"ער איז נישט פון אונזערע"
It seems like Chabad sites are not the only ones who got it over the head for not covering Rav Koppelman's passing. Pappenheim from Toldos Aron is cute when he attacks. I was planning on writing, believe me, but then the attacks starting coming, so I decided to pass. That, despite not having much to say. I mean, I knew some bachurim who learned there, and I used to see him in Yagdil Torah Gerrer shtiebel sometimes, but that was it. Now, when I saw this story, I was somewhat relieved. I'm sure "Shea" would never complain about the Israeli Yated's lack of coverage; after all, it was the newspaper started by the Holy Steipler, a paper for true B'nei Torah that have and need Hashkofoh T'Hoyroh. But a website started by a businessman with time on his hands - that has to be condemned. Then, while browsing the Kikar HaShabbat website, I came across a comment That made mention of the fact that the Rosh Yeshivah was helped by Lubavitcher Chassidim while in Samarkand during WW2. Of course they were condemned for "sticking their nose in," and that "RYDK never, ever mentioned Chabad when I was in Yeshivah there, and he was a pure Litvak who davened Ashkenaz, so you Lubabs are a bunch of liars..." So you see? Chabad isn't worthy of having anything to do or anything good to say about the Z'kan Roshei Yeshivos. They may not have any connection to him whatsoever! We never can win, I guess.
I believe I saw something about being "banished to Siberia for 5 years" in one of the obituaries, and how he has mesiras nefesh while in Siberia. I'm not sure about this, but I'd be willing to bet at least 5 whole American dollars that his talmidim confused Samarkand with Siberia, and that he was there in Samarkand just like hundreds and thousands of other Yidden. This was no slave-labor deal like in Siberia to which Yidden were sent for "anti-Revolutionary activities." But the legend has already been born and sprouted wings, so there's no turning back. It goes to show you that people are generally clueless about things that don't involve them, whether Lubavitch or otherwise.
I could be wrong.
The link to Kikar HaSabos is gone and excuse me for saying this but I know next to nothing about Rav K's politics and it's difficult to make heads or tails of what you're saying.
ReplyDeletewhat is the truth, why is he ignored in the Yated.
ReplyDeletePapenhiems theories that it has to do with his anti Zionisim view is nonsense. The Yated believes that they are the most right wing possible. I believe that they will get some Lachatz Tziburi, and they will make a nice Mussaf Leshabat.
I like Papenhiem demagoguery, he has a certain flair,my gut feeling is, that he will change on a flip of a coin, if the Masrad Hadotat will hire. He reminds me of Meshi Zahav.
ReplyDeleteFirst time I saw quoting RSR Hirsch with the title Hagoan Hakodesh,
Rav Koppelman was most probably in Samarkand.Maybe he was initially in Siberia.Actually, less people died in Siberia than in the hot eastern parts of the Russian Empire because disease was rampant in the heat.
ReplyDeleteMy frustration at Lubavitch inc. was their be so sidelined,YET, at the same time claiming to be Nosi Hador.
Let me explain:There has not been in recent (and not for a loooong time)a phenomenon of a live and kicking rosh yeshiva at 106 years old!!!!!!
Rav Koppelman was clear till his recent illness (maybe even till the end.Rav Shlezinger,I believe mentioned his words in a kinnus talmidim a week before his petirah in London iirc)
He had thousands of talmidim who loved,and very greatly respected him.Interestingly enough most of his talmidim were Chasidim.This timer of relationship is very unusual and points to how unique he was.
The gemureh relates that Rav Yochunun (iirc) would respect elderly "areilim" because of how much they had seen and been thru in their life.How much of a kol shekein of one of the last remaining chains in our pre war alteh heim mesoireh, a talmid muvhok of R'Shimon Shkop!!!
When the same anonymous poster of Williamsburg-now-Lubavitch backround (quite a winning combo)called him disrespectfully "an old man" I lost it.It brought up the old problems with Chabads lack of respect for any other kreiz.This guy , though he comes from a normal Heimishe backround has managed to pick up this less than agreeable trait the Lubavitch has.
So while the whole frim world was be'achdus over the terrible loss,the Chabad sites in Hebrew such as COL and Shturem were busy with "important" issues like the shliach in hotzenplotz who opened up a kosher hotel, or another mention of Chabad in the goyishe media.
Do you get, why we, the frim oylem are so frustrated?
"frim world was BeAchdus?" puh-leez.
ReplyDeleteShea
ReplyDelete"here has not been in recent (and not for a loooong time)a phenomenon of a live and kicking rosh yeshiva at 106 years old!!!!!!"
is this a guiness world record game, or you are discussing a Godel?
RE, Nosi Hador
You think that Rav Eliyashev is not the Posek hador because he is considered a Apikores in Willi, KJ and Brisk?
Reb Shmuel Razovsky torah is being thought in Lubavicher yeshivahs even if he was not 106 and not mentioned on COL by his petirah.
"frim world was BeAchdus?" puh-leez.
ReplyDeleteBesides Chabad.Yes.Yeshiva World,Chasidim,Rav Vozner.
Totally.You are out the loop, if you don't get it.
out of the loop? me? puh-leez.
