Hirshel, by "fascinating story", did you mean "fascinating man"? Reading the wiki description of him, I would agree.
But that only makes the "zkan" thingie even more ridiculous. Clearly, he is an unique and accomplished man, his (somewhat) advanced age should not be listed as his quintessential accomplishment...
I seem to recall that the previous Vittznitzer Rebbe lit מנורה with the מנורה of rav pinchas koritzer. (Does the current one do too?) but that actually the מנורה was owned by the Pushkaner and that he keeps it in a bank all year long and lent it to his shvager for יום טוב.
קודם כל: רפואה שלמה, השם ירחם על הבחור שנדקר בליל שבת בלב בני ברק. הכל בא מ"כת" הבני תייירה. הדם של הבחור הנדקר הם הדמעות של הקב"ה.
בלב בבני ברק, ברחוב, צועקים שהצבא הציוני הולכים לסגור ישיבות, וכאן הבני תיייירה מבני ברק בעצמם סוגרים ישיבות אחד אחר השני (מצחיק נכון?), וזה בתירוץ של כבוד התיירה!!! הכת של הבני תייירה אומרים: תסגרו את כל הישיבות שלא כורעים ומשתחוים למרן שליט"א אבל אתם עוד לא בעל הבתים על התורה!!!
לדוגמה: גם המן הרשע אמר שכולם יכרעו וישתחו אליו, מה ההבדל? נראה שאין שום הבדל, הגבאים של הגדייילים הורסים את תורת השם, (לא הגדייילים בעצמם ח"ו) רק העסקנים והגבאים, וחבל שיש אנשים מסכנים ששומעים להם, כנראה ששכחו שכולכם דהיינו כל המחריבי תורה, דהיינו כל הכת הזה, שלוחי של השטן הרוקד איתכם כל יום, כל רגע, כל דקה,כל שעה, ובכל עת. נראים כבני עמלק, ממשפחת ערב רב, רק אתם לא רואים זה משום שאתם חלק מזה.
הקב"ה אומר כולחם חייבים בכבודי!!!!! עץ חיים היא למחזקים בה.
OK I know who he is. In the old days many Rebbes in the US belonged to the Mizrachi especially the Russische Rebbes(Twerskys, Linizer geza, Ruzhiner geza etc). Dr. Alfasi has a list of all these rebbes(and there were many) in one of his volumes. Its no shanda. many Chabad rabbis also belonged to Mizrachi Rabbi Yehuda Ellinson the rabbis of the Don -Yihya family, rabbi Nissan Telushkin, Rabbi SY Zevin was a big time Mafdal man.. Even rav Kuperstock the rav of Gluboke who was an eyd at he rebbe' wedding was a Mizrachi. My father A"H recalled when he(Kuperstock) was a candidate to become the Chasidiic rav of Kurenitz and the "real" Chabad people vigorously opposed him and finally rav Uszpol of Nei Schventzian was elected the Chasidic rav. On the other hand Rabbeinua Rayaatz has some loving but strong words about these people's Zionistic leaning in his diary of 1929-30. Elu ve-elu ...
I've often wondered why, with the burgeoning interest in Chassidus amongst the Dati Leumi and Chardal communities, there has not developed, to my knowledge, a homegrown Admor or Mashpia.
Reb Zvi Yehuda Kook stated we are followers of the Talmide HaGRA. RZY was no ideological friend of Chassidut. The vast majority of Mizrachi Hesder Merkoz Horav etc Bnai Torah are firmly in the camp of Mithnagdim with a seasoning of the thought of Rav Kook the elder. there are several "Chasiidc" Mizrachi yeshivoth and they have their leaders among them rabbi Ginzberga Chabd rabbi. The leaders of the Bnai Torah are rabbis Tau, Rabbi Shapiro of Merkoz HoRavRabbi Shlomo Aviner Rabbi Dov Lior rabbi Melamed Rabbi Areil of Ramat gan.Some of these fellows have joined Breslov too. There is also a" Holy Man " from Tuniisia whose name I forget who has a large MO following.
