Reb Avrum Banda (c) posing with Rabbis Berel (l) and Gedalia (r) Shemtov in Crown Heights today, where he and family inaugurated the new Pomegranate Shluchim Suites. Gedalia founded - together with his uncle Reb Mendel Shemtov, ע"ה, - and runs the Shluchim Office - a resource and assistance center for Shluchim - in Crown Heights, and his father Reb Berel is the Shliach to the State of Michigan, and has been since 1958. He is the son of Reb Bentche Shemtov whom we discussed in yesterday's post, and a somewhat controversial figure in Lubavitch due to his very unique style of doing mostly everything. That being said we're very proud of the fact that Reb Avrum, a Satmarer Yid, donated this beautiful facility in honor of the wonderful work that Lubavitcher Shluchim do. May Hashem bless him and his family and may they much continued success מתוך שמחה וטוב לבב עבג"צ בב"א.
So whats Reb Avrum, doing in michigan? he ain't selling used cars there?
ReplyDeletethe person with the white Beard looks like Shaul Pearlstien.. the Zali Rosh Hakohol who in matter in fact learned in Lubavich Tishon Letzion..
ReplyDeleteA shud oif yiddisher gelt
ReplyDeleteיא יא
ReplyDeleteבעסער נוצען די געלט אויף אינטערנעט פעלטערס און הויכע שטריימלעך
tibi lotzi said.: "the person with the white Beard looks like Shaul Pearlstien.. the Zali Rosh Hakohol who in matter in fact learned in Lubavich Tishon Letzion..'
ReplyDeleteexcept that it's 'not him' another lotzi culim
Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...
ReplyDeleteיא יא
בעסער נוצען די געלט אויף אינטערנעט פעלטערס און הויכע שטריימלעך
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How about using the money for more himisha lubab clothing like :
דיזיינער לעֶבּיל בּעקיטשע, מיט זיידענע נעקטיי, כובע הקנייטש פון איטַלִיע, מיט אַ הויך אין לאנג שייטל, אָן קרָקאדייל שיך
how about using the money for what it was used?
ReplyDeleteHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...
ReplyDeletehow about using the money for what it was used?
Yes Yes Yes It's a great mitzvah!
(hopefully the shliach there will not give א"י השלימה, דרשות)
מפרסמין עושה מצוה, עשרה שהיו עושין עשר מצות, כל אחד ואחד מברך לעצמו, היו עושין כולן מצוה אחת, אחד! מברך לכולן
oneg shabbos said...
ReplyDeleteA shud oif yiddisher gelt
I guess you are a reform with no connection to chazal, supporting a house of Harbotzas torah to millions of Jews is the biggest form of Charity (tzedoka by us Frummies), plus there is some hospitality for out of towners (Hachnosas orchim by us Frummies)
Tzig,
ReplyDeleteI challenge you to find one, even one, instance of the opposite taking place. When you say Sheyerbu it always mean the one direction bridge R' Elchonon talks about in Ikvese Dmeshecha.
Snagville, I accept that challenge.
ReplyDeleteSee Here
Tzig,
ReplyDeleteCongrats on actually finding one case of Lubavitch giving to others.Drimmer is a very fine and generous individual.
I do believe however that tzedaka and chesed is something that needs a li'l greasing so to speak by lubavitchers.
if you ask me, comparing the two groups when referring to Tzedokoh is like comparing apples to oranges for several reasons
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ReplyDelete"I challenge you to find one, even one, instance of the opposite taking place"
I dont know how old you are? but thousand years ago there were jews like Gutnick,Drummer and Berel Wiess that were giving millions to non chabadniks.....
Hirshel,
ReplyDeleteCan you explain?
From my experience and talks with meshulochim about Crown Heights for example, Lubavitchers are not big gebbers .Mekurovim in early stages can give but once they become "ana"sh" it dries up , probably because of the talk in chabad about how great chabad is and how terrible misnagdim are.
Lubavitchers have somehow convinced or tried at least that they are peniless but there are many who are well to do.Yes, since Lubavitchers are into outreach they attract a lot of people who have various "issues" the stereotype is that they are a bunch of nebs, but it simply isn't true.Bichlal even to Chabad institutions the big gebbers are not "real" Lubavitch.See Leviev or George rohr or almost all the big donors.
Even when you do have a Lubavitcher that gives it is almost only to ana"sh.Even communal oraganizations like Hatzola get chai shpai.
"Gutnick,Drummer and Berel Wiess that were giving millions to non chabadniks....."
ReplyDeleteMillions???
Ha,ha.
Nice joke.
The Romans also built bridges.
Question is for who?
Look at this link for example where Trigaboff who has been milked to many times told feldman yishakeini
http://www.chabad.info/index.php?url=article_en&id=27682.
For some reason you talk out of your m#%*la all the time.Why?
YM
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Millions???
Ha,ha.
Nice joke.
The Romans also built bridges.
Question is for who?"
I am not getting the joke did they give millions for Tzedoka???
Nuta
ReplyDelete"Can you explain?
From my experience and talks with meshulochim about Crown Heights for example, Lubavitchers are not big gebbers .Mekurovim in early stages can give but once they become "ana"sh" it dries up , probably because of the talk in chabad about how great chabad is and how terrible misnagdim are.