ReplyDeleteYou wanna talk people at the levaya? let's do it! bring it on!
He had maybe 10000 people by his levaya.
Contrast that with Reb Shlomo Zalmen...
Anon:
ReplyDelete"RE, Nosi Hador
You think that Rav Eliyashev is not the Posek hador because he is considered a Apikores in Willi, KJ and Brisk?"
Rav Elyoshiv, may or may not be "posek hador" (i am personally not into these "titlen")Any LIVING person, who could show that he is may be a candidate."Nosi Hador" (a Lubavitch new-age "title") is by definition only open to people who are here.Even Moshe Rabbeinu is disqualified (even according to one opinion in the gemureh that "moshe loh mess").
But the whole thing is a joke, when a small group of people, namely Lubavitch in this case, are trying to "force" the whole world to accept their leader as "world jewish leader" giving most frim yidden no say...
Hirshel
ReplyDeleteMy son was there,
He had much less then 10000, There was no Yeshiveshe crowd at all, this Guy Shea has this Kopelman hangover that he can not overcome.Ask him if he was also sad by Rav Gestetener death that died young and wrote 15 volumes Teshovoth. How was the achduth then,a couple of 100 people and thats it.
It may have escaped you, but I mentioned a few days ago that Rav Koppelman had some connection with Reb Nissen during the war years. Kfar Habad had an article about it at the time of Rav Koppelman's last vivit to E. Yisroel.
ReplyDelete"Contrast that with Reb Shlomo Zalmen"
ReplyDeleteThere is no question in my mind at least, that R'Shlomo Zalman was a bigger gaon, but that's not the discussion.
The discussion is whether Rav Koppelman was universally acknowledged, chasidim, misnagdim etc.The answer is yes.R'Shlomo Zalman was not a favourite of the more right wing because of his being a talmid of Rav Kook.
But that's besides the point.This is not a competition.The fact is that Rav Koppelman was an odom godol, universally respected, and Chabad unfortunately could not manage to give him the least ammount of respect.To their detriment.
Why do L:ubavitcher Chassidim have so little in common with most other chassidesen, and why do they "akshen zech" that they are mainstream???
ReplyDeleteEvery chassides and more or less every kreiz has some blind spots or meshigasen, but Chabad today seems to have all but some seeing spots.
I have nothing against Chabad or the Rebbe, aderabe I think He was a great man and a Manhig, but from this until the superlatives that the Lubavitcher Chassidim are "koisher le'roysho" the way is very distant.
And to our dismay, after all the hesbeirim, the Chabadsker will always give you a feeling that "er is de zach" and you are something "sug beyt"
Yoshe
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't lost on me. I saw what you wrote.
I was not by the levayah.
ReplyDeleteI saw reports of 30 thousand people and saw the levaya on line and the crowd seemed massive.
And again that's not the point.
Idid not say anything about Lubavitchers not attending or yes attending the levaya.All I said that the petirah of such a unique person meant zero to them.
Stop bringing in things which have no shyachus about R'Shlomo Zalman etc.
If you do want to: We can discuss why Nosi Hador, had, from estimates I saw, 4thousand, to 12 thousand, to the outrageous 50 thousand reported in the Jewish Press newspaper, while 8 years before that R'Moshe Feinstein had a quarter of a million, or R'Shlom Zalman even more.
Strange that very few non Lubavitchers attended too
" There was no Yeshiveshe crowd at all"
ReplyDeleteThis is stam a lie.Quit stooping low.
This took place at the Mir.
Yoshe,I too saw your comment at the time.
Again,
You are just proving that new-age Lubavitch has no place for any non-Lubavitchers, unless they can milk it for their benefit.
Lubavitch was not always this partisan.
B"H
ReplyDeletehttp://www.shturem.org/index.php?section=news&id=50206
Rabbi Zvi Telsner spoke about the legendary kindness of the Rubashkin family, something they were already famous for over a century ago. Providing one specific example, Rabbi Telsner recounted that when Rabbi Koppelman (may he have a speedy Refuah Shleima) lived in Samarkand in the 1940’s, basic necessities were so scarce that he couldn’t even obtain a pair of pants. It was the Rubashkin family who provided him with one, and when recounting this incident many years later, Rabbi Koppelman concluded that “no bad could possibly occur to the Rubashkin family”.
shea: "Rav Elyoshiv, may or may not be "posek hador" (i am personally not into these "titlen")"
ReplyDeleteSo is "zkan roshei yeshivos" not a titel?
Why is it so difficult for Lubavitchers, frum from birth, with some idea about the "rest" of the world to admit:That the average Lubavitcher has no interest in anything besides Lubavitch.The younger generation being much less inclined than the older generation to be interested in anything else out there.
ReplyDeleteThis is because less and less Lubavitchers attend mainstream yeshivas and more and more Lubavitchers grow up with very little connection to frum,non Lubavitchers.
We can discuss if it's a good thing or not, but why not be honest about it?
Shea: When you'll be stuck near "hotzenplotz" or however you called it, or be in the area for a visit to kevorim, looking up up your elte-bobbeh's kever or the likes,you will be very happy that you read in Shturem or COL or wherever that there is a Hachnosas Orchim with mehadrin food and fine accomodations.
