווארן די אמונה, ווייל נכרתה מפיהם מ'רעדט מער נישט דערפון. פשוטער
The belzer rebbe mother ני lives with him in his palace in kiryat belz...
ReplyDeletefor starters for a woman u say ' תחי
Deleteand for a man נ"י
I agree with emunah peshuta. Walter haks a tchainik and makes a big cholent mixing up many issues that are not connected. Lets try to sort them out and add some logic overhere. Living in eretz yisroel and having a government run it for administrative purposes, does not constitute sovereignty at all. Sovereignty is defined through a malchus. Therefore there is no contradiction to the emuna of waiting for moshiach. Just like the heilige shtetel of kiryas yoel has a mayor and a police force , so may the jews if eretz yisroel run their affairs the same way. There was no transgression of the sholosh shvuos, since the land was not taken by force. Any land conquered subsequently was through a defensive war which is not just permitted according to halacha, but is actually a chiyuv gomur al pi torah. Chabad doesnt embrace zionism and holds that the sholosh shvuos still apply bizman hazeh . Its just not relevant to what is happening in iarael today because al pi torah you must defend the land and there is no arguing with shulchon oruch on that.
ReplyDeleteIf there is any statement of kefiro it comes from walter. The land of Israel was not given to the yidden conditionally. As per the first rashi in bereishis , hashem gave the land of israel to the yidden and it belongs to the yidden forever. May we merit the coming of moshiach and the true liberation of eretz yisroel right away.
nice boy you finished the first rashi, now keep going some surprises ahead. .
Delete"does not constitute sovereignty at all"
Deleteif it acts like a duck, walks like s duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck, and will get fried like a duck!
"does not constitute sovereignty at all."
Deleteאמר רבי חמא בר חנינא אין בן דוד בא עד שתכלה מלכות הזלה! מישראל שנאמר (ישעיהו יח) וכרת הזלזלים במזמרות
"Living in eretz yisroel and having a government run it for administrative purposes, does not constitute sovereignty at all. Sovereignty"
Deletetell that to the marines, the IDF, the U.N., or the JP conference where no BS applies .
"and add some logic overhere."
Deletewe deal with חוקים שאין רשות להרהר אחריה logic applies to the schools of the greek.
ReplyDelete..and about that watch you claim
1) i never borrowed your watch 2) i returned it to you long ago 3) it was broken to begin with, oh and if you need to know your mother is actually your dad. . and moshiach came and left without any notice, and the holocaust never happened and neither did you.
ps: and rabba yiscah smith is actually rabbi yakov smut. or vis versa.
אמר ר' יהודה הלוי ב"ר שלום: ביקש משה שתהא אף המשנה בכתב, וצפה הקב"ה על שעתידין אומות העולם לתרגם את התורה ולקרות אותה יוונית, והן אומרין: "אף אנו ישראל", א"ל הקב"ה "אכתוב לך רובי תורתי" (הושע ח', יב) ואם כן "כמו זר נחשבו" (שם), וכל כך למה? אלא שהמשנה מסטורן שלו של הקב"ה, ואין הקב"ה מגלה מסטורן שלו אלא לצדיקים, שנאמר, סוד ה' ליראיו
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התורת אמת שלך הוא תורת לאקשן, ואין אתה בני סוד ד' בכלל ואין מושיבין לתינוקת
hirshel i think the macadamian nut lost some of his nislech. . around here.
ReplyDeleteDear Toras...
ReplyDeleteWhile Codifiing in Hilchas Meluchim (not hilchas shabbos ) the classic words " Ein Bein" To define the transition from
Jewish Pre-Sovereignty into Jewish Sovereignty the Rambam uses the status of "Shibud Malchius",which a municipality is, and the HertzelShtat is not,
Chabad is a paid entity to promote Herzl’sim therefore by the Crown heights riots No one even mentioned the hilchas shabbos motto for saving lives ,organized protection or defense if permitted by NYC would have been more logical from a Torah perspective than to promote an independent government without Mesihach establishing it, but lubawitch is doing propaganda for pay not saving lives for free, that's why they are not saving lives by joining the army of defense but the army of propaganda, endorsing, encouraging, helping,sponsoring, stimulateing, upholding,supporting, cheering,inspiring, boosting,furthering Herzl’sim, that's why the are call sifted as Non- Waiters which the Rambam calls Apikoirsim
thanks for your clarification.
