One thing the Satmare Yidden know how to do: Parlor meetings and luncheons. Just kidding. What we have here is what you might call Hakoras HaTov. many Satmare Yidden, including the Satmar Rebbe past and present, spend some of their winter vacation time in sunny Palm Springs, California. They spend their days and weeks at the Beis Chabad in Palm Springs, under the leadership of Harav Yonoson Denebeim, enjoying the minyonim there, yet maintaining their lifestyle. Reb Shlomo of Bobov would spend weeks there during the winter, as does the Munkatcher, Pupa, and others. For them Palm Springs is paradise, as it should be; There you can relax, and live your life just like regular people do, with very minor differences. Well, maybe they wouldn't shpatzir with the Rebbetzin like normal people do, and maybe they wouldn't walk the roads wearing white sneakers, but life there is toned down considerably.
Most Rebbes are very makpid to continue the traditions of their forefathers, at least in the vacation minhogim they are. After a month of davenen for the amud and dancing hakafos most Rebbes need a month in Palm Springs or Miami. The latter is maybe too close to home, and there are way too many Jews there, so Palm Springs is a favorite among some of the Rebbes. Rabbi Denebeim gives them all that they need; a shul stocked with seforim, kosher food, and best of all, a yiddishe sevivah where they can sit and tell chassidishe stories to either old rich men or young rich men, without the nosy Brooklyn people sticking their noses in. This is no small feat, and the Hakoras HaTov shows how appreciative they are for all that he does. Most frum gevirim and businessmen I know, who travel to the Far East and other off the beaten path places, and who have their Judaism provided for by the Chabad Shliach are very proud of their guys, and they usually show the proper recognition and appreciation.
in case you ask why it takes a few non-Lubavitcher rich ones to support a Chabad shliach, and where is the help from his brothers, and what a disgrace it is that he can't get help from within his own community, remember this: There are thousands of Chabad shluchim that run institutions, and for most Lubavitchers he'd be just another shliach. For the yid who for the most part his Tzedokoh consists of Hachnosas Kallah and Yeshivos, this is unique, and he's excited to give to a cause that he doesn't usually give to. Try it yourself and you'll see how right I am in this regard. The same goes for the opposite; if a shliach comes to one of the few gevirim that Lubavitch has, and asks for a donation, he might get a few dollars, but the excitement just isn;t there for him, he has hundreds of these, like Boro Parkers have Yerushalayimer asking for Hachnosas Kallah. Ask him to give to unique Tzvek and he'll give as well.
Mi KeAmcho Yisroel!
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Vehr Veist. They may be cousins. Denenbeim and Teitelbeim.
Denenbaum what tree is it in the english language
it's Denebeim, not denebaum.
Anything with the tree family? you need a good Yidishist to crack the code
To open up a can of worms, what exactly was the relationship between R. Yoilish and the last 2 Lubavitcher Rebbes? I have to believe that R. Yoilish wasn't amused by the friendliness shown by the last Rebbe to Shazar and other Zionists. Does anyone know the details?
In recent months I have read of several efforts by Satmar to support Lubavitcher Mosdos like Miknaaos in China and the Chabad house in Palm Springs.
Have we witnessed the Messianic age ?
I doubt it; that will come when an organized group of Lubavitchers support some Satmar mosed like BIkkur Cholim or some other Charedi mosad like Masbia or R. Halberstam's hachnosas Orchim in BP or Shimmy Deutsch's Oneg Shabbat etc.
Since in most instances the Chabad mosdos in question were not started with the intention of servicing Satmar people, I give these Satmarer lots of credit, but where is reciprocity ?
This is not a "satmarer" effort to support Lubavitch, it's an individual effort by some in Satmar. The reciprocity is there already.
Schneur
When Gutnick was pouring the millions he was giving to every Jew,
Tzig. You can not have it both ways. If its not organized why are you writing about it (and why print the caption from the Hebrew newspaper which says the oposite of what you say) whats the big deal ?I presume throughout the past 50 years aome Satmarer like Israel Zupnik and Reb Fish Moskowitz (he was a major supporter of the Rayaatz when he first came to CH) gave money to Lubavitch and Tomche Tmimmim, if its organized then my question stands, when was the last time a parlor meeting was held in CH for lets say the Satmarer Bikkur Cholim or mikveh in Bayswater ?
A teitelbaum is a 'palm' tree. Is that the connection to Palm Springs?
I know RAbbi Denenbeim. He's a fiery and knowledgable red-headed and red-bearded Rav. He's a great person and I'm not surprised that he's shown kindness to different types of Yidden who come to visit, and has not been parochial with whom he does chasodim. Yasher koach Rabbi Denenbeim!
