Monday, April 18, 2011

דער חסיד'ס געבעט


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This Brisker guy goes to bake matzoh - he drives the whole place nuts. The water is too warm, the flour is too wet, the oven is too cool. Every chumra and then some is on this guy's list. Finally he gets a teygel of dough and it's moist, so he throws it out, followed by 23 more teyglach. After a while he gets the dough he wants, rolls it perfectly to shiur, and repeats this 15 times and produces 15 matzos, of which he decides 12 are not worthy. So he leaves with his 3 matzos and heads to the Griz's (Der Rov) house for final approval of his charred ash matzos. On the way he meets a chusid who has a box of freshly baked matzos. He says to the chusid: "nu, which chumros did you use in baking your matzos?" The chusid looks at the Brisker and admits that he had no chumros, but he says "this morning I said tehilim that Hashem should make sure I get only kosher matzos." The Brisker is so touched by the chusid's faith that he says "Gevalt, I want such holy matzos please switch with me." The chusid gladly obliges the Brisker and swaps with him. Later the Brisker tells the Brisker Rov the whole story to which the Rov replies: "the chusid davened well so he got your kosher Matzo, you on the other hand have chametz."

א כשר'ן פרייליכן פסח

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

why is the guy in back of reb duved smirking? isnt it the yosoid of Brisk to be Ungeshtregt?

Anonymous said...

Cute story but is this what G-d wants? Spending hours to make 3 matzos or your life savings on an esrog, when others are starving?

Anonymous said...

the story is a story with r' moshe leib sasover, that after baking his matzois with all the chumrois he met a yid in the street and switched his matzois with him, and when he was asked why he replied that the yid had davend last night for good koshere matzois and being that the tfile of a poshete yid is alway niskayem i wanted his matzois.
when they told this to the brisker rov he said "the biggest raye that his tfile was indeed noskayem is that he got r' moshe leib's matzois..."

Anonymous said...

To anonymous Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:24:00 AM

I hope you're in a different time zone than me.

I think Hashem wants us to care about doing it right. Getting carried away may not be the way, but wanting to serve Hashem and caring about mitzvos IS the point.

BTW, if I spent less on an esrog, how will it feed starving people? If I care about another yid like Hashem shows us, then I give tzedoko, no matter how much I spent on my esrog. (Check out the charity donations of the President and vice president. they just want to force ME to help out the poor on THEIR terms.)

Mordechai Tzion said...

The actual maaseh is recorded in Peninei Ha-Griz. See here where it is mentioned:
http://nifloh.blogspot.com/2009/11/brisker-maatzos.html

bobov chusid said...

this story with whoever is truly accored, is no difference, but let me explain to you a brief of history, for example in very small muddy area, a peice of land of just a few acres called belz, galiziya, they had no money poor they ha a small tiny oven, the rav would hand out at times a matzoh and a half. for others he would give a second whole matzoh. unlike today where it became a "malchus" (kingdom). it changed the look at this glorified chassidic sect.
others in contrast like bobov skulen burshtien rachmistrivka skulen you say the past thru the present.

Anonymous said...

The whole nerven of Brisk can only be located at Reb Dovid's school. Reb Berel Zl and at Reb AY it's a very relaxed atmospher.

Tzig. This Bobover nutcase is driving evrey one crazy with his Belzer stuff. It's time you pull the plug from this troll.

Anonymous said...

I heard this story in a different vein, that R' Velvel after baking his matzos met a poshute yid and he asked about his hiddurim in making matzos. The yid told him the line about being mispallel, and i think my matzos are kosher etc. R' Velvel thought about it and decided that since aid echad nemon b'issurim, he traded the matzah with him. When he came home, his father told him "yene yid's tefillos zenen niskabel gevoren"

Anonymous said...