Yuo are mitaking a drop.This guy here if he would of been Mizrochi, would of been good.I knew a lot of people who knew him in der heim and in EY.He was completely frey and a comunist.He started becoming shomrei Shabos in the end of 60's-his uncle Bohusher Rebbe ZAL worked very hard on him and his kids and was at the end matsliach.Why is this important? A guy who was mechalel Shabos should not play a Rebbe. PERIOD
Russian Chasid- His Hebrew Wikepedia biography claims he was always frum . I have no idea what he was slike, but if he was not religious he would hardly be the only Rebbe or Holy Man today who went off the derech and came back with a bang as a Rebbe.Others became rebbes after living lives of being completely frei. A few we can mention: Helbrans,others I choose not to mention but I think you know them yourself. In principle I agree with you about being a rebbe.(Even though being a rebbe today iz nit kin greyser kaved) But I go further some one who was frei for many years should also not be a rav of a kehilla and a madrich of other Yidden and today we have hundreds of BT rabbonim telling FFB Jews how to live their lives. We have all sort of frum Bt women writing English books advising frum heimishe wives and mothers how to raise their kids and run a Jewish home. A BT can pick up Jewish knowledge but in 4 years in Morristowen or Esh or wherever you do not pick up a derech hachaim If you could , being frum would not be much of a challenge.
Not A Harry, Looks like you know a lot about Rizhin.Rizhiner Rebbes kmat did not eat at all.Kosov and Rizhin ....What a chulent.
Shneur, you are from few intelegent guys here.You trust wikepedia? I do not- for anything.In his case it is a pretty well known in our curcels that he was not frum.
Russian chasid You hit it on the nail "Play Rebbe". Most rebbes today are actioren Men shpilt di roleh. You will excuse my bias but the last real Rebbe died in 1994. Yes there are a few erliche rebbes today but most are actors even if well meaning.
@shneur, you are a fool for thinking so. Please define in clear terms what the definition of a rebbe is, or is to you. Elaborate how Ramash qualified in clear contrast with all the Rebbes that were alive in 1994 up until this very day.
אז צען יודין גלייבען אין א בייזעם קען אס שיסען. Rebbe's of that sort we have, but they can shoot.
Greater Rebbes exist too. But your statement is quite extreme.
I find your relationship with the last Lubavitcher Rebbe to be quite perplexing. You seem to have lots of respect for him, calling him the last Rebbe and such, yet on the other hand, sometimes you have less respect for him, even maybe poke fun.
The לשם יחוד said before Chanukah licht States "על דעת כל הצדיקים והחסידים שבדורותינו ופי כפיהם ועשיתי כעשייתם" I don't think the בני יששכר put in a expiration date. Is this not said by chabad because they only believe in one tzadik in any generation at a time? Or they can't say עשייתי כעשייתם? What's the מנהג in Kurenitz?
it's not said not because of that specific toichen, but rather because NO l'shem Yichud is said before ANY Mitzvah! Once a day, before Boruch SheOmar, and that's it.
MO guy- I try calling the shots as I see them. I do not believe in Papal infallibility. I do not belong to a orthodox "political party". I recognize the Lubavitcher rebbe as a great Jewish leader who did much for world Jewry but in our discussions of various issues , I assert he had a side that I find problematic. Yet he was dedicated to his position 24-7-365 and took it seriously a fact you can hardly say about the other players. I also have great respect for the Rav for the Satmarer rebbe, for Rav Kook, for Rav Salanter, for Rabbiner Hirsch for Rav Shach for people like Meir Kahane, and Shlomo Carlebach for a man like Chief rabbi Moses Rosen of Rumania. No Jewish leader has the complete or only truth. My rebbe rav Shimen Romm a Mirer and Mizrachi leader was preaching in our small shul on a sheine Shabbath and asked who was the greatest jew of our time I thought he was going to scream out The Chazon Ish, Rav Kook, Reb Chaim, the Chofetz Chaim, or Rav Reines but no he yelled out Ben Gurion for creating a Jewish state ! No negios no need to justify HIS party just the truth as he saw it. I TRY the same I don't need to say Lubavitch is always right or always wrong sometimes Satmar is on the mark many times more than 1 party is correct. Today most frum people have their affiliation and that chug is always right. I was happy to meet a real Satmarer yungerman who had 2 heroes Rav Yoelish and rav kook.