ReplyDelete"So is "zkan roshei yeshivos" not a titel"
ReplyDeleteNo.
It was a fact.
Unless there is some 107 year old rosh yeshiva hiding somewhere.
Shea
ReplyDelete"are trying to "force" the whole world to accept their leader as "world jewish leader" giving most frim yidden no say..."
I hope you mean "influence". not physical force....
Shea
ReplyDelete"All I said that the petirah of such a unique person meant zero to them."
Unique what in torah? or age?
Shea
ReplyDelete""Nosi Hador" (a Lubavitch new-age "title") is by definition only open to people who are here."
If lubavich invented the tile, then what gives you the audacity, to tell them how to use it. It is like telling Mr Ford how to drive his car.
Shea
ReplyDelete"Rav Elyoshiv, may or may not be "posek hador" (i am personally not into these "titlen"
I guess you are a aging professional, noting matters only age, and this chabadniks will not feel your pain. They would rather discuss a new kosher eatery in north Korea with some new Yiden oichlie kashrus then your concern. It is mamesh a Gevald.
Shea
ReplyDelete"his is because less and less Lubavitchers attend mainstream yeshivas and more and more Lubavitchers grow up with very little connection to frum,non Lubavitchers."
do u remeber a time when Lubavichers attended mainstream yeshivahs?
when?
where?
are lubavichers obligated to have connections to non lubavichers?
why ? because if not the non lubavicher will strip the Rebbe of the title Nosi Hador? Is there still a slight chance to save it?
What will happen if they will still be using the title after the title removal,will they be arrested?
I would like to mention 2 points. The Algemeiner Zhurnal a Lubavitcher publication did give the death of the senior rosh yeshiva Rabbi K. front page cverage with kiddush levona osyos. I wonder if any Degel type paper woudl cover the death RL of a Chabad rav.
ReplyDeleteThe American Yated states that Rabbi K was born in Vasilishok near Radin in the Ukraine . Since when is Radin in the Ukraine?Radin is in the Ukraine like Bobov is in the Lita . If Rav K was actually born in the Ukraine then he was not born near Radin.
Vasilishok is near Vilna. Since when is this the Ukraine , I would call it Lita or Lithuania.
My late rebbe rav Shimon Romm of RIETS was the chadban of the last rav of the town Rav Eliahu Eisenbod Hayd who took over from his father Rav Rubinstein.(whose grandson was a Ram in the Ramieles yeshiva in Vilna).
Rav Romm (Posniack) was the last rav Tzair of Vasilishok in 1939 . The Chafetz Chaim was a parush here for a while.
So if we are speaking of Vasilishok in the Radin arae we a re in Lita not the Ukraine.
My point Jewish histoy and geography is important and we need to spend an extra moment or two to know what we are talking or writing about.
Shea
ReplyDelete".R'Shlomo Zalman was not a favourite of the more right wing because of his being a talmid of Rav Kook."
so if you are not on the same page with a Godal then it is legitimate to ignore him.And I assume the Satmar Ruv can stay with the title Rabon Shel Kol Bnie ha
Golah, eventough his people ignore the Posek Hador.
Is this not a double standard? Mei Ulme Hie .....?
Shea
ReplyDelete"The discussion is whether Rav Koppelman was universally acknowledged, chasidim, misnagdim etc.The answer is yes.R'Shlomo Zalman was not a favourite of the more right wing because of his being a talmid of Rav Kook."
again,
lets think for a minute,and do a subtotal.
Rav Kopelman is more universally acknowledged then Reb Shloma Zalmen....
"If you do want to: We can discuss why Nosi Hador, had, from estimates I saw, 4thousand, to 12 thousand, to the outrageous 50 thousand reported in the Jewish Press newspaper, while 8 years before that R'Moshe Feinstein had a quarter of a million, or R'Shlom Zalman even more."
ReplyDeleteHere we go with the numbers again.This guy Shea seems to have some sort of obsession with the "numbers racket" be it age or otherwise.But,OK, two can play the game.How many visit the kvorim on the yohr tzeit of each of the above named luminaries? 100,200,a thousand? How many visit the LR's kever every year on Gimmel Tammuz.10,000,20,000? More like 50,60 thousand if not more. What percentage of them are not Lubavitcher? 50,60 percent?There!!!My daddy is stronger then yours.
Hirshel
ReplyDeletedo you see this extreme anti chabad bias of shea and his partners?
He will not utter a word on the Yated ignoring Rav Kopelman, he will go on and on his hangover of Nosi Hador,but no word on the Yated.
It is very simple. The Chabad sites are not news sites for the klal.
ReplyDeleteThey are for people like me who want to keep up with our friends and what they are doing on shlichus, or what is happening back in CH since we left, or who got married, or who needs tehillim L"A. We in Chabad who are Internet oriented news junkies read VIN and we know what happens in other kreizen from there. Those of us who don't care much and just want a community bulletin board stick with the Chabad sites and wish each other mazel tov in the comments.
Did VIN cover R' Dovid Raskin AH? He indirectly did more for Yiddishkeit in the US and beyond than many who they cover ever did directly or indirectly.