The apparent monopoly on ahavas yisrol by certain
Kreizn begs the following questions. Where are the
Bikur Cholims the hot food to hospitals? Where are their
Tomchei Shabbos Gmillas Chesed orgs?
Chesed Shell Emess? In which kreizn was Hatzolo started?
.where is the help org to find the
right doc? Hospital? You'll find tzedoko
in all kreizn BH. But how can these
folks crow and preen as if
Tohn far idns vegn is "their thing"
To fan out into the steets and prostletize is
not a new concept to anyone who's
been to middle america. Its quite common
to be approached by a sincere evangelist to save your soul.
That's different than the central concept
of ahavas yisrol to assist any jew baasher hoo shom. Evangelism is about saving
people to reach a goal( first coming 2nd or 3rd..)
Its not about helping your" target"
just grabbing his soul to reach
the goal of "yochuf" and the rest. Ask any
Lubavitcher baal tshuva about the disinterest in their needs
Once they became frum. The main thing is that the "cause"
has one more soul.
Vintage Yiddishe ahavas yisrol always
meant helfn a yid BGASHMIYUS.
Un eyb shoyn yeh achinuch
in tzdoko- idos az miz yoytze mit
ein eintzikn dollar?

BelzFinAMool said...

All I can say is "If there's no frishe milch, it will be Zenga Zenga Dar Dar, as the Yoshvim used to say.

pitputim said...

Anonymous is right. Whenever these kreizen come to my door asking for money, we give them.

In Melbourne there was a famous incident. Normally, the Satmerer and Belzer and wheteverer come to every other shule to collect. Once someone came to their shule to collect (they have one shule where they all daven together). Nothing was given by any of them to the local collectors! As the collectors were about to leave, the Rov realising what had happened called them back and then made all the ahavas yisroeler chassidim give.
Isaac Balbin

Anonymous said...

My point is the first bikur cholim al admas
America was founded by rebtzn Alte feige
Teitelbaum AH. R Chaim brisker lived in
a house that was never locked and
encouraged orimeliet to live in his
home keodom ho'oyse btoych sheloy. His father the
bais halevy said der iker ufgabbe fun rov
is nit paskinen shayles nor shtitzn
di orimelietin shtot. How do missionary
messianism and its Founder measure up ?

Anonymous said...

R Chaim brisker was mgadl countless
illegitimate children left at night at his doorstep. The maynekess
he hired once snapped at him that she "darf gibn
Tzu zeygn alle mamzerim fun shtot vos
Der rov nemt tzu zich arayn?" He asked her not
To zeyg then vail az mrekt zach vert dos kalye
un sken gor shatn farn kind.

Anonymous said...

Anon
Long time no see
"To fan out into the steets and prostletize is
not a new concept to anyone who's
been to middle america. Its quite common
to be approached by a sincere evangelist to save your soul."
Is only Sinas Yisroel allowed to be proseltyze on the Midtown or DC streets, can Klal yisroel evangelize only Sinas yisroel on Radio and NYT.
Ahat a idiotoic statement.
Lately it was posted that Reb Hilel Kolomayer(founder of Hungarian Kanoyes) went to proseltyze in front of universities his ahavas yisroel. His Mussar sermons he left for the interior of the shul.
BTW, there are Tomche Shabos,Hachnosas Kala Organizations in many Chabad Kehilas, there was lately a big write up om a woman in CH that weds off people, in NYT.I assume that Satmar does it much better, Did anyone say that Satmar is Potter from doing chesed, whats your hangover here?
Can I say that Hamas/Hizbula is doing Chesed better then satmar? or as a Jew 2 days after the Seder Nacht, we have to know a difference between Chamas and evengelicals and Bnie Keil Chai? and not say Haloli Ovdie Avoda zora .....

BelzFinAMool said...

The way I understand it, Brisker Rov was very different from his father R'Chaim, in many ways.
Also, his father was very demanding of BR, testing his tolerance and patience by keeping an open house of Tzi'Dreite Chevra.
Any know something along these lines?

Anonymous said...

