Wednesday, May 23, 2018

My friends, The לעז on the FR didn't start in New York about Shanghai....

What we have here is a letter from the Gaon Reb Chaim Ozer zt"l to Rav Shmuel Yitzchok Hilman Hilman of London (Chief Rabbi Herzog's shver) asking him to intercede on behalf of the 3 Million Jews living under the Soviet regime. Seems part of the issue was that people were hesitant to give or help, since people said that the Frierdiger Rebbe focuses on helping his own Chassidim. As if that's a crime. But Reb Chaim calls it a לעז - i.e. to defame him. So what was the issue back in 1929? What excuse did they have back then? The letter is part of a greater dossier (!) of letters found in the State of Israel archives.




20 comments:

Chalmers said...

Fascinating.
How did you come across this dossier?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

I'd like to say that it was good detective work/journalism, but it's out there for the taking

Anonymous said...

And then he still gave them money later on by the chasuna of his youngest daughter. and they still punched him back later. oh wow.

bored stiff said...

I may be off point, but seeing him mentioned in the letter and having recently read a documentary about him, can anyone explain why Rabbi Shmaryahu Gurary (the older son in law) wasn't appointed Rebbe after the Raayatz's passing. It's even more interesting considering the fact that he was considered closer and more devouted to his father in law (with RM'M not even living in the area while RS'G lived with the Rayaatz. Is it simply because RM'M was more suited to the job or was there deeper politics involved?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

yes. more suited for the "job."

Anonymous said...

"As if that's a crime." Funny, when the yeshivos allegedly gave precedence to their students the Libavitchers called it murder. As usual with Chabad, bias is only okay when it's slanted their way....

Anonymous said...

He is called the Rav From Lubavitch. Interesting.

yomtov said...

interesting letter. Why though, the negativity in the post? Focus on R'Chaim Ozers warm words, instead of anonymous accusations.

Eliezer Eisenberg said...

Thank you for posting this. My father told me that a Soviet officer came to where he was staying with Reb Chaim Stein and Reb Chaim Shachnovitz and Reb Meir Zelig Karnovitz and others in Samarkhand, and they were all terrified that they were about to be arrested. The officer handed them an envelope from the FR with money. To see the endless traduction and calumny is so painful.

fact checker said...

years ago the Algemiener printed a thank you letter of reb aron kotler to the the rebbe rayatz for his donating money for the yeshiva in Kletzk

Tziki kedera said...

Once i asked rav yehoshea mondshine זצ׳ל about חי אלול...where is the first mention of it... he told me from the FR...

עבד עברי said...

! עבדות אני נותן לכם

א"ל (ר יהושע) עד שאתה תמה עלי תמה על שני תלמידים שיש לך ביבשה רבי אלעזר חסמא ורבי יוחנן בן גודגדא שיודעין לשער כמה טפות יש בים ואין להם פת לאכול ולא בגד ללבוש נתן דעתו להושיבם בראש כשעלה שלח להם ולא באו חזר ושלח ובאו אמר להם כמדומין אתם "ששררה אני נותן לכם עבדות אני נותן לכם" שנאמר (מלכים א יב, ז) וידברו אליו לאמר אם היום תהיה עבד לעם הזה. -הוריות י

Echod said...

So why did he stop helping when he arrived in America?

Anonymous said...

Let's see. Reb Chaim Ozer collected money and passed it through the hands of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, so the credit can be used by the hangers on of his party 90 years later. RCOG did not really have a party, so nobody is screaming about his accomplishments.

I have a new found appreciation for the middos of RCOG, the true נשיא הדור by any yardstick

Poe said...

When the Rebbe came back from his tziyun visits with answers from his fil, Rashag said 'he hears the answers, I don't'.
So he became Rebbe. Because it's not about a 'job', it's about hearing the voice(s).

זלמן ליב said...

To mr anonymous claiming chabad has a double standard, it shows you dont get it. The crime wasnt that he took care of his own first. The crime was that he distributed to all the yeshivos, with the deliberate exclusion of chabad. That is what is decried as murder.
Unfortunately some members of the satmar community are sucking up to his grandson in lakewood.

even steven said...

and some they say are sucking up to the Lubavitchers..

עם לועז said...

hirshel: "The לעז on the FR"

א יוד קרעכעטץ ניט בחינם - אבער דאגות אבער כינים. ב'לעז

Berel said...

When the Rebbe came back from his tziyun visits with answers from his fil, Rashag said 'he hears the answers, I don't'.
So he became Rebbe. Because it's not about a 'job', it's about hearing the voice(s).


How is going a cemetary to hear voices not "Doresh El H'Masim" R'L?

מה נשמע said...

קול "ברמה נשמע", נהי בכי תמרורים, רחל מבכה על בניה וגו' כה אמר ה' מנעי קולך מבכי וגו' ויש תקוה לאחריתך וגו