Wednesday, July 20, 2011

Dear Rabbi, may I beat his brains in?

The following is a series of letters written by the great Kano'i Reb Meir Heller (Semnitzer) of Jerusalem to 2 Rabonim in the Diaspora, the Shimloyer Rov, Hy"d, and the Rogatchover, zt"l. Reb Meir is considered to be the Rebbe of the extreme kanoyim of today, the Sikrikim, who do not respect any of today's Rabbonim, because they see them all as corrupt and drunk with power or bought off by the Government. Reb Meir wasn't happy with keeping his views to himself or with screaming them out at demonstrations and protests, he took things to a new level, to a level of pashkevillen and physical violence. Ye, being a G-d fearing Jew, he wanted to be sure that what he was doing was in accordance with what the Torah and Shulchan Aruch say, so he sent these Shayles to the 2 aforementioned Rabbonim. 2 of the more famous things that he did are the pouring of very dirty water, beis Hakisseh water....., on the late Rav Kook, and the pashkevillen that he printed against the Imrei Emes of Ger when he visited Rav Kuk at his home in Yerushalayim. "Avrohom-Arohom leGezeiroh Shovoh" the placards read.... Reb Meir was respected by all, because his motives were seen as real and sincere, he wasn't paying lip service and he wasn't part of a clique of Kanoyim. The Shimloyer Rov either didn't respond... or maybe the letter was lost in the mail, but the Rogatchover gave a lengthy answer, one which makes you open more than a few volumes...























55 comments:

Anonymous said...

I believe the skvere Rebbe knows this Tshuva by hard!

Anonymous said...

Hard? or heart?

Anonymous said...

it is a new manuscript not printed yet

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

THERE'S NO NEED TO SHLEP SKVER INTO EVERY CONVERSATION!!!

Anonymous said...

I believe that he was behind the Pashkevilin ob the Rebbe Rayatz, for the sole sin of visiting Rav Kook

Anonymous said...

Hirshel
maybe the Erenriech brothers can locate the response of the Shimloyer

Anonymous said...

so any talmid chuchim here, can you please explain why we don't do this anymore (bderech klal)

Anonymous said...

Pinchas did not exhibit any kaas. He was kulo lkvod shamayim. That madrega does not exist anymore. Everyone has their own agenda. Therefore, shav v'al taseh adif.

Anonymous said...

Anon
My Dear,
it was never done, Just some Kanoim from Jerusalem decided to take the law in their own hands

Wechter and Korpf said...

so thats why Wechter and Korpf lost their beards

Anonymous said...

how about chilul hashem? how about guaranteeing that that the "victim" will hate you and everything you stand for???!
in some areas it's clear that times have changed.

Anonymous said...

Wechter and Korpf
this whole discussion brings anarchy in the system, every dick and harry will beat up his neighbor on a whim, when they decide your friend is a apikores

grainom said...

i would love to see the paskeviln put up against the rayatz for visiting kook.

lmaase its a pele that kook walked away from the din torah by the imrei emes, he would hava had 49% to rycz's 51. instead he is off the map of the olam hatorah...

Grainom said...

http://grainom.blogspot.com/2011/07/last-chance-r-kook-had-to-preserve-his.html

Gimpel said...

Anon 2:18
I guess that removes any credibility from anything said by or to him. If he threw pashkevilin at MY rebbe, then he is nothing. However, if it someone else's rebbe, we will think about it.
Use your brains. If Kook was a bad man, then the Rayatz deserved it even if he was a choshuve yid. (that is not meant to be read by those who believe in the religion of infallibility)

Bernstien said...

tzig. HEADS UP. Gonna be big news comin outta lakewood tonite.
big big news.
you saw it here first.
Il get back to you after the news breaks.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

now we're all VERY curious

a hint?

Bernstien said...

Ok.
Something to do with the LK story. 2nite by the LL thing with RCK and REA and RYZ.

that should do it

Bernstien said...

Oh, and also RYSE

Fire and Rain said...

It must feel good to be "politically correct" and refer to Rav Kook without the title" Rav."Congratulations! Now the Satmarers-who are real Jews with bord and peyes and hell-fire anger in their eyes will love you and that,after all,is what every narisher ben-teyreh who speaks a half -baked Yiddish and has a sheitelwearing[nit opgeshorne]wife really wants.You hit the jackpot!

yehupitz said...

Enough with the retro-justification!
"Our kanoim are glory-seeking publicity-craving twisted meshugoim. But 100 years ago they were yereim v'shleimim."