Not a Harry " Elaborate how Ramash qualified in clear contrast with all the Rebbes that were alive in 1994 up until this very day. " is the Ramash leshem zilizul? or to specify who the last Rebbe of Lubavich was.. I need to know where you are standing on issues
How do YOU define REBBE : A man with a large following ? A man who has a Beth Medrash in BP or BB ? A man whose grandfather was a rebbe or gutte Yid in Galicia 75 years ago? A man who can learn gemora ??A man who can dance at chasumes and has nice tenuoth ? A man whose grandfather or great grandfather was a rav in Hungary and now calls himself rebbe anyone who calls himself a rebbe is a rebbe (definition that the Satmarer rebbe used) anyone with last name of Halberstam , Eichenstein, Schneebalg,Twerski,Teitelbaum, etc etc.all of the above ? some of the above ? But aderabba what is a rebbe. In Kurenitz hot der eylem kayn mol nit gehert fun heiliken Bnai Yissiocher.
In an issue of the weekly BASHEVA(supplement Esnachta)published by West bank chugim last year there is a long article about the rebbe's son Hoshea Friedman. he is the senior Reserve officer in the IDF. He speaks about his childhood etc. Presently he has a beard wears a shtreimel Shabbes indoors , has a long beard and Lubavitch style peyos but his ideology is strictly Mafdal. He claims his parents. were always observant but not medakdek. His older brother seems to be secular. He himself Hoshea studied many years with the Bhusher Rebbe in TA. He notes that for years the Imre Chaim did not speak to his mother although her siblings did have contact.Its a honest memoir of his early life. Anyhow its a very interesting family. I recall years ago being told by my mashpia that the important thing is climbing on the ladder -movement- even its down and then up but you are spiritually alive and seeking , while Misnagdim are static. This family is the same way genuine spiritual seekers based on Ahavth Israel, Ahvath Eretz Israel and Torah. Let Rizhiner chassidim decide if the father can be a Rebbe .
One who is madrich yidden in avidas Hashem, in the derech that he or his followers were mikabel from mamshichei derech habaal shem tov hakadosh is a rebbe.
If you don't fargin a thousand nadvorna and spinke einiklach to be rebbes, I understand. I don't either, but that doesn't make them ois rebbes.
There were plenty great rebbes alive in 1994 and you shneur impugned their dignity and legitimacy.
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zkan this, zkan that... who comes up with these stupid terms?
newspapers, their own ppl., etc.
but it is a fascinating story
very interesting,
http://www.yhn.co.il/tzevet
מה פשט שמו: פרידמאן בן שלום?
עיין וויקיפידיע
Great stuff !!!! I love your blog
thanks!!
Hirshel, by "fascinating story", did you mean "fascinating man"? Reading the wiki description of him, I would agree.
But that only makes the "zkan" thingie even more ridiculous. Clearly, he is an unique and accomplished man, his (somewhat) advanced age should not be listed as his quintessential accomplishment...
א רבי א ציוני איז טאקע יקר המציאות! קטנים, פיעסעצנא רק עוד כמה בודדים.
is he a ben achar ben of the Ruzhiner? or from a daughter?
This is the only place to find this stuff. The pictures and the wikipedia link are fascinating!!
בכל אותה עת ישראל וצפורה קיימו מצוות בדרכם שלהם "בהסתר"...י
To add to א רבי א ציוני's comment...
He had to change his name since it was mandatory for those on shlichut to chutz la'aretz to have a Hebrew last name.
פריד מאן = בן שלום
יו"ט שני
@Efraim, look at his yarmulke! not what a typical rebbe would wear
I seem to recall that the previous Vittznitzer Rebbe lit מנורה with the מנורה of rav pinchas koritzer. (Does the current one do too?) but that actually the מנורה was owned by the Pushkaner and that he keeps it in a bank all year long and lent it to his shvager for יום טוב.
שבוע טוב!
קודם כל: רפואה שלמה, השם ירחם על הבחור שנדקר בליל שבת בלב בני ברק.
הכל בא מ"כת" הבני תייירה.
הדם של הבחור הנדקר הם הדמעות של הקב"ה.
בלב בבני ברק, ברחוב, צועקים שהצבא הציוני הולכים לסגור ישיבות, וכאן הבני תיייירה מבני ברק בעצמם סוגרים ישיבות אחד אחר השני (מצחיק נכון?), וזה בתירוץ של כבוד התיירה!!! הכת של הבני תייירה אומרים: תסגרו את כל הישיבות שלא כורעים ומשתחוים למרן שליט"א אבל אתם עוד לא בעל הבתים על התורה!!!