I wouldn't expect them to cover him though.
The Algemeiner Zhurnal a Lubavitcher publication...
ReplyDeleteThe Algemeiner is written for everyone who can read Yiddish. It is a publication for the klal that is owned by Lubavitchers.
The Chabad sites are one step above internal blogs and are in blog format.
Maybe you can explain then why the American Yated made a big deal about him?
ReplyDeleteRe yated
ReplyDeleteI remember when they ran a piece about
R Chaim Brisker. R Avrom Yoshua said far derfar hot men ge'eftn a tzaytung far
Bney teyre a mzol arainshteln gantzenne maymorim fun
Dzhey Bee ? ( A no no in Brisk to call him that but did help him make it the KO punch he was looking for to make its way back to Bney Braq...
He had a real love/hate relationship with Rav Shach ZL
The editors pick and choose corruptly and politically who gets the
Maran title. R Shmuel Aurbachs status was in flux for years.
When he resisted Rav AL Shteynman on Nachal they took it away.
I think he got it back (lucky for him)
R Shmuel towers over R aron leib in gadlus baToyre
Just compare their sforim.
Rav Noyvirt of bney braq told me he asked r shmuel how is it he remembers every Rashi in
Shas he replied myoim omdoi al daytoi hot er nisht mistakl geven btzuras isho!
And this man was demoted by the paper of daas toyre.
Why are you guys so hung up?
ReplyDeleteName me ONE publication that is fair to everyone, and yes, that means that they acknowledge Geonim, Rabonim, Nesiim, Poskim whatever, that are NOT universally acknowledged by all groups. Everyone is quick to say that somebody else's is an Apikorus, or a fool, or a fraud or a nothing.
We don't have one decent paper or news website that doesn't pick and choose what they include or don't tell us about.
Kindly enlighten me if I'm wrong.
PS. R' Elyashiv was also a Talmid of R' Kook z’l
To Anon who explained the purpose of Chabad sites, thank you! We cater to Lubavitch, but the bored oilom reads us daily, even more than that. You would be surprised how they read every line inside and out. We B"H have our agenda, and we stick to it. And if some people think we are different, we "takeh" are. Live with it. We are not changing.
ReplyDeleteMoshiach NOW!
Tzig
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see a topic devoted to how and why some Litvishe yeshives attract Chasidshe bochurim, I'm thinking bout Fallsburg, which seems to have had them in big numbers throughout 40+ years of existence, but there must be others.
I'm not including Ma'asef le'chol Ha'Machne yeshivas, like Lakewood and UTA
BelzFin Amool
ReplyDeletethe answer is simple, chasidim (not chabad) marry off their boys by 18, especial a good boy goes the day he turns 18,
so how can you have a yeshivah gedolah with only bochurim of age 17?
Anon "
ReplyDeletederfar hot men ge'eftn a tzaytung far
Bney teyre a mzol arainshteln gantzenne maymorim fun
Dzhey Bee ? ( A no no in Brisk to call him that"
Did the Yated quote Reb Yoshe Ner of Boston?
I dont think so?
please check your facts?
Anon
ReplyDelete"R Shmuel towers over R aron leib in gadlus baToyre
Just compare their sforim. '
Did Reb shmuel write on a other topic besides Oholoth?
Maybe I am mistaking
In 2006 R' Yudel Chitrik, the oldest Lubavither at the time, was nifter at the age of 106. I didn't expect to read about his passing in Yated or Di Tzeitung. In fact, it will be no surprise to me if many frumme yidden - especially amongst the readership of the said papers - didn't hear the name before, despite him being the oldest Lubavitcher, a Mechaber, of the first temimim in Tomchei Temimim etc.
ReplyDeleteI also assume that the very comparison will make some people cringe - how dare I compare him to RK, the oldest RY!!! Talmid Muvhek of RSS!!!
While we should respect the Gedolim of other sects, we should also tolerate opinions and lifestyle that might not coincide with ours.
See here a similar discussion as RK was visiting Melbourne last year:
http://ajnwatch.blogspot.com/2010/06/guest-post-from-former-talmid-of.html
Did rav kopelman learn tanya?
ReplyDelete106 years and not learn the Derech Hoemes?
Note: rav kopelman was from his early years rosh hyashivah in antwerp belgium 2 of his talmidim there told me that he would pass around every day a pishku tzadukah supporting the 'netiru kartah' of than in eretz yisruael! that may explain why agudah yeshivous with their rabayim dont like him to much!
ReplyDeleteAgav, Matzav did have an article on R' Dovid Raskin, a"h.
ReplyDelete"I could be wrong."
ReplyDeleteAccording to the Yated, you ARE wrong. He spent some time in Siberia, and was THEN sent to Samarkand. Although it appears that Siberia was only for a short amount of time.
For those noting the petirah of Reb Yudel Chitrik also at the age of 106, it seems that Rav Koppelman thought pretty highly of him as well...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.chabadluzern.com/templates/blog/post_cdo/AID/1320132/PostID/23178
ערבך ערבא צריך...
ReplyDeleteIt wouldn't be the first time the yated got their facts wrong...