NEIN! Back then they were also narcissistic meshugoim in need of makos mardus, medication and anger-management classes! Let it be typed and let it be read!

Anonymous said...

NEIN! Back then they were also narcissistic meshugoim in need of makos mardus, medication and anger-management classes! Let it be typed and let it be read!

so says yehupitz.

yehupitz sounds like he is a bit frothing at the mouth, any idea why? because he's got those symptoms without being a kanoy.

Fed Up In Peoria said...

I thought that the big big news out of Lakewood would be announcement by RAK the second and the gang of four plus one that they found a letter in the archives from RAK the first that the yeshiva shouldn't have more than 150 bocurim and yingeleit and it's been a grave mistake and we're sorry and good luck on your job hunt.

Anonymous said...

Yehopitz
you are correct
the old Yerushalmi Jews had no respect for this kind of guys, Margolias , Semnitzer and Blau. They were considered pariah's by every normal thinking Jew.
Its our crazy climate that glorifies them.
Just a simple question, how many Institutions did they built for the Yishuv?

Anonymous said...

so whats the great breaking news from lakewood?

Reb Volf said...

Bernstein - Is this what you are talking about???

http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/Demo28.pdf

Fed Up In Peoria said...

Big news, big genitz

Moifes Hador?

Anonymous said...

Gevald! Did you read the letters? Es iz geven amool a velt!

Oldtimer said...

The partial translation of bernsteins riddle is the lev lachim asifa which took place tonight with R Chaim Kanievski ie rck and R Ezrial auerbach ie rea and R Yitzchok Zilbersteib ie ryz but the lk story has even me baffledon of bernsteins riddle is the lev lachim asifa which took place tonight with R Chaim Kanievski ie rck and R Ezrial auerbach ie rea and R Yitzchok Zilbersteib ie ryz but the lk story has even me baffled

Anonymous said...

nothing happened by lev l'achim asifa . no breaking news

dovy in jersey said...

it said in hamodia that rav zalman kazen gave clandestine tanya shiurim to telzer bochurim. can anyone confirm this?

pitputim said...

Rav Kook gets bigger and bigger as time goes on; contrary to grainom's agenda to besmirch him. The Rogachover used to slap Rabonim around. Is there a Tshuva on that? What next, a boxing match between two kanoim?

The only thing that has changed is the birth rate of hate filled groups. It's exponential in Kamus but the eychus is another thing entirely.

Anonymous said...

One thing is definite that the great poskim like the Noda Beyehuda in his Hagoas Dugel Mervova paskens the opposite of Rav Semnitzer(I like the way they created him in to "Hagoan Hakodash" it is a Yerushalmi disease to inflate the titles on the Rabbis that are working for their causes)
Also the great Goan and Zealot Reb Chaim Sofer of Budapest does not agree with Semnitzers conclusion. But he needed some lenience's for his Kanoias empire.
He even tries to legitimize Halachichicaly a heter to be Mechalel Shabos(throwing stones etc..)to harass a other Mechalel Shabos.

Twistelton-Twistelton said...

"Also the great Goan and Zealot Reb Chaim Sofer of Budapest does not agree with Semnitzers conclusion. But he needed some lenience's for his Kanoias empire. "

? Explain please

Anonymous said...

It’s amazing how twisted and historically falsifying this whole polemic of fighting zionisim is turned up side down and sideways, the aggressors of the cheridim from the murdering of dr. dihan to the torturing of rabbi amrom blau and every thing in between going on till today (not to mention the holocaust) all done by the israeli government and their cohorts! any Responses on that! (don’t ask don’t tell.. policy!) just on a halacha question! By some legal expert is enough to twist y’all and make the chereidm the aggressors and the zionist the aggressed ones!

RJT z’l who admired the torah authority of the shimloyer ruv z”l like him did advocate physical or material violence at any time even against apikorsim (b’zman h’azah) and publicly protested against it whenever remotely it happened! Wrote a famous book almost 50 years ago y’all still hate him and discuss it daily! Not one sentence on this subject of violence against apikorsim mentioned there! In contrary the violence of the zionist from the holocaust era till today he writes about is proven documented and on going! any take of y’all on that???

Anonymous said...