Lubavitchers have somehow convinced or tried at least that they are peniless but there are many who are well to do.Yes, since Lubavitchers are into outreach they attract a lot of people who have various "issues" the stereotype is that they are a bunch of nebs, but it simply isn't true.Bichlal even to Chabad institutions the big gebbers are not "real" Lubavitch.See Leviev or George rohr or almost all the big donors."
This is one Mhehalech that they dont give no tzedoka....
"Even when you do have a Lubavitcher that gives it is almost only to ana"sh.Even communal oraganizations like Hatzola get chai shpai."
this is the 2nd Mehalech that they only give for themselves.. is this contradicting? or
I am a idiot???
It's all competition. JLI, which started off with the Shluchim Office (as Project Talmud) & then broke away & is now bigger than ever, just bought some buildings down the block from the S.O. on E. P. to create a new educational center. JLI is funded primarily by George Rohr. The S.O. needs to prove to the shuchim that it is doing something too. So they are willing to take money from anyone, even from... - even though R' Berel Shemtov is one of the best financially off shluchim out there.
ReplyDeleteBTW, with this whole סאטמאר–ליובאוויטש lovefest the last few years - has everyone forgotten that סאטמאר פראדוקטען are still in חרם since רז''ש דווארקין'ס days etc.? That anything that has a התאחדות שטעמפל is אסור צו אריינלייגען אין מויל - even if from Pomegranate? Since when is this no more applicable? (I heard that רי''ק מארלאוו said that since רז''ש made the פסק & is no more alive, we cannot be חוזר on it...)
Agav, there are Lubavitcher gvirim in Crown Heights, like ש''ב דריזין, but they are giving to the meshichists. So apparently, the anti-meshichist Shemtovs have be ''מקיים מש''נ: ''ממרחק יביא לחמו
--ZIY
קנאת סופרים איז א גוטע זאך
ReplyDeleteאון וויבאלד אז ריק"מ איז מער נישט בין החיים דארף מען ניט פאלגען זיין פסק?
Tzig,
ReplyDeleteגוט געזאגט – אבער אפיציעל האט מען נישט חוזר געווען
––זא''י
און ווען אלע רבנים פונעם התאחדות וועלכע זענען יעמאלט געוווען וועלן אריבער גיין אין יענער וועלט וועט מען שוין מעגן עסן?
ReplyDeleteאולי יש לברר זה סוכ''ס ע''י רבנים מב' הצדדים ולבטל החרם – ושלום על ישראל. כנראה שיותר נוח להשלים המצב בין האנטי'ס והאהרונים (ולא עם המשיחיסטים והזאלונים) מצד טעמים מובנים
ReplyDeleteאגב להעיר שר' משה קאטלארסקי נעדר ממאורע זו, וד''ל
––זא''י
וואס פאר א "וד"ל? אפשר איז ער גאר אין אויסלאנד?
ReplyDeleteBerel shemtov learned in sat mar as a child. He carried over a lot of Samar shtick into chabad. Maybe that's the connection.
ReplyDeletewhich Satmar shtick?
ReplyDeletebut thousand years ago there were jews like Gutnick,Drummer and Berel Wiess that were giving millions to non chabadniks
ReplyDelete3 exceptions to the rule and no one has seen a dime from any of them lately.
it would be tough to see dimes from Berel Weiss in his current state...
ReplyDeleteeverything is an exception if YOU make the rules....
,ציג
ReplyDelete:(דאס איז אביסל נאיעוו (תמימות'דיק
קאטלארסקי שטיצט ר' ינגי מינץ פון ''דשיי על איי'' – אנטקעגן גדלי' ש''ט ופמלייתו
ראהר, דער שטיצער פון ''דש. ע. א.'', איז פון קאטלארסקי'ס גבירים.
–– זא''י
Infighting
ReplyDeleteנו נו
ReplyDeleteפון די אינפייטינג איז געווארען א האטעל
הישקשה
ההד''כ: ואת ''רמון'' בסופה
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Will Mr. Banda give to Modern Orthodox next? Perhaps YU or YCT?
ReplyDeleteso shluchim opening their chabad houses to any jew doesnt count?
ReplyDeleteFor the uninitiated can you explain what's so controversial and unique about Berel Shemtov?
ReplyDeleteWho introduced the Minhag of Ribbon Cutting to a Chabad/Satmar Chanukas Habayis?
ReplyDeleteLeo
ReplyDeleteabout the Minhag that I see bothers you deeply,
Chazal say Ozel Lekartie Mishalch Benimisai...As you make a gathering you do it in Madison Square garden or Shea Stadium....or you make hafgonas its all minhag goyim incorporated in yiddishkiet...
tomash
ReplyDeleteIMHO it's a hollow ceremonial practice and might be considered Chukos Hagoy.
Supposedly Lub Rebbe was against placing mission statements in foundations for this reason.
Hafginu is sourced in Talmud (Rosh Hashana 19a and Taanis 18a).
Utilizing large areas as necessary is irrelevant.
Leo
ReplyDelete"MHO it's a hollow ceremonial practice and might be considered Chukos Hagoy."
before you pasken shalas look in famous Maharik on chukas hagoi.
Plus, I saw in seforim in the name of the Midrash that if you make hachnosas orchim then the Chut Hashoni turns white, thats the inyan of cutting the red ribbon, (source Minhag Yisroel torah)
where did he get satmer education ?
ReplyDeletei think berel deservs his own post.