While I'm not familiar with the biography of RK, and he perhaps did go through the Gulag system as you suggest, I do want to make the point that anyone familiar with the gulag history, especially of the 1930-40s - the years of the 'great terror' - knows that kim'at כל באיה לא ישובון... so it will be uncommon for anyone to end up there unless he was sent there, and if he was unfortunate to be sent there, he was doomed for a long suffering not a "a short amount of time".
Did the Yated quote Reb Yoshe Ner of Boston?
ReplyDeleteI dont think so?
please check your facts?"
They printed the piece Shloi Bshem Omroi.
R A Y reckognized it. They all know Der Bostoners
Toyre and Shtiklach. After his petire R Meir said Loy Hiniyach Kmoysoy Bamerica.
Btw I remember the Yontif
they carried on when Hagram Halevi came out
Anonymous said...Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:48:00 PM
ReplyDelete"" Shea: When you'll be stuck near "hotzenplotz" or however you called it, or be in the area for a visit to kevorim, looking up up your elte-bobbeh's kever or the likes,you will be very happy that you read in Shturem or COL or wherever that there is a Hachnosas Orchim with mehadrin food and fine accommodations."""
some yidden will rathe eat matzoh and tuna and daven beyecidas then be nehana from lubavitsher
The lackluster coverage by Yated of certain
ReplyDeleteRoshey Yeshivos is do to the real source of the
Gedolim movement in the Litvishe Velt
It was needed to give the LV a bloc vote
like Ger . So the (in)famous 14th Ani
Maymin known as Daas Toyre was born. Lorentz and Porush
used the Chazon Ish Brisker Tshebiner Rov out as vote getters
This is why the BRs children detested Icha Mayer
The Staypler ZLs inability to hear well and one had to communicate on paper turn quickly innto
Kvitlach. The real Litvishe approach can be summed
up by Rav Rudermans reply to a Bochur who asked
him for a Brocho he said Vos Biste an Epl?
This new philosophy quickly infested all the LV worldwide.
(Except Brisk)
So its not about Kovod HaTora its about votes
Rav Kopplman or hRav Gershon Libman ZL don't serve this purpose.
A relative of mine ( a lubaviche Chsidisted from
Bashenkovtz) asked the BR whether she should leave EY to vist family in the US.
He said no. (She said she didn't write to the Rebbe vayl tzu a
Rebn fort men)
R AY told me the Rov answered her only since she was a Tmimusdike
Almonne. But otherwise would never advise
people on such things.
There is a well known Mesoire from the
Vilner Goen ZL that learning 3 hrs Bamkus will give
YOU Daas Toyre to then think about issues to make decisions
Anon
ReplyDelete"some yidden will rathe eat matzoh and tuna and daven beyecidas then be nehana from lubavitsher"
did you read last weeks parsha, there was a Korech Veadosai.... and the possuk tells Vuvnie korech Loi Meisi...the seforim write we have them in every generation... but thank hashem it is a fringe...as you saw pesach that all Marans....approved the Chabad Kolel money..
Levin from Argentina reminds me of Dossen VeAvirom....
Anon
ReplyDelete"They printed the piece Shloi Bshem Omroi. "
did they print the Hesped Ma Dodaich of RJBS...? are they so ignorant that it will not detected ?
Anon
ReplyDelete"There is a well known Mesoire from the
Vilner Goen ZL that learning 3 hrs Bamkus will give
YOU Daas Toyre to then think about issues to make decisions"
I saw lately on this blog, that not seeing a Tzuras Isha makes you the real daas torah,
I am confused, also, what is the concept of Beamkus? can I, a certified simple layman achieve it?
Anon
ReplyDelete"This is why the BRs children detested Icha Mayer '
why did not the Brisker Rav stop all this hustlers from using his name?
I guess he was not realy against it, he was not adamant with a yes or a no.
So his name will be used forever by Menachem Porush, it can not denied that he used Porush for his Askunes as Hiechel shloma, etc... and he knew Menachems tactic all along.
Anon
ReplyDelete"The Staypler ZLs inability to hear well and one had to communicate on paper turn quickly innto
Kvitlach"
the Stiepler was big in the Rebishe Berocha business, I saw one of his nephew saying in a interview for Friedman of Bakhila, that the he herad his uncle the Stipler remark once, that I have no success in Berochas of child bearing.
Don't start with revisionism, that he did not hear well..etc
One more thing regarding Daas Toire in America.
ReplyDeleteIch tayne shoyn lang if you want to know DT in a rush
Just approach certain well known Yeshishe real estate moguls.
They have the DT before the Rosh Yeshiva gets it..
We could start Chasmenen these guys on Kol
Koyros as well. The RYs are no longer Choyshesh not for
Kvoydoi Yisborach not Kvoyd Beys Abba not Kvoyd Atzmom.
Pney HaDor Kpney etc R Yisrol (Salanter) was
Masbir hagam der hunt geyt kleympisht forois ober dos vos er dreytzach oys tzum bale bos zehn vu er geyt tzaygt sheyn ver s'firt vemmen. Kipney hakelev.