Anon Friday, April 22, 2011 10:12:00 AM
Shvacher response. Chabad 'also' does tzdoko vochesed?
What happened to cutting edge frontline
AhavasChinom? If they were- then you could argue
that hafotzas Hamayonos is part of their
burning Ahavas Yisroel. But in reality the discrepacy is huge as far as interest and effort
Btw where are the Chesed Mosdos in CH?
The poor live their lives there in depression.
The oblogatory fading yellow Moshiach flags that
droop from their poles too threadbare to flap in the wind
are so symbolic no commentary is required.
The comparison to Chamas is what I'd
expect from an old shul yid circa 1975
still enamored with "our Golda".

farkosh said...

intresting article in 'ami' magazine about chassidim that dont eat matzohs at all the entire yom tov except at the seder. did this chumrah register in brisk?

bobov chusid,
you know more about belz it seems than bobov, because bobov was not like lublin or lodz, i dont know where you get your information, but they are wrong.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"What happened to cutting edge frontline
AhavasChinom?"
since I am a old shul yid, explain me theese psuedo shophisticated hollow words.

Anonymous said...

Anon
your analogies are a 1 way street, bringing Jews back from the street is mamesh mamesh accurate evengalical, but satmar tzedoka is no comparison to Hamas/ Muslim Brotherhood social program. Just FYI that all this islamist social program trend started after Golda, it statrted in the Birech Moshe era, look it up in Umoshe Hoyu Roeh vol 64.

Anonymous said...

Great blog keep up the great work!@!!!!!!


A Talmid in Chasan SOfer

Anonymous said...

Question - how many Rebbes
among those that champion Ahavas
Yisroel have been known to apologize when they offended someone. Admit they were wrong.
The SR was busy being Mfayes people constantly. Don't
give me the easy oneliner that he
had what to apologize for.(BTW the sigeter
belongs squarely in the oyhev yisroel section..) Anyone
close to the the Rebbes marketed
as loving smiling fuzzballs
knew there were 'down times'. (where can I get the
R' Grushka Kahana video by the
Dollars ? Re sleeping in succa and
"ich veys er hut ...zechtzn million shekl").
How many stories of
bakoshas mechila are there of them?
I rememberhearing that there was a bochur in
Brisk RAY gave
Kovod Melochim because he said RAY was
Poygea in him Shloy Khoygen. RAY admitted
the avla. If you really love
Jews and your proffession is being
Marbitz Torah then being wrong won't
cost you. But if your bread and
butter is an image of
all merciful maximum leader ala Uncle
Joe then it won't do.
The brisker Rov once said" az a mentch heypt on mit mir
reydn fun ahavas yisrol veys ich az faynt hot er
drei zachn:dem Rbeyneshleylom di Teyre
un yetvidn ehrlichn yid"

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Mr. anonymous

I feel bad for you. I really do. To walk around your whole life with that perception must be truly awful.

Chaval.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

so Brisk gets mileage from Reb Chaim's chesed? what chesed did Reb Velvel do? which Bikur Cholim did Avrohom Yehoshua set up?

Anonymous said...

The comparison to chamas also belies a lack of study re Midas HaChesed
All the more so in Toras Chabad ( Maybe its only Dach from Dor Hashishi ULFonov)
The Musag of Chesed Leumim Chattoss.
R Simcha Kaplan zl tzfaser Rov related how as a bocher being on the ship with the Brisker rov
Kashrus of food was not good. The group watched the sailors catching fish. They aked to buy it and a new pot. One of the sailors said I'll ever cook it for you
They told this to the BR but he didn't look happy
The sailor who made the offer then called R Simcha aside and said afn poylishn nussach: Vus hosti Moyre far Beshilai Akim Yach bin doch a Yiddish kind! And pulled out his tzitzis
The BR's face upon hearing this beamed withh joy "dos hot mir takke giart vos iz shayich ba a goy aza middas hachesed
Its impossible for Chamas to be gomley chesed its all about recruting
Now if you want to say something simmilar re Satmar fine. But then who's the Soyne Yisrol?
The question remains. If the Chabad outreach is powered by Ahavas Yisroel why isn't the same effort made to Aid Kol bney uvneys ysroel hoaniyyim.
My comment re evalgelism is quite simple. We give tzedoka since we've been mchunach from doros sheovru. Who has a mesora on prostletizing?
Where'd the idea come from (Yochuf. - anyone?)And let's remember
there was alot of exposure during the university years

Anonymous said...