לדוגמה: גם המן הרשע אמר שכולם יכרעו וישתחו אליו, מה ההבדל? נראה שאין שום הבדל, הגבאים של הגדייילים הורסים את תורת השם, (לא הגדייילים בעצמם ח"ו) רק העסקנים והגבאים, וחבל שיש אנשים מסכנים ששומעים להם, כנראה ששכחו שכולכם דהיינו כל המחריבי תורה, דהיינו כל הכת הזה, שלוחי של השטן הרוקד איתכם כל יום, כל רגע, כל דקה,כל שעה, ובכל עת. נראים כבני עמלק, ממשפחת ערב רב, רק אתם לא רואים זה משום שאתם חלק מזה.
הקב"ה אומר כולחם חייבים בכבודי!!!!! עץ חיים היא למחזקים בה.
things like this weird me out.
http://www.inn.co.il/Besheva/Article.aspx/11745/1
Interesting.
Hirshel
when did the Zkan get a Zokan(beard)?
where does he live?
The kulpik store is machtir rebbes?
Lipa has a kulpik too, is he also a rebbe or are there other requirements?
This man was not a chasid a few years back. Was he ?
Pashkaner rebbe I thought the Bhusher was the last yoresh there.Give us the story here.
OK I know who he is. In the old days many Rebbes in the US belonged to the Mizrachi especially the Russische Rebbes(Twerskys, Linizer geza, Ruzhiner geza etc). Dr. Alfasi has a list of all these rebbes(and there were many) in one of his volumes.
Its no shanda. many Chabad rabbis also belonged to Mizrachi Rabbi Yehuda Ellinson the rabbis of the Don -Yihya family, rabbi Nissan Telushkin, Rabbi SY Zevin was a big time Mafdal man.. Even rav Kuperstock the rav of Gluboke who was an eyd at he rebbe' wedding was a Mizrachi. My father A"H recalled when he(Kuperstock) was a candidate to become the Chasidiic rav of Kurenitz and the "real" Chabad people vigorously opposed him and finally rav Uszpol of Nei Schventzian was elected the Chasidic rav.
On the other hand Rabbeinua Rayaatz has some loving but strong words about these people's Zionistic leaning in his diary of 1929-30.
Elu ve-elu ...
I've often wondered why, with the burgeoning interest in Chassidus amongst the Dati Leumi and Chardal communities, there has not developed, to my knowledge, a homegrown Admor or Mashpia.
- BP1956
Gedolim neither
Kilayim can't reproduce.
Reb Zvi Yehuda Kook stated we are followers of the Talmide HaGRA. RZY was no ideological friend of Chassidut.
The vast majority of Mizrachi Hesder Merkoz Horav etc Bnai Torah are firmly in the camp of Mithnagdim with a seasoning of the thought of Rav Kook the elder. there are several "Chasiidc" Mizrachi yeshivoth and they have their leaders among them rabbi Ginzberga Chabd rabbi. The leaders of the Bnai Torah are rabbis Tau, Rabbi Shapiro of Merkoz HoRavRabbi Shlomo Aviner Rabbi Dov Lior rabbi Melamed Rabbi Areil of Ramat gan.Some of these fellows have joined Breslov too.
There is also a" Holy Man " from Tuniisia whose name I forget who has a large MO following.
@schneur
my family is also from kurenitz
could you please write me at
ira.glazer@gmail.com
a dank
עולם הפוך
מרן הגר"ח לחסיד חב"ד: איד, אוואו איז דיין בארד
אחד מגדולי הליטאים, מרן הגר"ח קנייבסקי שאל לר' אריה לייב - לייביל, לארי בלע"ז, גארדאן, עורך עיתון ליובאוויטשער שביקר אותו לאחרונה, על העדר זקן
אנשטאט ליובאוויטשער פרעגען א ליטוואק, איד, אוואו איז דיין בארד?, דא האט דעם ליטוואק דאס געפרעגט דעם ליובאוויטשער
נו, וואס זאגט איהר הירשעל? די ליובאוויטשער דארפען שטורעמען אז א ליטוואק האט מוכיח געווען די רעבע'ס א חסיד? שומו שמים
ראה מה שלייבעל כותב על המפגש פה
http://5tjt.com/bibis-pool/
איז ער דען נישט גערעכט?
אוואדער מרן שר התורה איז גערעכט! אפשר מיר דארף עם שיקען מער ליובאוויטשער צו פיקסען, פאר תוכחה
באמת מען דארף משבח זיין ר' לייבעל אז ער האט פארשטאנען אז ער דארף גייען צו אן אמת'ער גדול, כאטש ער איז א מתנגד
מיט וואס איז לייבל א ליובאוויטשער?
