Just finished my stint at DovBear.The place is a crazy conglomeration of apikursim,liberals,left wingers,"intellectuals". rationalists,Meshichistin,antis,Haskoliniks,Off the wall Lubavitch haters and every flavor of meshugas you can think of.I'm of to the mikveh.I feel violated.
Dov Ber is a lubavitcher shliach
i find it very hard to believe that rav moshe said that. you will need a source to convince me.
I've listened to it a few times but I can't make out the mamor Chazal he quotes at the begining as a joke.
Tzig,I think you misunderstood what R' Moshe meant (and by the way he was a Rosh Hayeshiva as well). I think he was lamenting the loss of a Rabbonus and the ultimate would be that we had true Rabbonim but unfortunately this has not been the case for a long time. In other words he wasn't saying that the RY shouldn't be in charge and the Rabbonim in America should be in charge. He was saying that the ultimate would be if people would listen to Rabbonim. Unfortunately this has not been the case for a long time. I once heard from an Adam Gadol that in the Mapecha of the First World War when a lot of Yidden moved around (and multiple countries changed borders etc.) at that point Rabbonus was lost in Klal Yisroel. If we had Rabbonim like the Telzer Rov, I don't think we would be running to Rosh Hayeshivos. The Telzer Rov (also a RY by the way) was feared, held in awe even by the Goyim in the town. After WW I it was a different ball game and there is no choice but to go to who the people respect which today is the RY they learnt by.
Rav Elyashiv celebrates his Yom Huledes. So it's not just Lubavitch, or R' Moshe?http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=26488&cat=6&scat=40-- Truth be told, there are seforim, which bring many mekoros for celebrating Yom Huledes, amongst them a Lubavitch one (Yom Malkeinu IIRC?).
un contrast to belz there is no such recordings, though from bobov i have a tape of a meeting of satmer rebbi the holy tzaddik reb shlomo of bobov and reb moshe sherer, very cute and intresting, everybody is quite blunt.belz rebbies were very strict with and how they spoke. it depended i guess ere you lived and how big the village or town was.
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Just finished my stint at DovBear.The place is a crazy conglomeration of apikursim,liberals,left wingers,"intellectuals". rationalists,Meshichistin,antis,Haskoliniks,Off the wall Lubavitch haters and every flavor of meshugas you can think of.I'm of to the mikveh.I feel violated.
Dov Ber is a lubavitcher shliach
i find it very hard to believe that rav moshe said that. you will need a source to convince me.
I've listened to it a few times but I can't make out the mamor Chazal he quotes at the begining as a joke.
Tzig,
I think you misunderstood what R' Moshe meant (and by the way he was a Rosh Hayeshiva as well). I think he was lamenting the loss of a Rabbonus and the ultimate would be that we had true Rabbonim but unfortunately this has not been the case for a long time. In other words he wasn't saying that the RY shouldn't be in charge and the Rabbonim in America should be in charge. He was saying that the ultimate would be if people would listen to Rabbonim. Unfortunately this has not been the case for a long time. I once heard from an Adam Gadol that in the Mapecha of the First World War when a lot of Yidden moved around (and multiple countries changed borders etc.) at that point Rabbonus was lost in Klal Yisroel. If we had Rabbonim like the Telzer Rov, I don't think we would be running to Rosh Hayeshivos. The Telzer Rov (also a RY by the way) was feared, held in awe even by the Goyim in the town. After WW I it was a different ball game and there is no choice but to go to who the people respect which today is the RY they learnt by.
Rav Elyashiv celebrates his Yom Huledes. So it's not just Lubavitch, or R' Moshe?
http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=26488&cat=6&scat=40
-- Truth be told, there are seforim, which bring many mekoros for celebrating Yom Huledes, amongst them a Lubavitch one (Yom Malkeinu IIRC?).
un contrast to belz there is no such recordings, though from bobov i have a tape of a meeting of satmer rebbi the holy tzaddik reb shlomo of bobov and reb moshe sherer, very cute and intresting, everybody is quite blunt.
belz rebbies were very strict with and how they spoke. it depended i guess ere you lived and how big the village or town was.
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