One more point.
The holy Eysek in the magnificent
Chabad of yore to be mishtadl for
the Yishuvnikess was not to about
Hanochas Tfiln.
It was about PARNOSO and "Chayeyneh"

Anonymous said...

In our community the chabatzker shliach HATES all yeshivaleit with a passion bashmutzing them at every opportunity

Anonymous said...

R Hirshl The BR's comment re the
discussing of Ahavas Yisroel is a comment about walking the walk not talking the talk.
I remember RAY & Rebtzin staying in
the hospital a whole night when a
yungerman and wife both Baalie Tshuva had a
child. Since the yngrman was a bit of a
batlan in mili dalmo.
Whenever there was a chole and RAY would
rush out of Yeshiva to help- the bochurim
would joke " der Rov kumt shoyn
tzu loyfn"

Englishman said...

This bubbe maaisa is really funny. I burst out laughing. It ain't gotta be true to be good.

Yoske said...

My comment re evalgelism is quite simple. We give tzedoka since we've been mchunach from doros sheovru. Who has a mesora on prostletizing?
this is what we've come to? no, absolutely not. we give tzedokeh because Hashemm told us to, He told us to be good people with compassion, who are looking out for other people, bifrat our yiddishe brider. that's the problem people have with this "proselytizing". since tzdokeh is a "mesorah" it has to be the "in" thing.
before america, there was no such thing as testing for shatnez. how did one man have the gall to start a whole revolution to be machmir? is that based on the msoireh of doiris sheovru? or is it based on the fact that he recognised that the important thing is to fulfill the ratzon of the Eibeshter? Whether you hold of the way he saw things, and what he focused on, or not, the Rebbe decided to take action when he saw american yidishkeit going down the drain. how many oppurtunities would've been lost if everyone had to get r'shus to be a ish b'makom she'ein anashim?

Anonymous said...

Anon
"The SR was busy being Mfayes people constantly. Don't
give me the easy oneliner that he
had what to apologize for"
Yes I will give it to you again and again,we did not see with our flesh eyes the big Shemiras Bris haloshen, that real Rebbes had.
Bimchilas Kevoid Kedushosoi, he was flicking people left and right, most of them were not regarding Zionisim or his kanoyes agenda,and he realy had to apoligize, there was no reason to hurt reb Avrohom Chaim Noe by his tish,he was on the same page then with the Eida, he went on and on till he told him Shefichas Dam also has a shiur. Then he had to start his pius process obviously with money.He once paid alot of pius money for the Shmigeder Rebbe in Vienna, after he ridiculed him for no good reason. The Shmegeder was also no Agudist or else. When he arrived in the morning with the Talith on the shoulder on 500 Bedford, all the gossip and rechiloth were discussed with his regular shmoozing buddies before he put on Tefilin.He was no Ropshitzer Ruv as the Satmars like to say, the holy Komarner writes the Ropshitzer said alot of vertlech but never hurt a person with all his vertlech.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"BTW the sigeter
belongs squarely in the oyhev yisroel section"
why did you choose to believe the lies in the 14 volumes of Gelbman vs, the 5 volumes of Umoshe Hoyu Roye? I chose to beleve to believe them equal.

Anonymous said...