I saw lately on this blog, that not seeing a Tzuras Isha makes you the real daas torah,
ReplyDeleteI am confused, also, what is the concept of Beamkus? can I, a certified simple layman achieve it?"
No. What was said was. R Shmul attributed his Syate Dishmaye in
Toire to that.
Layman status does not affect achieving Amkus
but unfortunately your level of havono would.
Anon
ReplyDelete"Just approach certain well known Yeshishe real estate moguls.
They have the DT before the Rosh Yeshiva gets it.."
the difference between the US and Israel is, that in the US it is the Rich fat cat with the cigar and in Israel it is the Chaver Keneseth or the Askan as Motke Blau
the Stiepler was big in the Rebishe Berocha business, I saw one of his nephew saying in a interview for Friedman of Bakhila, that the he herad his uncle the Stipler remark once, that I have no success in Berochas of child bearing.
ReplyDeleteDon't start with revisionism, that he did not hear well..etc"
The Steipler was a Gavra Rabba. An Oyved HaShem who retained several aspects of his
Chsidishe fathers chinuch. But in the 60s and early 70s you would yell into his ear
It was felt not 2 b Bakovedik so the writing started.
The Rabisteve I believe was of result of both the
Oylom and himself z"l taking the gradual slide down the slippery slope together.
I was young when I was by Lhvdbchl"ch the Steipler ZL.
ReplyDeleteBut I remember sensing that he did not relish his role as a rebbe-type.
Made great effort to act like a Moicher Sforim.
Put his hand on the stack of Sforim and Rechnd ois the
Cheshben like a store keeper
Got upset when we tried not to accept change.
He said Ir vet nemen reshte! Went over to a drawer and got it himself
Yidden came with Tzores and he wouldn't turn them away.
In addition Rav Shach ZL always sent people to
"R Yaynkev".
Anon
ReplyDelete"The Rabisteve I believe was of result of both the
Oylom and himself z"l taking the gradual slide down the slippery slope together."
In the Lita they had a few Gedolim that were Balai Mofsim as the Oshminar Ruv ( Probably I did not write the town name it correctly),I saw lately in Hamevaser that the Reb velvel Brisker commented to Segal of the Yidisher Shtral that he does not put in Sipurim of Misnagdic Gedolim. For a while the BR send some Sipurim with and without mofsim to Segal for printing in the journal.I assume the family will not approve Segals story , but for me, Segal has the same chezkas kashrus as RAJ.
Dont forget the stiepler was born on a bracha from the hornstiepler ,the aidem from the divrae chaim...
ReplyDeletebut for me, Segal has the same chezkas kashrus as RAJ."
ReplyDeleteHow is it that you come to be an expert on the Rosh Yeshiva's
Chezkas Kashrus ?
A typical subscriber to herd mentality thinking he's being clever.
His track record on being Mdakdek in Maysess happens to be excellent.
If you were a bar hoche and had access to ksovim from his
Shiurim you'd see it bam Lernen as well.
The Yid has a great Koyach Hahasboro but at the same time
Leygt nisht tzu iberike verter. Many talmidim shtayg greatly from him
And are Makir Toyve kol ymey chayeyhem.
Stam tzu baredn vi a plut ?
Hirshel
ReplyDeleteYou probably heard that Rav Lefkowitz died, please notify all chabad sites that they should write, if not, it will repeat again, some nudge like Shea will nag you to no end.
BTW, did you see the havtocha of Reb Chaim that he will definitely come home?
Anon
ReplyDeleteI will talk like a brisker,If "Halacha" claims that a yid has a chezkas kashrus, till proven halachic otherwise, then it is no difference between the great articulate Rosh then Harav Segal.
If you differ with me then you are a nebech Apikoras, since you are a Kofer in halacha.Am I on the same page with the Brisker Shprach?
Anon
ReplyDelete"His track record on being Mdakdek in Maysess happens to be excellent. "
he is too political calculated to be truthful.
BTW, did you see the havtocha of Reb Chaim that he will definitely come home?"
ReplyDeleteR Yeedele said about nusn elye Rote's books az er volt gekent shrahbn feel gressere sfurim fin di mofsim vus zennen nisht gilungen!
Besides there was an inyan by many gedoylim to make such havtochos to be mchazeyk the choyle
R Chayims gadless iz vos er gedenkt kol hatoyre kulo afn loshn. Not that he's some "baba hayim". A title yoydeya asidoys iz gnai hu loi for a yid that's yoydeya kol divrey chazal ksimlo pruso.
A yid that through horivanye not kishron got to such a madreyge. Instead of looking
to tchepe hold him up as an example for your own kids.
I believe the expression "vayberish getracht" in our
Dor is very unfair to the vayber.
Anon
ReplyDelete"R Yeedele said about nusn elye Rote's books "
who is Reb Yidel?
Who is Nussen elye Roth"
not all yiden here are from the Bukevine?
Anon
ReplyDelete"Besides there was an inyan by many gedoylim to make such havtochos to be mchazeyk the choyle"
is Reb Chaim in to these inyonim? cant he leave some work for the Tosher Rebbe
Btw, since u r on this subject can u plz. mesamech the crowd, with the zilzul of RAJ of Brisk on Reb Chaim?