-Dixie Yid
A mikva in Bayswater is not a klal Yisroel issue, Bikur Cholim you have a point, But I recallthat the Rebbe was personally supporting the Helmetzer Rov until he went ballistic against the Rebbe Reshabs Mikva because he had to get to get even for some personal reasons with The Sigeter Rov at that time
Maybe somebody should open a proper shul there?
Where they daven to the Aibishter not to a grave in Queens.
right! let's start the Palm Springs Community Kolel there! Oh, I forgot, they only go to convenient places....
Schneur
I wouldn't label Fiesh Moskowitz a Satmarer Chosid, he is less Satmarer then the Boyaner Wassner that were friendly with Fiege Titelbaum
The Satmarer Gevirim were the Bergers , Scher from London Kohn from Canada
they are very picky where there money goes,
Zupnik was the Satmarer gvir in the US with the Heh hayedia until his death. So its interesting to hear a Chasid of Chabad say that a mikve in Bayswater is not a klal israel thing, but every 2 bit Chabad house or cheder in Hotz aplotz has mailing demanding support . Why does Ohale Tore fund raise across the board, is it klal Israel? Since when is the Chabad house a klal Israel thing ?
Is the Satmar school system a klal israel thing. ?
I stil have no reply to my question about a Chabad parlor meeting to support a Satmar organization.
Excuse my cynicism , but because of the predominance of shluchim in Chabad they the Chabad community has become a community with the mentality of schnorrers . I also recall what rabbi Schwei of CH had to say in a telephon erecording about the number of gvirim in CH...
Few gvirim that Lubavitch has , shall I (who has been out of the loop from Chabad at least 20 yeats) start listing them .... I think its time that Lubavitch stopped pleading poverty and support its own mosdos instead of crawling to every sort of Metzora to give money.But there are some good psychological reasons for this too.
There is a Crown Heights chapter of the Rofeh Cholim Cancer Society, a Satmar Organization, you might say.
Chabad Houses are definitley as Klal Yisroel as Oorah, Shuvu, Lev Leachim and the very important institution Rav Tov. For the last 3 decades they didn't stop schnoring.
Bayswater is a new Charidei development that R' Aron Titelbaum wants to claim as his turf in the tribal war, his Gevir Rosenberg is putting up a massive Shul for 20 yungeliet, stop bringing up the name Bayswater, get yourself a other town that is in need of a mikva.
I hope that your list doesn't include Berel Weiss of LA that his house is a open house for the last Forty years for every Jew unless you are an official anti Chabadnik or Levieyov
How many institutions do you know that Zupnik (may he rest in peace)was involved besides Satmar? Obviously after he left the Klauseburger Rov ZT"L and the old Tzelemer ZT"L
In Argentina, LUb and Satmarers have a good friendship
Most of my friends from KY, love Chabadsters, we make jokes, sometimes have a little fun, but we love Lubs and respect the Lub Rebbe.
when we travel , we call Shluchim, and daven in their shuls
i always read the comments with much interest and i find schneur always has much historical knowledge. this time he is totally not attune with reality. every lubavicher bal tzdoka gives money to everyone. i can tell you that in my city we have average 10-15meshulochim every week- hardly any lubavichers. most of my choimesh goes to these meshulochim. the frum community in the city is mainly lubavich and ask any meshulach about lubavichers supporting them and you will hear the answer. anyone who knows about the lub gvirim like gutnick or berl weiss know how much they give all groups.
as far as reciprocating - the satmars who support lubavich do so because of the tremendous benefit and services that they get from chabad and in essence its like supporting their own shule. the many satmar busnessmen who travel there have all their religious needs taken care of. as a matter of fact, when the shliach from china came to NY, satmar orgonised a special kabolas ponim for him in williamsburg as a sign of hakoras hatov.
>here you can relax, and live your life just like regular people do<
I don't know what planet these Elites live on, but I'm too busy working and paying bills to be jetting around to tropical vacation spots!
They only go to convinient places u say just typical immature talk.Is minnisota convinient is ottawa convinient is perth australia conveniant is bucks county convinient amd wat abt so. ben indiana so be4 you spout ur nonsence y dont u first out FACTS.And by the way when u start a kollel u need an existing community 2 support whilea a shliach has all day 2 raise money from any shaigetz he finds.
clarifying, Shneur is clear on general Jewish history, he is extremely biased (and incorrectly so) on the Rebbe and the previous Rebbe. You can see this for yourself by reading his online comments made over the last years.
schneur
try and be a bit more sincere, please. The ratio of gevirim to stam baaleibatim in Satmar is 50 times greater; there are hundreds of them in the ranks of Satmar. In Lubavitch there are a handful.
VeAmeich kulom tzadikim. Some give tzedoko and some don't. The Lubabs don't have to cry poverty. There's LOADS of $ there. They just weren't trained to give, yet. They do a good job taking... just like everyone else, and better. Maybe the Satmareres can make a Telethon for the Mikva in Bayswater. I'm sure Hollywood would support a Mikvah.