Anon

"(where can I get the
R' Grushka Kahana video by the
Dollars ? Re sleeping in succa and
"ich veys er hut ...zechtzn million sheklnon"
noting what to apoligize for, Rav Kahane came to him quoting pashkevilen of Benai Berak from a movement that made the Rebbe and his chasidim to Menaschi Yayin, as if their problem was with chabad sleeping in sukah. If the sleeping in Sukah would be solved then all the hatemongering would of stop?
The Rebbe was no Leitz and Leitzonas was not his forte,was no cool operator, so he just told them what was on his heart.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"The brisker Rov once said" az a mentch heypt on mit mir
reydn fun ahavas yisrol veys ich az faynt hot er
drei zachn:dem Rbeyneshleylom di Teyre
un yetvidn ehrlichn yid"

obviously Brisker ruv made a mistake since there was a yid a Ohev Yisroel in Tel aviv, that was a Ohev Yisroel and was consumed in a fire of yiras shomaim 24/7
I guess it is not the first mistake of Brisker Ruv,
His derch halimud was a total mistake (according to Satmar Ruv)
His fight on Hiechel Shloma was a total mistake (according to Rav Elieshev and the history facts)

BRISKER said...

Tzig I don't expect you to know this but the record must be set straight. R Avraham Yehoshua is known to be one of the biggest gabaai Tzedakah in Yerushalayim.He is constantly fundraising for all types is tzvekin.

Anonymous said...

Yoske
"Who has a mesora on prostletizing"
to phrase Harbotzas Torah Umitzvohs as proseltyzing is Kefira mamesh with a mesorah.
"

Anonymous said...

Brisker
plus, the biggest Lietz, without a tape recorder

Yoske said...

anon, i was quoting

Yoske said...

even so, i don't see how that's k'fira mamish

Fed Up In Peoria said...

This thread is difficult to decipher especially that it is written in what seems to be a dialect of English. This dialect seems to be native of the eastern United States particularly, Brooklyn. Maybe it is the dialect of bluestocking society or of upper crust whitestocking society. Regardless of which it is, it is not heard in Peoria. So translation, please.

Anonymous said...

what's peoria's position regarding marxist views of the beurgoius of Wiiliamsburg?

Anonymous said...

To anon Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:40:00 AM
I don't need Gelbmans book or "Umoshe osso ro'h be'eyney HaShem".
I SAW the bayrach Siget be mvazeh the
tayere Stanislaver rebbe from monsy ZL( a ziskiet fun a mentch)
He talked in a grobber oyfn re certain mentally challenged members of the StnslvrR's family.
At the time he was battling LL's B"D in monsey
and used the StslvR's matzav to besmirch LL
The StslvR told my brotherinlaw a few weeks later when giving him mussar to be maavir al midoysov " ersht letstns hut mich farshemt a gevisseh mentch far tozenter mentchn, ch'hob eym letstns getrofn in B"H eym mchabed geveyn in oymed benisoyon geveyn
The oylom in bais shraga remember well the Shluchim to R mordche Schwab zl from the SR RY every year before Rosh Hashono to be mefayes him. RMS never explained what occurred but spoke of the SR with reverence
He said in the hesped: der satmar rov hot gevust vazei mefayess tzu zayn.

Anonymous said...

Peoria your problem is not the dialect. Its your ignorance of Yiddish. If you're such a brain it should be a piece of cake.

Fed Up In Peoria said...

Der folke schule hott mich nisht oisgelernt tzu farshtayn dem yiddish vus dem groysen denker Anonymous shraybt. Layder, zis nisht english in avade in avade nisht yiddish.

Fed Up in Peoria said...

As I am not a great brain, I don't understand why I would be asked the Marxist view of something in Williamsburg. The bourgeois of Williamsburg, it seems. Who would that be? The feuding Teitelbaums? Mind you last Sunday was Palm Sunday is it celebrated in Williamsburg?

Chaim Herzog said...

pitputim said...
Whenever these kreizen come to my door asking for money, we give them.
>

Who do you mean when you say "WE give them" ??

>>In Melbourne there was a famous incident. Normally, the Satmerer and Belzer and wheteverer come to every other shule to collect. Once someone came to their shule to collect (they have one shule where they all daven together). Nothing was given by any of them to the local collectors! As the collectors were about to leave, the Rov realising what had happened called them back and then made all the ahavas yisroeler chassidim give<<

==
Funny thing Mr Pitput, where did you pick up this shtus from? Absolute sheker. Yes, their Rav who you try and besmirch at every opportunity (you think this improves in any way your Religious Zionist credentials?) is a gevaldigeh ohev yisroel with a heart of gold, But otherwise du redst shtusim and shkorim!