Deletetoras emes
ReplyDelete"heilige shtetel of kiryas yoel has a mayor and a police force "
this is not the consensus in satmar any more
Lately a einikel of Rav Shmuel Vozner, a rav in Aroni satmar, reinvented the shitah, that it applies even for shomrim,
He is original not part of satmar culture, wears a zionist hat,former Belzer, thinks like a nebech that everything is taken literally, produced a moronic teshuva that the 3 oath's prohibits even a shemira force, may be a body guard is also prohibited
"reinvented the shitah"
Deleteand you geller adhering to the original one only?
"moronic teshuva"
Deletemoranic was rm"p teshuva on artificial insemination which after id did un measurable harm he retracted it!
rsbbi wosners teshuva won't do harm.
Der badchan you are right on. The aharoini rov in london is completely off his rockers. He banned it based on hisgarus baumois , despite that they work hand in hand with londons police department. The only person that was offended, was some nazi who threatened a march. If I was to worry what that nazi may think, I could close down hatzolo and their whole school system, because he is against everything. The police didn't even allow that nazi to march in stamford hill, yet the aharoini rov sided with the nazi instead of the government. This is a new stretch to the meaning of hisgarus. Ironically, a few days later shomrim broke up a robbery in a jewish home only minutes from rabbi wosners house. Go figure. As to yosel , your stupidity of chabad being paid promoters of herzel is so outrageous, that it doesn't warrant a response.
ReplyDeleteAnd to mecina alef, מה ענין שמיטה אצל הר סיני?
Typical satmar obfuscation of the facts. And now some historical data for satmar. Every satmar rebbe including diverei yoel z"l made use of the zionist police force to protect them upon their visits. The zionist police were not there of their own accord, but rather through a very active coordination with the zionist police force. This is evident in all the pictures going back to the arrival of the diverei yoel z"l to the port of haifa. Maybe we can ask tzig to produce some pictures and memoirs trom those days. It could be that if rabbi wosner of london was around in those days, he would have banned their assistance. Who knows.
please express your anger to dear abbey, you may actually get printed.
Deletebtw there were physical threats against SR not to come to israel, so the American gov. issued him a "diplomatic passport" with all the protection that comes with it! the israelis where miffed, and they showed to the world how they protect even an adversary, hence they gave him the full course hokus pokus toghether with white horses.
"The aharoini rov in london is completely off his rockers"
Deleteוז"ל של הרב צבי הערש פערבער ז"ל אב"ד לאנדאן, מתלמידי סלאבאטקא וקאוונא. והוא לא הי' בעדת ר' אהרן ט"ב שליט"א.
בא"ד: ..ובכל יום אורחים, שרים וסגנים מהארץ והכל סוחטים הכל אומרים, מעות צור ישועתי! והכסף מטהר ויענה את הכל והציונות הוא כמו אמונה חדשה, ועל הכלל כולו יצאה, והרבנים והצדיקים יראים לפצות פה והטובים שבהם מסכימים על ויתורים ופשרות בדת והבלבול והערבוב נורא ואיום, והנה איסור כלאים יותר חמור מאיסור נו"ט ובשר חזיר שבטלים בששים וכלאים רק במאתיים . ע"כ
כנראה כך דרכו של רבני לאנדאן להכות על קודקדם של הפרומע ציונים למיניהם, באיזה סיבה שיהי'!.. והרב וואזנער שליט"א הולך בעקביהם.
חיד"ת תשט"ז וישב ס"ג חנוכה ממהרי"ט ז"ל
ReplyDeleteוזלש"ק בא"ד: ... איך הי' יכול יוסף להיות מלך כ"ז שהי' אלופי עשו קיימים שכן כ' ואלה המלכים שמלכו באדום לפני מלך מלך לבנ"י... א"כ איך מלך יוסף? אבל איתא שזה דוקא במלך על ישראל אבל יוסף הי' מלך על מצריים וישראל הי' רק בתוכם בגלות מצריים, ובזה אין שייך לומר לפני מלך לבנ"י.ע"כ
ובליל ד' בחנוכה האריך עוד מזה... וגם לא הי' רק שני למלך שעיקר המלוכה הי' שייך לפרעה (וזה) אינו בכלל מלוכה ... וכמו שמשרע"ה הי' מלך לכוש מ' שנה דזה אינו בכלל מלכות ישראל ומותר. עיי" ש כי קצרתי.