Anon
ReplyDelete"A yid that through horivanye not kishron got to such a madreyge."
he was born with the Kishron, I saw a Ksav YYad of his uncle the Chazon Ish that he knows Kol Hatorah Kulo as a young bocher. This does not happen from Hasmoda, it is a god given beracha.
Guys,
ReplyDeleteRav Kopellman's "problem" was that he did not belong anywhere. Thats it!
All teh magasines, websites etc. have agendas, parties to serve to, and he did not fit any of them being completely independent.
He put out 10'ns thousand of talmidim ,(between normal yiden that's an accomplishment) was a gadlishe mentch (acc. to anybody who knew him) and a fatsaitishe.
I saw a Ksav YYad of his uncle the Chazon Ish that he knows Kol Hatorah Kulo as a young bocher. This does not happen from Hasmoda, it is a god given beracha."
ReplyDeleteThis is Sheker Muchlot. You claim it was a Ksav Yad since you know it was never published..
Zog sheyn Piske Min Shmaye..
Mamesh Mayse Baal Dovor to take away from such a chizuk.
You can ask the Swiatitzki mishpocho right here in Monsey-Brookyn
They are very close. R Chayim Swiatitzki ZL mother was the Chazon Ishs sister.
He grew up together with his cousin R Chaim Kanyevsky. His family stayed in
Kosove(Litta) and were killed. The Steipler was very concerned about his sons future
The CI gave an Eitza he should start learning at least the names of the Masechtos HaShas-the Kedushas HaToyre will be Mamashich.
That's how he started. (Intersant - its Me'en di
Mayse fun Bal Shem Tov ZL zogn alef beis afn yam)
Russian chosid
ReplyDeleteaccording to one magazine the Satmar Ruv plagiarized the Issur of Pilgrimage to Kosel from Ran Kopelman,
immediately after the war was won, the great Rosh declared the Kosel prohibition.
The New Square (out holy court)claim that Rav Kopelman had long Gepravechtz(meeting), by the Skeverer Rebbe, and he left teary eyed,claiming that you guys should know that you have a Grossen Rebben.
So far I am not getting what the crying was for, did he beg for a Tikkun from the Rebbe?
Did they cry about Shechintu Begulisa? Does his popular disciple Schlesinger from Monsey cofirm the Skverer story?
Anon
ReplyDelete"This is Sheker Muchlot. You claim it was a Ksav Yad since you know it was never published.."
Plz, don't make a fool out of yourself,don't jump to conclusions, I saw the manuscript on the site of Oitzer Hachochma.I am no chazonishnik, no affiliation to no isms, it is there check it out.I guess I went against the grain of your worldview.
For some odd reason you love Shemous better then facts.I am amazed at your reservoir of half baked Shemous.
BTW,At what age did Reb Chaim write his first Sefer?
Anon
ReplyDelete"he CI gave an Eitza he should start learning at least the names of the Masechtos HaShas-the Kedushas HaToyre will be Mamashich. "
This reminds me of the famous chasidic story of the Besht on his way to E Y , after his madriegos, were lost he regained it by saying the Aleph Bies.
Please stop with this nonsense, can you leave some work for the holy tosher Rebbe.
For some odd reason you love Shemous better then facts.I am amazed at your reservoir of half baked Shemous."
ReplyDeletePlease provide address.
This letter of which you write and what I relate- and I give you readily available sources- are not necessarily mutually exclusive. They evidently occurred in chronological order.
I grew up shmuesing Lhvdbch"l with R Chayim S. asking all about the Chazonn Ish
My facts are not half baked. R Chaims father R Abba Hy"d took over the Kossever Rabonus after his FIL.
It was your assumption that they are irreconcilable. It was based on your premise that I said Sheker Muchlot.
I was never told at what age this took place. But it safe to say that in that family they had great expectations starting very early on
Anon 4.41
ReplyDelete...and Lyubavich says that he learned with alte chasidim tanya..
I am yet to hear from Boyaner chasidim how he shaked before zich pravenen baim heiliger Rebben.
One thing is for sure-everybody wanted him-so looks like he was not that bad :)
You can't believe anybody, unless you hear from un-affiliated people.
look in the otzer site
ReplyDeletewhere does lubavich claim that?
ReplyDeleteThe New Square (out holy court)claim that Rav Kopelman had long Gepravechtz(meeting), by the Skeverer Rebbe, and he left teary eyed,claiming that you guys should know that you have a Grossen Rebben. "
ReplyDeleteIf that's true it doesn't help rabbi twersky it just hurts the Zeycher of Rav Kopplman ZL...
why no coverage on the rosh yeshiva in bnei brak
ReplyDeletebecause he was a Misnaged and no Yedid for Chabad and part of the hate machine of the Tzorer Hayehudim of Benai Berak
ReplyDeleteAnon
ReplyDelete"If that's true it doesn't help rabbi twersky it just hurts the Zeycher of Rav Kopplman ZL..."
maybe Rav Kopelman saw what you dont see?
Anon
ReplyDelete"I was never told at what age this took place. But it safe to say that in that family they had great expectations starting very early on"
he made his first sefer Nachel Eisan at 20-22, If that his not a born Iluy, then nobody is.