In any case, there is FAR FAR more tzedoko coming out of that "Belz-Satmar" Shul (as you call it. The readers of this blog would simply describe it as a klaa-charedi/chasidi shul with Jews of all stripes davening there)than you get from the rest of the community combined.

If you doubt this why not ask any of the scores of meshulochim - who not only get nice nedovos there , but have free board and lodging in their hachnosas orchim apartment, free breakfasts and brunches at their shul,free lunch/dinner (and many times full achsanya at the home and takeaway shop of the 'Belzer' Fogels, free baked goods from the 'Bobover' Lichtenstein bakery, more invitations for shabbos meals than they can cope with.

And who are the majority of these meshulochim? Breslavars, Sefardim, Chabadniks from all over - plus the usual Yerushalmis and genuine nebachs etc.

As the new meshulohim season begins next week. I'll make sure to check out how generous Mr Pitputim ("we") is with them..

Anonymous said...

To anon who is busy with Satmar
biographies.
Anyone in Satmar will tell you how
RY on Purim when being MVusim would
spout SisreyTorah sheloy
kedarkoy throughout the year.
His illustrious nephew on the other hand
is noted for his drunken Purim rantings
that were full of rishus bizuy Talmidey
Chachomim and borderline nivul peh.
(This is what he will be known for
for posterity. No matter how many volumes
of Umoshe hoyo ro'oh b'eney
HaShem are churned out.)
Recordings exsist of both the Uncle and
the honorable "Yoresh Doyraysa".

Anonymous said...

I apologize to my Chabad readers who
may be confused by the term nivul peh.
Either not knowing what it is or
mistakenly believing it's one of the
Mitzvos Tmidiyos.

Anonymous said...

Anon
where did the Stanislover Rebb get in the crosshair of the Bierech Moshe?

Anonymous said...

That's just it. The StnslvrR was at
peace with him. The Sigeterjust needed to
relate an incident involving his
relative & LL's B"D to bash LL.
(LL had the unmitigated gall to
send him and, his son Aron- the self proclaimed Savlan, a Hazmono to a din Torah)
The shaming of StnslvrR was
incidental. He was just using him as cannon fodder and being his
own crass inconsiderate self. This type of behavior
was usually brought on in the
heat of his countless personal machlokesn
where his trademark vindictiveness came out.(R Mottele remarked about the Sigeters personality Zayer
Zeltn hot men gezeyn a manhig Yisrul vus iz geveyn a noykem Vnoyter)
And I'd like too add - very rarely has there been a
manhig like the brchMshe who shamelessly operated out of Negiyos whether they be gelt koved or Taavas Hanitzochon
This was when the BM suddely decided that a Get Meussa is a problem, since LL was involved in that.

Anonymous said...

Btw since we're discussing Negiyos
I'd like a MATURE and HONEST response:
when the Reform movement declared
they won't give any money to Chabad
and discourage the rank and file to do so as well if their
geyrusn were called into question,
the drum beat re Miyhu Yehudi
suddenly fell silent.
This is an historical
fact. How do the diehards
reconcile this with their belief in
infallability and Hislabshus Eloykus
BeGuf Odom

Anonymous said...

A word to the Heimishe sonim of RY of Satmar.
There's never a need respond to your
absurd treatment of
RY. It's hilarious to see how you
try to tear him down and portray him as a Kal and a mushches in middos.
If your great grandfather had a run
in with him in some backwater mud
paved slum deep in the Carpathians
and you need to believe these absurdities
-fine. Just don't think its credible.
to those of us who know of this Jew's greatness.
Of course there is legitimate criticism that
can be leveled but not your primitive
histrionics
There must be an enzyme either found in the
paprika plant or produced by a
chemical reaction when lukshen
comes in contact with krote
that stunts the growth in the brain
necessary for advanced critical
thought.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"There must be an enzyme either found in the
paprika plant or produced by a
chemical reaction when lukshen
comes in contact with krote
that stunts the growth in the brain
necessary for advanced critical
thought."
as always food for thought from a great thinker

Anonymous said...