ReplyDeleteהרב"י מסאטמאר אוסר באיסורי חמורים להשתתף להבחירות הלאומי דשם. אבל הבחירות הערי' כמו "מאיער" וכדומה מעולם לא אסרו אותה, ואמר שכ"א יעשה כמו שרבו הורה, וזה אף בא"י
reb nuta
ReplyDeleteI like the satmarer argument that there was no din melech, but if you or he want to apply it to modern israel,then you are wasting your time.
Who is claiming there is a malchus yisroel today
is Rivlin a king? is Bibi a king?
Did moshe Katzav not get arrested? is Ulmert not in prison? did the ever touch a king????
they are roshie kehila and the keneseth are 7 tvie hoir.... their are bums there and good people as it was in all Jewish communities in the diaspora....
as someone said before you're constipated and nofhing less than a lobotomi will do, don't botter reb nuta until after asher yutzar.
Delete"Who is claiming there is a malchus yisroel today"
Deleteאמר רב ששת חוצפא מלכותא בלא תגא הוא
רמב"ם: וכן כל משימות שבישראל! , אמת סאיז קיין מלוכה, ועליהם אתמר וכל הרשעה ... כי תעבור ממשלת זדון! מן הארץ, אין דערנאך וועט דער ותמלוך! אתה ד'. אין בן דוד בא עד שתכלה מלכות "הזלה" בישראל עליהם נאמר
Deleteרמב"ם הל' מלכים פ"א ה"ה: ואין מעמידין אשה במלכות שנאמר עליך מלך ולא מלכה, וכן כל משימות שבישראל אין ממנים בהם אלא איש
בשו"ת אגרות משה חלק יו"ד (חלק ב' סימן מ"ה וז"ל: "ובכלל הרי מינוי כופרים ורשעים ודאי אינו כדין התורה כמפורש ברמב"ם פ"א ממלכים ה"ז וכל מי שאין בו יראת שמים אע"פ שחכמתו מרובה אין ממנין אותו למינוי מן המינויין שבישראל
chaim yankel, nice try sorry like yourself just another ביאה ריקנית irrelevant .
DeleteAnonymous דער ליימינער גולם said...
ReplyDeleteהרב"י מסאטמאר אוסר באיסורי חמורים להשתתף להבחירות הלאומי דשם. אבל הבחירות הערי' כמו "מאיער" וכדומה מעולם לא אסרו אותה, ואמר שכ"א יעשה כמו שרבו הורה, וזה אף בא"י
are you sure he said that people should do like the Rebbes,
this rebbes are all Achov Nvie Habaal....
no Rebbes existed in his view....
א הארבע געלע קשיא
Deleteרב לאנדא רב וואזנער בריסקער רב חזו"א ועוד, רביס מאן דכר שמיה, מוזט נישט ארויס ווייזען דיין פארביטערט האס אין טפשות אויפאמאל
Deletereb nuta
ReplyDeleteyou are correct
the lechevicher said that
how do you know that he is correct that he did say that? doesn't that statement render you as a lier c"v
Deleteהירשל טייערער, דאס ווארט געלע דעאמאנט מיך פון די געלע לאטע איך פלעג טראגן נישט יעטץ גידאכט, און פון די געלע פרעסע וואס האט אויפגיפרעסן קיעוו, ביטע פראבירט ביי די געלע חברה זיך צו פארענדערען די געלע נעמען
ReplyDeleteא גרינער
ReplyDeleteder geller: rav wosner "reinvented the shitah"
בירור הלכה ממהרי"ט ז"ל על המושגים קידה"ש וחה"ש שהי' נדפס בהמאור דאז.
