Hirshel: Someone told me that in this week's ami Mayer Schiller eulogizes his friend the Hollywood actor Steven Hill. Not before he retells his own life's story....They were both were Baalei Tshuvah who were mesmerized by the old Skverer. Steve went thru hardships in making a living after he became a BT because he would not play unclean parts. He poured his heart out to the old Skverer. Out of the blue the Rebbe suggested to him he should maybe play some Shakespeare plays (which are probably clean) Shiller writes that he was shocked that a Ukrainian rebbe knew about Shakespeare plays! The million dollar question is now How did the Skverer, considered by his people the greatest קדוש and חסידא ופרישא, know about this תחתון שאין תחתון למטה הימנו? Unless Mayer Schiller isn't telling the truth, in which case all is well... I mean for the Chassidim.
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The rebbe of skver actually got cultured while living in Yas before WWII the 'city people' of Yas liked his mystic personality, and he got used to listen to their 'questions' and issues here in America as in Rumania. so he learned something, so did I .
"The Cultural Capital of Romania, The City of Great Loves, Moldavia, Iași has traditionally been one of the leading centres of Romanian social, cultural, academic and artistic life."
The late Yom Tov Ehrlich z"l was an accomplished artist and played out his many talents beautifuly which truthfully enriches many Jewish homes even more so today, came to 'realization' and inducements of the late skvere rebbe z"l, as he writes.
think of it there is a lot of stagecraft in the new square, wasn't Shakespeare who said:
"All the world's a (their) stage,
And all the men and women merely players"
Unfortunately they seemed to be frozen in act one.
he obviously didn't know much about Shakespeare if he thought those plays would be more appropriate for a chasid.
ס'האט פארציילט א גבאי פון איינע פון אונזערע פריערדיגע היזיגע רביס, כ'וועל אוודאי נישט פורש בשמו זיין כ'בין קיין מחוצף, אז ווען דער זושרנאל אין גיווען אנ סטרייק האט זיין רבי גילעכטץ נאכ'ן ליינען "דעם קרימען שפיגעל" א ראמאנע אין פארזעצונגן געשריבן מסתמא נוסח שייגץפער
הרבי הראשון דבאבוב באמעריקא, דר לאיזה שנים אחר המלחמה בלאנדאן, והיה מהיודעים המשחק "הסוחר מוונציה" כידוע ליודעים
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חסידות באבוב .. "הסוחר מוונציה", הופעה על בימת הגלוב, לונדון אנגליה , 2012,
London Evening Standart, report
in the sefer ויהי בנסוע which is the written account of the first נסיעה of the bobover rebbe reb shlomlo to eretz yisroel it is written they were in Venice and reb shlomlo bought something and he told the chasidim that Iam the merchant of Venice and he explained to the Chasidim , Shakespeare anti-Semitic play
nu where did he know it from probably the same place as the skvere rebbe knew it
The question wasn't asked by a chasid.
http://yomtovehrlich.blogspot.com/?m=1
Yom Tov not so Ehrlich
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?sits=1&req=43986&st=%u05D4%u05E1%u05D5%u05D7%u05E8
Re Early translations of Shakespeare to Hebrew and their availability in the Eastern European Chasidic world, see Fred MacDowell's post here: http://onthemainline.blogspot.com/2010/11/first-hebrew-translation-of-hamlets-to.html Kol tuv, Ariel Segal
"How did RYY of Skver know about Shakespeare?!"
The question was how did "RYY" know! not Bobov or Muzshoi veculu..
my shtetele belz 🎺🎵🎻 in new square..
https://youtu.be/49AgLsbFGtU
nu, how did yosef hatzadig knew 70 languages? could it be the same angel who teached yosef, also knew the shakespeare macbeth languages? and was send to RYY !
kike take a hike, find another poor soul to pester, Yom Tov Ehrlich is a legend in spirit and soul and a playwright, (I used to listen him humming in stoluner shul on Romney st) all songwriters play with words, few bring them alive.
KikesOnBikes: "Yom Tov not so Ehrlich"
In defense of yom-tov-ehlich the original composer!
http://www.kaveshtiebel.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4286
even hew new of Shakespeare I'm sure it was b'salted beyond trief
"הרבי הראשון דבאבוב באמעריקא, דר לאיזה שנים אחר המלחמה בלאנדאן, והיה מהיודעים המשחק "הסוחר מוונציה" כידוע ליודעים"
the Bobover ruv certainly knew about the Merchant of Venice from Zevins sefer Lor Halacha where he discusses it in light of Halacha
כמה גדול הרבי, תורה הוא ונלמד הוא צריך
What am i missing here? Is it a big avla to have heard of Shakespeare?