What a SHANDEH for Chassidus - how low can you get - to go to the scum of the earth, to raise money for dvorim sh'bekedusha? H' Yeracheim! Men zol shoin kumein tzum sechel.
FYI - Zupnik never left the old Tzelemer ZT"L. And he gave to many other mosdos as well.
אינני רואה בזה במה "סאטמאר למען חב"ד" בסך הכל עושים מסיבת הכרת הטוב ליהודי שמסייע להרבי מסאטמאר, יהי' מי שיהי', אבל בשום אופן אין סאטמאר מכיר את חסידת חב"ד שהרב מוואידסלב זצ"ל, חבר התאחדות הרבנים, התבטא עליהם שדתיהם דומה ביותר לדתי עם היהודי
זכותו של כ"ק הגה"ק ציס"ע מוואוידיסלאב שליט"א להגיד מה שהוא רוצה, אבל תשאל את יהודי בארא פארק מה חושבים עליו.......
אויך מיר א בר דעה
The Tzig is right that Crown Heights has supported a Rofeh Cholim institution that pays health insurance premiums .It is not a 'satmar' institution though the people who run it may be Satmar, and the reason Lubavitchers helped was because of the great help this organization did for a Lubavitcher shaliach, so it's similar to the parlor meeting a Satmar guy was organizing for Palm Springs.
I used to work as a meshiluchem driver and can tell you that Crown Heights had no addresses.Basically most Lubavitchers are very tight when it comes to giving,even to there own moisdos.As Schneour said when you build up a schnorrer mentality it difficult to be a giver.Btw, there are quite a few Lubavitchers who have been very succesful, though you'd never know it by the way they dressed!
I have actually noticed a couple of modern Lubavitchers who went thru the system but now shave that have stepped up to the plate for their local shaliach!I guess since they lack the chitzoiniyus, they feel the need to actually do!
Ah kitzer, though Lubavitch does a lot of good, their own giving needs to be worked on.
shulem
we respect your opinion, but let's set one thing straight: This has nothing to do with mentalities and such, and please don't blame the lack of addresses on the lack of giving. There's a lack of posters about community events in Crown heights too, who do we blame that on?
By the way; how many non-Hungarian addresses do you know of? Very few, I would say. I don't mean to single out any particular groups here, but you get my drift.
Even Berel Weiss is a Hungarian. And a geshmaker.
90% or more of Lubs gvirim are not frum
LUB FFB if they have money, they will help a relative shaliach or a local Moisad
LUB BT,have a brainwashed idea to give only to LUB,but later they stop supporting shluchim (when they see that they have better cars,better house,shicksah, and the all family trips to NY back and forth,etc)
Outside Lub.Only for a Satmar bikur choilim or to a very transpartent INstitution they will give
Guravitzer- i have picked up on Shneurs biasies in regards to chabad today
Its amazing how the Baal Moeach as the Vodislover that was the poilishe Talmud Chochom, got into the Satmar shita nonsense and left himself a name as prestigious as Sender Deutsch with his cute foolish jokes, what a waste of a life to spent it for a Hashgoche on GF orange juice, that was robbed by CRC after he died
oh wait i think i remembered something i learned in Yeshivah..... hrrrm something about עניי עירך
come first, Lubavitch givirim help thousands of shluchim around the world, get it straight we have not 20/30 moisdos we have THOUSANDS!!!!!!!!! a little help from satmar cant hurt.... thats besides the fact that most Lubavitchers are shluchim and not businessmen, without putting anyone else down there is a yissochor and there is a zevulun..... vd"l
Hirshel Tzig,
HT,
“There is a Crown Heights chapter of the Rofeh Cholim Cancer Society,”
I did not see this reported, but the Satmar Rebetzin was in CH last month, and spoke at one of the meetings (She was not introduced as the Rebetzin)
Who do YOU give tzedaka too?
I can bet that you give to an orginazation that has touched you in some way. If you or a family member have been ill C"V you give to Rofeh Cholim. If your child has special needs, you give to Friendship Circle, or HASC. If you live in Lakewood, you support the community mosdos. and if your brother (biological or otherwise) is a shliach you give him money.
What's so surprising about that?
The previous Satmar Rebbe, Reb Yoilish, taught his chassidim az men dar helfen a tzeiter yid. This legacy is very powerful today, nearly 30 years after his histalkus. The flip side is that they will help people on a personal issue (wedding, illness R"L, orphans L"O), however they generally will not support an institution ourside their own. For Palm Springs and the Beijing mikva it is thanks for service they received. Chabad Chassidim (I'm one myself) are 180 degrees from this. They will help moisdos, chabad houses, but for personal issues they don't relate unfortunately. Bottom line, don't knock Satmar for the good they do for people on a 1-to-1 basis, umeihem yiru v'chein ya'asu.
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