זלש"ק בא"ד ... יש לי הרבה ראיות ומקורות להביא ע"ז, מצוה על כל יחיד ורבים להפגין ולהתריע באיזה אופן שיכול ולעשות כל מה שביכלתו, למען כבוד השי"ת המחולל על ידיהם, ויש להגיב בכל עת ובכל שעה ובכל מקום, לעזור לנו במחלתנו נגד המסיתים והמדיחים מאות אלפי ישראל בכל מיני שמד וכפי' אחרי שאין מוצא ואופן אחר. ע"כ
אי הכי שפיר עביד הרב וואזנער שהפגין והתריע בחוצות ורחובות של עיר רבתי בגויים, שיש מושג כזה של התגרות באומת, ושל גלות בין הנקראים יהודים ושל הג' שבועות! אשרי לו וחלקו
I just read 141 comments and I am a little dizzy. The discussion is going up to the har habayis. Somehow the bilgoraj - machnovke tempest in a teapot poked itself in. Reb Moshe Feinstein volunteered for some small bizyonos and we are still waiting to see if the Rashab does or does not care about some promises and such like. This reads like Alice in WOnderland, which is not entirely a compliment.
ReplyDeleteOn a related note: Does anyone have an authentic recipe for Pshevorsker Kugel? I am desperate for one.
for reading all these comments you deserve a glass of schnaps with the kugel go for it lchaim
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Delete"The discussion is going up to the har habayis"
Delete.ביאה ריקנית
"Reb Moshe Feinstein volunteered for some small bizyonos "
Deletewhat happened? he didn't kiss his honor shazer ym"s on his face, with a caption on the photo כל העולה לגדולה מוחלין לו כל עוונותיו
all rm"f did was quote a rambam, will the rambam give you now bizyonos too.
Pinchas Eluzer
ReplyDelete"
זלש"ק בא"ד ... יש לי הרבה ראיות ומקורות להביא ע"ז, מצוה על כל יחיד ורבים להפגין ולהתריע באיזה אופן שיכול ולעשות כל מה שביכלתו, למען כבוד השי"ת המחולל על ידיהם, ויש להגיב בכל עת ובכל שעה ובכל מקום, לעזור לנו במחלתנו נגד המסיתים והמדיחים מאות אלפי ישראל בכל מיני שמד וכפי' אחרי שאין מוצא ואופן אחר. ע"כ
the Maharit is saying you have to be moche on the shmad that is going on in Israel..
where do you see about the 3 oaths that the londoner rav wozner was moche, Please dont Fardrie Yotztois
"Please dont Fardrie Yotztois"
ReplyDeleteיש ליישב בדוחק, כמו היוצרות דשלש רגלים כשחל בשבת אומרים זו היום והאחרת מחר, אף כאן המחאה שהיתה ע"י רב וואזנער צריכה לשנות השם שלה אבל המחאה בעצם היה טוב ויפה ומעז יצא המתוק ושלום על ישראל
"but if you or he want to apply it to modern israel,then you are wasting your time."
ReplyDeletechaim yankel you're waisted, there is a 1000 + 1 reasons why this state is heresy, if you think one doesn't apply move on to the next, i am sure one is written in brill that even the blind will understand .
הפך בה הפך בה דכולה בה
ReplyDeleteהחסרי דעת רוצים להוכיח כי מפני מדינת ישראל אין לו דין מלוכה בדיני מלכות ישראל, והוא רק אומה ישראלית הנקרא נעיש"ן בלשונם והציונים הם רק אדוק בנאצינאליזם שלהם כמו האומת העולם, ואף שזה אין נפק"מ להלכה היכן הם רוצים להקראם, מ"מ ראיתי לנכון לציין פה דברי המהרש"א סוטה מ"א בא"ד
... ונראה מהידוע כי אומה הישראלית נאמר בה למשפחותם לבית אבותם משפחת אב קרוי' משפחה ולא משפחת אם ... והשתא ניחא דכל "לאומים" נאצינאליזם בלע"ז ע"ש עכו"ם נאמר שנקרא כן ע"ש שאין להם יחוס אב רק יחוס אם! ופי' הכתוב ושני לאומים, דהשתא בבטן אמם, שגם יעקב נקרא ע" ש אמו, ממעיך יפרדו, דהיינו מיד שיצאו ממעיך יפרדו, דזה יעקב יקרא אז ע"ש משפחת אביו, וזה עשו יקרא גם אח"כ ע"ש אמו, לאומים! עכ"ל.
פירושים יותרים.