Anon
"If your great grandfather had a run
in with him in some backwater mud
paved slum deep in the Carpathians
and you need to believe these absurdities
-fine. Just don't think its credible. "
why should I believe you rather then my grandfather?(just in case my grandfather told me so and so)he never lied to me

Anonymous said...

Anon
"A word to the Heimishe sonim of RY of Satmar."
there are no enemies of Rebieni Hakodesh Vehatoher, certain people like to give him equal treatment.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"try to tear him down and portray him as a Kal and a mushches in middos."
are you not trying to portray the Bierech Moshe the 2nd Satmar Rebbe, as a mushchas?
Just checking since they are family, same breed.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"RY on Purim when being MVusim would
spout SisreyTorah sheloy
kedarkoy throughout the year."
is the "Sisrie torah" printed?
I follow all the Rebini Hakodesh torah, and I never saw it, unless it was before the war, and only Libel Pashkez understood it.

Alaxander Kanarik,Ph.D said...

Are there any nice color photos of the Belzer meshorsim bringing up the chometzdike keilim after Peysech?I'm getting nauseous thinking about the Carpathian slums and Brisker OCD.A gentle Belzer interlude on a warm spring day would be most welcome...

Anonymous said...

Equal treatment ? Equal to whom?
During the SR RY's visit to the
Brisker Rov the Rov upon
getting to see his greatness
but at the same time
being a misnaged to the core
blurted out "Satmarer Rov ir
hotdoch yeh seichl vazei nemt ir
kvitlach ?" The SR kdarkoy shot back
"s'heist Der tatte hotzich azoy gefirt"
(alluding to the reverencial way that
concept is treated in Brisk)
Before the SR left the BR asked
for a brocho and he had his children
go over as well. When he left the BR
said "itst hob ich gekrogn a broche
fun an emsn ehrlichn yid".
As I heard from BR's son R meir shyichye.
NOBODY got such treatment from the BR
(I never heard R Meir talk about any
Chsidisher Rebbe with such yiras hakoved)
And the BR met all the gedolei doro in eretz yisroel

Josh said...

Re: No Heimishe Sonim
Does this imply that R Arele Roth was not Heimishe?
Thanks for clarifying

Anonymous said...

Its interesting how the Heimishe sonim of RY discount the veracity of Gelbmans books. ( Which probably have some embellishments)
But will lovingly produce a crumbling vintage copy of "Oy Kalotch" or the Transylvanier
Inquirer from the 1930's and point to articles attacking RY quoting them as if it were a Rashba.

Anonymous said...

Anon
""Satmarer Rov ir
hotdoch yeh seichl vazei nemt ir
kvitlach ?" The SR kdarkoy shot back
"s'heist Der tatte hotzich azoy gefirt"
(alluding to the reverencial way that
concept is treated in Brisk)"
stop already with your lies,rumors that some guy that it would be nice of brisker ruv to say it? and you repeat it like a puppet.

Anonymous said...

Anon
Mi Hi Zeh Veazie hu, that dared to choose what too believe? lets go get him, and hang him on Lee cor Ross

Anonymous said...

I like the way the 4 Genarations Rodfim are putting a face of Nirdofim

miles said...

Why is there a need for people to look at another bosor vedom as somehow being granted special powers or in fact as being infallible?The rebbes aren't born with their own unique weakenesses and vulnerabilities?Let's grow up and see our rebbes for who they are-people with a mixture of good and bad.Only first graders believe in kulo tov or kulo ra.SR,LR,BR,-people with enormous egos and all the baggage thet goes along with it.There are stories about each one of these when they lost their temper and believe me,it wasn't pretty.

Anonymous said...