Anon
ReplyDelete"You can ask the Swiatitzki mishpocho right here in Monsey-Brookyn
They are very close. R Chayim Swiatitzki ZL mother was the Chazon Ishs sister."
a Sipur that comes from a Litvak, is not more reliable then from any chosid. There are fictitious minds everywhere, in a place like Satmar, that Satmar Ruv was famous for a sipur denier,his butler Ezriel Gluck, is a pathological liar, confirmed by Zalonim and Aronim. So don't get excited when it happens in other nice families.
Anon
ReplyDeleteplease take a look at this letter
שלוכט"ס
כבר ארכו ימי שתיקתי ר"ל לא קיימתי כתיבה כדיבור, ולפי הנהוג שבעולם יאמרו מפני רב הטרדא, ואני חוזר להענין ידידנו זרח שיחי'
הציע נכבדות בשביל מרא דכולא תלמודא חיים קנבסקי שליט"א ואם אחותי תחי' תסכים ,לפי ראות עיני אפשר (ל)י)קדם הדבר
מתעניין אנכי לדעת משלום יוספ' שתחי', עד כמה מצאה שביעת רצון במדינת הים שלכם, ואכפול שלו' (ואחתום ברכה)??? אי"ש
As for Rav Kopelman's connection to Reb Nisen Nemanov (mentioned by someone above) -- See "Beis Moshiach" #573, in Zalmen Chanin's very interesting article (part of a series that he is running on & off for 5 years) about how his father Chaikel halped save hundreds of Anash to escape the USSR.
ReplyDeleteIn the article Zalmen writes that in 5706, Rav Kopelman was walking in the Bukhara quarters of Samarkand, when suddenly a car pulled up with undercover officers, & he was whisked away for interrogation. They only let him go when he promised to leave Samarkand at once.
While at the police station, R' Kopelman found out that the authorities were getting ready to arrest Reb Nisen. So when R' Kopelman was released, he went straight to Reb Nisen to tell him.
Reb Nisen took off from Samarkand the very same day & went to Tashkent. It was from there that R' Nisen remained hidden, while still staying in contact with Anash -- until the famous escape via Lvov/Lembereg began shortly thereafter, through the initiative of Chaizel & Yosel Mochkin.
Ayin shom ba'aruchah...
[Part of the cheshbon that it was time to leave Samarkand was a kal v'achomer: mah doch Rav Kopelman, who was a misnaged & spent the day alone learning in shul, was still arrested & interrogated -- kol shekein Anash who were chasidim & were "guilty" of spreading Torah & yiddishkait to others, surely the authorities were prepared to arrest them too. It was only a matter of time...]
-- ZIY
שלוכט"ס
ReplyDeleteכבר ארכו ימי שתיקתי ר"ל לא קיימתי כתיבה כדיבור, ולפי הנהוג שבעולם יאמרו מפני רב הטרדא, ואני חוזר להענין ידידנו זרח שיחי'
הציע נכבדות בשביל מרא דכולא תלמודא חיים קנבסקי שליט"א
What are you proving. He was a Choson Bochur already.
Been better had you not produced this letter. I thought you'd show he was a childhood prodigy. At least we can breath sigh of relief that HGR chaim swiatitzky ZL was not a congenital liar... At issue is your level of Hebrew reading comprehension.
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"If that's true it doesn't help rabbi twersky it just hurts the Zeycher of Rav Kopplman ZL..."
ReplyDeletemaybe Rav Kopelman saw what you dont see?"
My point excactly..
Btw, since u r on this subject can u plz. mesamech the crowd, with the zilzul of RAJ of Brisk on Reb Chaim?"
ReplyDeleteThe nega of Godlshaft and Rabisteve has removed several important Halochos from practical implementation. Bmokoym Chilul HaShem ein Cholkin etc or the Halocos how to be Moichiach Raboi. How these Halochos reconcile with Kol Hameraher achar Raboi etc. When does Kol Hameharher really apply. Is discussed in the Poskim. I don't have to condone what he did to still give the Yid Kovod and Derech Eretz. As would my yedidim as well. Its ironic because he is a man of substance. Yet those far inferior to him enjoy blind obedience from their lemmings. The very fact you bring it up belies your own belief system which requires greatness to be infallible. Shonim Kitikunom in Litvishe circles that would be concidered Kinderish Getracht. The reason there are so many statements from him is because he has a sceptical oilom that won't buy Lukshen from anyone. He then has to make his case and be Marchiv HaDibur. How this is done etc. is an issue but doesn't disqualify the man. But here's another shocker. He is Mekabel Toychocho and happily responds to criticism. Often times with a smile and a vertl. I don't have to list all the present day Manihigim. You do the math
(The expected answer in all other Krayzn -ich red shoyn nisht fun Skver mit Lubavitch) would be deny deny deny. Host a tape? Di host alaynz gehert? S'iz lignt etc. A famous contemporary and frankly, quite brilliant at times-activist/commentator, I believe, refers to this as Der Alter SaKmerer Azyatisher Marmorisher Veyg. )