וזל" ש במכתב של הרב חיים לייב זאקס ז"ל רב בכמה ערי ישראל, ובאחרונה בקליוולאנד ובכפר חב"ד.
בא"ד ... מה נאמר על אלו המינים והכופרים ... עליהם יאמר הם קנאוני בלא אל -- ואני אקניאם בלי עם, שאינם נחשבים כלל לעם. האם לזאת מלכות תקרא, סוף דבר אין מלכות למינים. ואין להם דיני דמלכותא, וכן הורו מורי הוראה הלכה למעשה בתחילת ימי ממשלתם. ע"כ.
סוף דבר אין להם דיני דמלכותא, ולא דיני לאומיות, דינם כחומסים גזלנים רוצחים, טעראריזם בלע"ז
"where do you see about the 3 oaths that the londoner rav wozner was moche, "
ReplyDeleteעיין ספה"ק ויואל משה, מאמר שלש שבועות, שנאמרו בנביאות
ReplyDeleteהאבי אבות הטמאה הוא הציונות ושרשו ההעברה בהג' שבועות שכן עונשו מפורש בחז"ל "אני מתיר את בשרכם כצ' וכאילות השדה" רח"ל, ושכן הי' הש"י. אולם לא שייך להסביר אותה לאוה"ע כמובן (שהם הגויים יבנו מזה שמצוה הוא.. לאבדם רח"ל) אבל הגזירות נוראות שהם גוזרים עלינו, וגם הענין של התגרות באומות הם מבינים ומצוה הוא להודיע צערינו ברבים כמו שעשה רבן יוחנן בן זכאי נגד הבריונים. וכמו יהודי אונגארן שפנו בלי היסוס למלכות דשם להציל אותם מיד המתבוללים , וכמו שעשה העדה החרדית (וגם האגודה השתתפו עמם) שפנו לשלטון הענגלענדער בצר להם מהציונים המציקים להם, ושהי' בעזרתם אז, ואולי גם עכשיו הש"י יעזור
video of sakmar ruv using
ReplyDeleteZionist airport
Zionist roads
Zionist police
etcetera
let the krimer logice come forth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWUbAMPuuHk
Chartered Train Carries Satmarer Rebbe from Haifa Port to Jerusalem
ReplyDeleteJuly 14, 1959
HAIFA (Jul. 13)
A chartered seven-coach train left today for Jerusalem carrying Rabbi Joel Teiteibaum, the Satmarer Rebbe, and hundreds of his followers. A gigantic welcome awaits the Chassidic rabbi from the Neturei Karta, the ultra-orthodox zealots who consider the Rebbe as their leader.
Rabbi Teiteibaum arrived last night on a Turkish vessel and was greeted by nearly , 000 followers who were permitted into the port area, and by thousands more who awaited him outside the port gates. Guards of police and Chassidic youth struggled to enable Rabbi Teitelbaum to reach his car which took him to the nearby quarter of Kiryat Eliahu where he spent the night.
Special tickets for the train to Jerusalem were printed by the sect because standard tickets bear Israel’s insignia and the Neturei Karta does not recognize Israel.
Mesirah is ok by Satmar
ReplyDeleteIsrael Chief Rabbi Denounces Picketing of White House by Orthodox Sect
July 2, 1958
JERUSALEM (Jul. 1)
The picketing of the White House by followers of the Satmar Rebbe in protest against the mixed-bathing swimming pool in Jerusalem was denounced today by Israel’s Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhah Nissim.
In a letter to Rebbe Yoel Tetelbaum, Brooklyn leader of the sect, Chief Rabbi Nissim called the picketing a “measure entirely alien and contradictory to the spirit of Judaism.” Rabbi Nissim added that “there is not the slightest doubt this went beyond what is proper and permissible.” “Religious Jewry is always happy to receive aid from the Diaspora but pleadings to and involvement of non-Jews in such internal Issues were never sanctioned even in the most extreme instances,” the Chief Rabbi declared.
While describing the construction of the pool as a “grave breach in the walls of modesty which have always characterized the Jerusalem populace,” “he warned against methods of protest which were both “questionable and harmful” in any effort to preserve the Holy City’s aspects. He also expressed sorrow over threats of excommunication of the Satmar Rebbe which have been made in the dispute, saying “this weapon should not be employed in our times.”