Heshy, we've discussed numerous times your penchant to attack Skver, whether its via emails you "got" or otherwise.
Pot calling kettle black?
There is much in Lubavitch which carries similarities to its fellow Russian chasidic hoyf
Kol uman soneh ben umnosoi?
yum: "Kol 'uman' soneh ben umnosoi?"
The whole "uman" mamesh?
Yom Tov
"Heshy, we've discussed numerous times your penchant to attack Skver, whether its via emails you "got" or otherwise."
who is the "WE"
.. ואלו הן הפסולים - לדון ולהעיד
ברטנורא: המשחק בקוביא - פסול לעדות. לפי שאינו מתעסק בישובו של עולם, "ואסור לאדם שיתעסק בעולמו אלא או בתורה וגמילות חסדים, או בסחורה ואומנות" ומלאכה שיש בהן ישובו של עולם
Anonymous Thursday, September 08, 2016 "in the sefer ויהי בנסוע which is the written account of the "first" נסיעה of the bobover rebbe -- he told the chasidim that Iam the merchant of Venice"
ויסעו מהר ד' היה הנסיעה הראשונה, "ויהי בנסוע" כבר היה הנסיעה השניה
רש"י ויהי בנסוע הארון. עשה לו סימניות מלפניו ומלאחריו לומר שאין זה מקומו, ולמה נכתב כאן כדי להפסיק בין פורענות לפורענות
במדרש: שנסעו מהר סיני בשמחה כתינוק הבורח מבית הספר, אמרו שמא ירבה ויתן לנו מצות, וזהו "ויסעו" מהר ה' . ויסעו היה הפורעניות הראשונה, והשניה היה ויהי בנסוע הארון
Shakespeare is for actors and teachers! or rebbes!
hmaryles says:
"Oh, I absolutely agree that studying Shakespeare is valuable in its own right. You forget that I am an adherent of Torah U'mada. I was just countering Mr. Stall's point that secular education is useless in terms making a living unless you become an actor or teacher. .. pointing out that Shakespeare is not the sum and substance of a secular education."
Please have a look at the index of the library in 770. You might be surprised by the ammount of secular literature ( novels, poetry etc ) to be found there.
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"How did RYY of Skver know about Shakespeare?!"
who said he did. who?
This is strange when I was young i over heard people joking about the rebbe's and the merchant of venice, curious what's this all about..!? I inquired about it and got to know of Shakespeare the shylock in my discovery process, that shizer didn't come up into my mind until this lamb broke her silence here, and bought up these dudes at once as a topic.
אסור לכתוב בחול המועד אלא אם כן לאחת משלוש סיבות: א) "דבר האבד". ב) צורכי רבים. ג) צורך המועד
אין אונגארן עסט מען פארקעס, אין פוילן עסן די יידן כאלאפטשעס, אין דער אוקראינע עסט מען איין ביישפיל איז גארשיצע (ניט צום פארמישן מיט גראשיצע!) אבער לחיים גראביצע? ווייס איך נישט
הרשב"ם התייחס בשלילה לספרים החיצוניים, וכתב "אין לחוש לספרים חיצונים", אך מאידך גיסא, הביע הרמב"ן דווקא יחס חיובי אליהם, ובהקדמתו לפירוש התורה הוא מביא קטעים מספר חכמת שלמה, שהיה מצוי אצלו ככל הנראה בתרגומם הסורי
Belzer Mashkil
in Belz even 8 perokim was too sophisticated... whoever learned was blacklisted...
ארטסקרול החליטו למחוק את כל דברי רשב"ם ה"בעייתיים" בנוגע לתחילת וסיום היום. פשוט השמיטו חלקים מפירוש הרשב"ם ממהדורת מקראות גדולות שלהם
לדעתי יש לחשוש שמא חלו ידי קראים בדברי הרשב"ם, כידוע
"How did RYY of Skver know about Shakespeare?!"
Examine the ways in which Shakespeare uses language in Macbeth to create characters, atmosphere and horror. to fit a 'square' peg in a round hole.
so that's why they became maskilim.
Shvantz
"לדעתי יש לחשוש שמא חלו ידי קראים בדברי הרשב"ם, כידוע"
I think they try to show a Kosher Chazer Fisel
..and Yiddish Theater plays on Friday evenings.
I think they try to show a Kosher Chazer Fisel
Can the Ruv show his כח דהיתרא on this chazerei?
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