Twistleton

A lamdan ben lamdan like you, should take some time and look in to the Teshuva Machne chaim quoted in Semnitzer teshuva.
BTW, I will teach u some history,In Hungary RCS was considered the Ungarischer Reb chaim (Brisker) since he had a clear derech halimud.Rav Lebowitz of Woodridge claims in the name of the former Satmar Sands Street rosh Yeshiva RNY Mizels that the Chasam sofer was against his derech halimud eventough he was his disciple.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"(not to mention the holocaust) all done by the israeli government and their cohorts"
You are spewing very extreme slogans that are indoctrinated in your school system.
Do u have facts to back it up?
or facts are heresy and they don't matter much?
By Greenbaums not helping the hatzolah work of Rav Wiessmandel, you would consider all zionists as Nazis?
What about the Zionists Flieschman and Krauss that helped Rav Wiessmandel, are they also considered Nazis?
What about all other charidie Jews that did not participate in Wiesmandels hatzolah, are they also Nazis?
What about the historians as Yehuda Bauer that claim that Rav Wiessmandels work was a pipedream and in no way it could of worked? are they paid hush money by the Zionists?

Anonymous said...

Dovy in Jersy
Y u got to know? u want to go and put graffiti on his new tomb?

Oscar Meier said...

One of the dirty little secrets over the years is that hundreds and maybe thousands of formerly Edah-NK people became Agudah,modern Zionist,and even completely frei.Among them Israel Supreme court Justices,prominent politicians,and many current chozrim bishealah. Their names are well-known. Maybe they knew something the naive Amirakaners in Lakewood and Bklyn don't.I heard Pappenheim announce recently on Israel Tv that he "grew up" and is no longer a follower of the Edah. Instead he opened an employment agency for Haredim in Beit Shemesh.I think Meshi-Zahav did likewise a while back.
By the way,Anon.11:35, where did you pick up the chsiddishe "y"all?"I think I heard a "gevisser godol" use it at a CRC meeting a number of years ago...Nevertheless a kanoi like you should use an eydellere shprach...

oscar de la yenta said...

Oscar Meier Shlita.
CRC meetings do quote "y'all moshe" all the time.

grainom said...

http://grainom.blogspot.com/2011/07/dispelling-myth-that-r-kook-could-have.html

Fed Up In Peoria said...

Now it makes sense why Pappenheim has criticized the Edah on the recent demonstrations. He was their paid pr hack now he's off the payroll.

The Bray of Fundie said...

ROTFLMHO

Anonymous said...

So what was the big news out of the Lakewood asifa last night?

Anonymous said...

there is no such thing as sikrikim...only a name invented by leblers...

Anonymous said...

anon 12:53:00 PM
"Do u have facts to back it up?"

start with perfidy,bar-ilon univ. has a list of books on this subject written by intellectuals.. I wouldn't recommend v'yoel moshe to you because you may actual find the truth there.

Twistelton-Twistleton said...

"A lamdan ben lamdan like you, should take some time and look in to the Teshuva Machne chaim quoted in Semnitzer teshuva."

I was refering to the second part, that the Machne Chaim needed Kulos for his Kanois.

"Rav Lebowitz of Woodridge claims in the name of the former Satmar Sands Street rosh Yeshiva RNY Mizels that the Chasam sofer was against his derech halimud eventough he was his disciple."

This may be true, but it is unlikely that he was talking about the Machne Chaim personally. RCS was a bocher when the Chasam Sofer was nifter. Of some relevence, Rav Aron Kotler had tanous on the RCS in so much that he only mentioned the Chasam Sofer to argue on him. For that reason he refused to give a Haskoma to a reprinting of the Peles Chaim on Gittin. As an aside, is it true that Lipe Schmelter is an Anikel of RCS? If so, how.

Anonymous said...

Lipe is a Einikel from his brother reb Zusman author of Hamikna and et sofer

Anonymous said...

Twistleton
U r correct I did not write good, I chas vesholem never said noting on RCS

Anonymous said...

Tzig
I was hoping that 1 of the talmidie chachomim on the Blog would write a counter article against Semnitzer

Anonymous said...

every day that passes we conclude that the Rotzeach Of Beer sheva that took the life of the Baba Lazar Z"L did it for pure religious reasons, as he wrote in the letter to Rav Malka of Elad,that the leaders are not talking care of the sins of Klal Yisroel.
I guess he had all the Heterinm of this idiot semnitzer.

Sruly said...

Haven't gone through much of these comments, in middle of writing my term paper and all that, but can anyone here tell me more about these Hellers? I'm directly descended from them but know almost nothing about them. Oh and I attend YU. I know enough to know that thats ironic.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

I think there's a Meir Heller in Beit Shemesh today, part of the 'Sikrikim'
Carrying on the Heller legacy...

tziki kedera said...

Many of the חשין family of breslov - jerusalem are from the r meir heller family.

Sruly said...

Really now. Why did I even ask.