Shalye
ReplyDelete"btw there were physical threats against SR not to come to israel, so the American gov. issued him a "diplomatic passport" with all the protection that comes with it! the israelis where miffed, and they showed to the world how they protect even an adversary, hence they gave him the full course hokus pokus toghether with white horses."
is this lie in 1 of gelbmans 15 books?
you heard the first time from me, bank on it.
Deleteben gurion ym"s announced he comes here snd talks on us, we will not let him come here again, SR answered i wasn't gonna come here again ( so no offense) But when moshiach comes we will not let him come here.
btw, for those dumb heads around here, The chief of police came over to his residence after the kabulas punim, and SR thanked him personally . (chew on this)
...the americans offered him full diplomatic protection the israelis got hurt by it, the told the americans we will protect him fully and they did on the americans request .
Deletethere is a printed story before he left to israel he went menachm uvel someone in the east side after midnight, the man asked him why he came so late, and he answered i was told not to go outside daytime. .
also at that time he gave a speech in bnei brak and in middle of the speech he pointed on his chest and said even ill be shot at! I'll not devise my opinions .
... I'll add one more thing, one time he said my name יואל הוא ר"ת י' לי ולא אירא! ף
Delete"כנראה כך דרכו של רבני לאנדאן להכות על קודקדם של הפרומע ציונים למיניהם, באיזה סיבה שיהי'!.. והרב וואזנער שליט"א הולך בעקביהם."
ReplyDeleterav vozner had noting with zionists,
it is simple a security by satmarer yinglech in London
קוצץ, תול קורה מבין ענייך
DeleteAnonymous JJJ said...
ReplyDeletevideo of sakmar ruv using
Zionist airport
Zionist roads
Zionist police
etcetera
lately I heard from a person who lived in Jerusalem a block away from Rechov Yoel where the motorcade stopped.
He was there to see the big pomp and circus that satmar produced, no different then when the Zali rebbe arrived there 2 years ago.
He remembers satmar rebbe waving thank you for the police on the horses. he saw it with his own eyes.
לץ הרב ניסין שלח מכתב לרבי"ט שרצה להחרים אותו וגם מימון המזרחיסט פער פיו כזה, רב"י לא ניחה לי' בזה ושלח שני מכובדים לרא"ק לערבב בהענין, והוא אמר להם שהי' טרחה יתירה לבא להם מפני שזה לא תהי' מעולם. וזה להגיד שבחו של רא"ק
ReplyDeleteHey hertz frankel... You are a מגלה פנים בתורה... The rashab never said what you quoted above... A בושה to satmar who are very honest people as compared to ציונים דתים who are always מגלה פנים...
ReplyDeleteהרוצה לשקר ירחק עדתו...for you hertz
ReplyDeleteIt is clear that hertz frankel is just a total ignoramus. I think that tzig should start screening comments here, because some of the satmar defenders are just total kooks with a very low iq.
ReplyDeleteTo the person saying that I hate satmar, that is not true. I like them a lot and many of them do very good things. I am just pointing out how their shito is inconsistent and hypocritical. So in order to defend themselves from being exposed of such blatant hypocrisy, they decide to reinvent history. The story with satmar rebbe traveling on a diplomatic passport to protect him is pure fiction. If there was a threat to satmar rebbe coming from the shabak they could have denied him entry into israel altogether. His chassidim coordinated with the zionist police from his very first visit to haifa and every other visit subsequently. Not only did he receive an escort, but so did the beirach moshe with no threat to his life, and so did his 2 sons. Stop rewriting history.
Another inconsistency is voting in the national election is mamesh bibchinas yehoreg veal yaavoir and in the same category as avoido zoro rachmono litzlan, but voting in municipal elections is kosher. Why such a disparity? The power of the municipality comes directly from the National government, and your chareidi mayor from beit shemesh is just as beholden to the national government as a memberof knesset. But they allow it because it serves their personal interests. This is blatant hipocrisy!
As for hisgarus baumos, I dont know how someone can defend wosner from london's position. Who are the umos? The british goverment approves it and so do the London police. How about all the hisgarus baumos from kj to its neighboing towns? I guess hisgarus baumos is a loose term that you can use when it suits you. One aharoini askon wrote an op-ed that frume yidden should not vote in the referendum against casinos on the catskills because it would constitute hisgarus baumos. I think it talks for itself.