I'm not telling"lies vit rrrumer"
so I don't
have to "stop vit it".
I heard the above mentioned
from R Meir Soloveitchik Sy"ch.
He was there.
He lives at rch' Chazonovitch 3.
If your highly developed sense of
social etiquette deems the
BR's comment not nice "to say for"
the SR, it seems neither of them shared
your sensitivities.
I suspect yours is Daas Baale
Batim- the Sm"a's comment is famous-so there's no contradiction.
(Ders natting rrung-in your circles if you
maavir sedra its probably considered
Toyre Igdille etc)
So my dear friend Laslow Sandor Gernot-
whatever your name-
More brain tissue and less paprikash
between the ears would help you
recognize authenticity.

Boo said...

SR and BR were both very eccentric people,so it's conceivable they liked each other,maybe.Nevertheless 99% of torah leaders disagreed with them on the medinah. How many well heeled American boys would be learning in the various Brisker mosdos run by einiklech and in-laws if King Abdullah were ch'v running the show? How many hashgoches would the Badatz be giving under the Hashemite kingdom?So all the kanoishe talk isn't worth the proverbial "oisgeblozene sholechtz fun an ei" as we used to say in the Lite.'Brisker talk' does help in getting a shidduch and making you feel holier than thou. It's a good feeling.You're not just another Joe in the beis-medrash.

Anonymous said...

R' Boo
Let me guess. A disgruntled Chofetz Chaim guy?
How do you think the oylom in other
Mekomos felt during Slabodkas heyday.
Or the Mir's. Or the others not
geklibn by R Yerucham to be sent to
Brisk(the real one BrestLitovsk)
Its a very tradional phenomenon in the LITVISHE
Oylom HaTorah. There was always a "top"
Mokom who's Talmidim were sought after.
This is the tradition going back to Valozhin.
These Top Spots were a Kibbutz Golyus
of the the best of the all the
other Yeshivos that left to join the AllStars
And just like Slabodka had its theme.
And R Yerucham had a different one. So
does Brisk. (Its so happens RY and
Brisk have simmilar takes on most things.
Pay a visit to Bais HaTalmud.

Anonymous said...

Anon
Sma, in Brisk, never heard about him

Anonymous said...

Anon
"There was always a "top"
Mokom who's Talmidim were sought after. "
in Israel, Brisk is not considered on the list of the top yeshivahs, it is only "top" for the Hungarian Yankees.

pitputim said...

Hirshel, the person who said he was "Chaim Herzog" is not. I checked with Rabbi Herzog of Chabad CBD today.
The writer is a fraud.

I'd suggest a Charedi ring in from the very Shule that my story, which is indeed true, occurred.

He clearly didn't like my post
http://pitputim.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/have-the-courage-of-your-convictions/

and is using your blog rather than mine to attempt to exact very poor revenge.

Ho hum.
Isaac Balbin

Anonymous said...

Isaac
u were naive to think that the name was genuine.
are all the Jews down under so gullible?

Anonymous said...

Hungarian Yankees aside there is
no Rosheshive in US that would
consider an Aidim that didn't
learn in Brisk. Avreml Ausband-Lmoshl- is an
Einikl of the Vilner Go'en not
the Tshengerer Tzadik. Your heroic
farbinskiet againsts all facts is
however impressive.

Isaac Balbin said...

Anonymous, I know Rabbi Herzog and I though therefore it was prudent to check. Vedal.
It has nothing to do with being gullible, but would you agree that it's an issur d'orayso to use someone else's name in this way? I think it is. Indeed this week's Parsha included the Lav of Lifnei Iver, and that is the second issur. The first is G'neyvas Daas. There are undoubtedly more.

Anonymous said...

"no Rosheshive in US that would
consider an Aidim that didn't
learn in Brisk"

As I said it is a american trend based on the liesure life of the ungefressene yankees, brisk and hasmoda are a oxymoron

Anonymous said...

"The first is G'neyvas Daas. There are undoubtedly more."
Is Genavas Daas a issur d'orayso ???

BelzFinAMool said...

The main question was never answered, "Why is the guy smirking"?

Teretz is Poshit.

He's smirking b/c his Payos are longer and thicker than the Rosh Yeshiva's Payos.


Wouldn't you smirk too?