"kooks with a very low iq. "
Deletehirshel, 1) kook had a low id?
2) he is a racist for implying people with
low iq are not worthy of comments doesn't he know לא בכח לא בחיל כי אם ברוחיברוחי. .? this should of been screenrd to for insulting a humans intelligence.
"The story with satmar rebbe traveling on a diplomatic passport to protect him is pure fiction. "
Deletedo you have proof its fiction? typical he said she said, case dismissed, Next.
imagine... this is after screening comments!
ReplyDeletemr. tzig i would offer if you want to outsource the screening and fact checking, I'm experienced and reliable לפני כל חנף לא יבואו
Delete"imagine... this is after screening comments!"
ReplyDeletehershel, you just did it again, did you screen and fact check this toras lokshen a chuck-full-of-nuts.
שלח לי באישי...
ReplyDeleteהשעיר לעזאזל נשלח באישי
DeleteThe ReShab I quoted is in kunters uMayen
ReplyDeleteברוך א מחיה מתים
Deletewe protest against those who call or imply that rabbi hertz frankel is lying .
ReplyDeleteplease post.
agudat/mizrachi of america
wolfsky said: "The belzer rebbe mother ני lives with him in his palace in kiryat belz..."
ReplyDeleteאגריפז המלך צדיק הי' אלא שלא הי׳ ראוי למלכות מצד אמו, ועל שהחניפו לו ישראל! תנא בסוטה מ״א משמי׳ דרבי נתן באותה שעה נתחייבו שונאי ישראל כליי׳ -ח"ו
על שהחניפו לו
חסידי בעלז, ירושלים. כתובת: ירושלים, אגריפס 165
ReplyDeleteתורת מת אמר:
"Stop rewriting history."
stop defecating in public! it is well documented that the zionim are murderers hence they killed Yaakov Yisrael Dehan הי"ד among others for opposing them politicaly! . (tzig factcheck it)
SR mentioned many times that there was many credible threats against him and others! that prompted him to say י' ו' א'ל' ר"ת י' לי ולא אירא do you 'historian' think that the #1 enemy of their state who is despised by 99% of them got a kings welcome, why? because the eida hacredis wanted it! yes the eida was part of the organisers so what? ( they wanted him to stay there, he was the Rav there) you don't like it? lick it* . but the initative came as a security detail for this controversial leader with an american diplomatic passport, from the US Gov. you have no clue on the intense heat on him those days, pro and con, there was no possibility to deny him entry. about the birech moshe z"l and his travel itinary idk much about, but all this dust noise you make is typical obfuscation of the facts surronding this issue called satmar fresh כמסירתו מסיני even 50 years afterwards, your emotional tantrums not withstanding .
הרה"ג ר' אליקים שלעזינגער ר"מ בלאנדאן כותב: בא"ד..כשהאדמו"ר זצ"ל השתדל שיקימו שכונות של חסידי סאטמאר בירושלים ובבני ברק, לחצו עלי כמה קנאים מכאן שאעורר אצלו שאולי יש בזה משום סיוע בבנין המדיני, בעל כרחי נענתי להם ושאלתי, וענה לי שאי אפשר להתחשב תמיד בדעת אלה שמכריעים ע"פ הרגשה ולא לפי הלכה, אין חהתקוטט עמם אבל גם אי אפשר להתחשב עמם. ע"כ.
you to, get off your emotional pitty pot.
BTW mecina one yingele, it is well documented the upheaval the SR had with the eida regarding the municipality elections that the eida lumped it toghether with the national elections but SR didn't, and I'll not be a teacher to this hard headed ignaramus chuck-full-of hate, and saturated fat.
* עיין ליקוטי תורה מר' מאטעלע טשערנאבלער זצ"ל הטעם שצדיקים נוסעים בקול רעש אדיר וחזק ואכמ"ל
מען זאגט נאך פונם הייליגן ר"ר בער ז"ל אז ער האט מבטיח גיווען אז "יד החסידים תהיה על העליונה" איך הדל בין מבטיח אז יד שיטות סאטמאר תהיה על העליונה, פארוואס ווייל די שיטה הקדושה שדשים בה כבר רבים איז פארשריבן קלאר אין דייטליך וממקום קדוש יהלך, ס'איז א מהלך בין העומדים, קיינער פון זיין דור ( בן גילו , אזוי צוזאגן) האט איהם נישט אפגיווענט. פארטי סלאגענס אין חתי"ק על הא והדא פון גדולים אנ בירור הלכות על כל פרט ופרט, איז א צייכען פון קאפאטאלירן און נצחם בטענות
ReplyDeleteס'איז כדי צו פארצייכענן מ'האט גיפרעגט דעם רבי"ן היתכן די צד שכנגד האט נישט גיענטפערט אויף זיין ספר? האט ער צו גיצייכנט א מדרש רבה פ' קרח: ..כל הדברים האלו פייס משה לקרח ואין את מוצא שהשיבו דבר, לפי שהיה פקח ברשעו אמר אם אני משיבו יודע אני בו שהוא חכם גדול ועכשיו יקפחני בדבריו ואני מתרצה לו בע"כ, מוטב שלא אזקק לו, כשראה משה שאין בו תועלת פירש הימנו. ע"כ, פירושים יותרים
The Big Lie
ReplyDeleteAll this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
please present your thesis on the big lie to the office of what's his nane ?
Deleteyale-new haven
please present your thesis on the big lie to the office of what's his nane ?
Deleteyale-new haven
psycology mumbo jumbo or any other חכמות או טפשות חיצונית are not spoken here, מאמא לשון only, thank you for trying.
Delete"a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
DeleteIn conclusion: It takes one to know one. and than you're the one, than why look for one.
United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile
ReplyDeleteHis primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
תורת מת אמר:
ReplyDelete"Stop rewriting history."
stop defecating in public! it is well documented that the zionim are murderers hence they killed Yaakov Yisrael Dehan הי"ד among others for opposing them politicaly! . (tzig factcheck it)
Satmar chasidim were on the verge of killing a Satmarer that went to Lubavich.
Whats your argument? if you people do the same, you disagree with someone ideologically u beat him to death...
the zionist were doing satmar tactics.
תורת מת אמר:
ReplyDelete"Stop rewriting history."
stop defecating in public! it is well documented that the zionim are murderers hence they killed Yaakov Yisrael Dehan הי"ד among others for opposing them politicaly! . (tzig factcheck it)
"I heard from good sources that Deehaan was killed by the vaad Mismeres Hatzenius, they got a hold of his( Nevule)letters to europe. after the killed him they blamed the zionist...
Stop rewriting History
ReplyDelete"SR mentioned many times that there was many credible threats against him and others! "
I think he got into hysterics that someone is out to kill him, based on his own paranoia...or he wanted to instigate the masses to his shitah, which he believed is the 14th Ani Mamin.
after 60 years there is no solid proof for such a attempt, (based on some Satmrer chasidim that did research)
"after 60 years there is no solid proof"
Deletethe proof is in the pudding, eat up
"His primary rules were. ."
ReplyDeleteYou forgot to mention and he was a mass murderer, oh but it didn't apply to your character, in fact it matches perfect to the opposing character assailant .
Stop rewriting History
ReplyDelete"הרה"ג ר' אליקים שלעזינגער ר"מ בלאנדאן כותב: בא"ד..כשהאדמו"ר זצ"ל השתדל שיקימו שכונות של חסידי סאטמאר בירושלים ובבני ברק, לחצו עלי כמה קנאים מכאן שאעורר אצלו שאולי יש בזה משום סיוע בבנין המדיני, בעל כרחי נענתי להם ושאלתי, וענה לי שאי אפשר להתחשב תמיד בדעת אלה שמכריעים ע"פ הרגשה ולא לפי הלכה, אין חהתקוטט עמם אבל גם אי אפשר להתחשב עמם. ע"כ."
half of Satmar believes that Rav Shlezinger is a congenital liar, so I will take there side that this story as all other stories are fabricated.
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your expeessed right is noted.
Delete"so I will take there side that this story "
Deletecotton head, its not a story its a written letter by himself, the talmyd mivhuk of brusk, the core of emes. I'll opt for him rather than this shmadel.
its printed in asifas direi yoel