גזע זיכער, חסידי הנוסח מסתמא, א ליובאוויטשער איידעם אויכעט, אבער מיט וואס איז ער א ליובאוויטשער?
מענדל
Mendel
Larry is the son of Nisan?
Nisan learned in Torah Vodaath,Did he learned in TT too?
פארוואס איז ער גערעכט. דער הייליגע חתם סופר זאגט אז דער וואס מאנט א שוחט צו האבען א בארד איז עתיד ליתן את הדין. ומי לנו גדול...
Mendel-
Forgive my ignorance in mishpochology, but who is Larry Gordon an eydim by?
Agav *his* son Yochanan has the Five-Towns-style kesher to Lubavitch, writes on his blog and Chabad sites his hergeshim etc..
Shneur,
Yuo are mitaking a drop.This guy here if he would of been Mizrochi, would of been good.I knew a lot of people who knew him in der heim and in EY.He was completely frey and a comunist.He started becoming shomrei Shabos in the end of 60's-his uncle Bohusher Rebbe ZAL worked very hard on him and his kids and was at the end matsliach.Why is this important? A guy who was mechalel Shabos should not play a Rebbe. PERIOD
העיקר היא לשיר השירים מה"היים" ולאכול קוגל כמו שאכלו ברוזין ובקאסוב
Russian Chasid- His Hebrew Wikepedia biography claims he was always frum .
I have no idea what he was slike, but if he was not religious he would hardly be the only Rebbe or Holy Man today who went off the derech and came back with a bang as a Rebbe.Others became rebbes after living lives of being completely frei.
A few we can mention: Helbrans,others I choose not to mention but I think you know them yourself.
In principle I agree with you about being a rebbe.(Even though being a rebbe today iz nit kin greyser kaved) But I go further some one who was frei for many years should also not be a rav of a kehilla and a madrich of other Yidden and today we have hundreds of BT rabbonim telling FFB Jews how to live their lives. We have all sort of frum Bt women writing English books advising frum heimishe wives and mothers how to raise their kids and run a Jewish home. A BT can pick up Jewish knowledge but in 4 years in Morristowen or Esh or wherever you do not pick up a derech hachaim If you could , being frum would not be much of a challenge.
Not A Harry,
Looks like you know a lot about Rizhin.Rizhiner Rebbes kmat did not eat at all.Kosov and Rizhin ....What a chulent.
Shneur,
you are from few intelegent guys here.You trust wikepedia?
I do not- for anything.In his case it is a pretty well known in our curcels that he was not frum.
Shneur,
Another thing - Helbrants is not frum today either.:)
Suku (his nickname) Friedman is.He is a nice guy, just he should not play a Rebbe.
You also picked up a great point- a BT should not be a manhig of any sfort.That's a long shmies however.
there's a famous line i think from mottel koozliner
"you ate chazir for 20 years now shut up for 20 years"
Bohush and viznitz, dude!
Here the claim is he was always frum
http://www.inn.co.il/Besheva/Article.aspx/11745/1
Rav mordchai neurgashal quoted the the kuzari last week that if one ever heard a goyish niggun or read a goyish book he is posul for nevua.
And maybe manhegut
So was that the last time he will open his mouth in public?
Russian chasid
You hit it on the nail "Play Rebbe". Most rebbes today are actioren Men shpilt di roleh.
You will excuse my bias but the last real Rebbe died in 1994. Yes there are a few erliche rebbes today but most are actors even if well meaning.
@shneur, you are a fool for thinking so. Please define in clear terms what the definition of a rebbe is, or is to you. Elaborate how Ramash qualified in clear contrast with all the Rebbes that were alive in 1994 up until this very day.
אז צען יודין גלייבען אין א בייזעם קען אס שיסען.
Rebbe's of that sort we have, but they can shoot.
Greater Rebbes exist too. But your statement is quite extreme.
schneur
I find your relationship with the last Lubavitcher Rebbe to be quite perplexing. You seem to have lots of respect for him, calling him the last Rebbe and such, yet on the other hand, sometimes you have less respect for him, even maybe poke fun.
what gives?
Quantify, the last versus most.
The לשם יחוד said before Chanukah licht States "על דעת כל הצדיקים והחסידים שבדורותינו ופי כפיהם ועשיתי כעשייתם"
I don't think the בני יששכר put in a expiration date. Is this not said by chabad because they only believe in one tzadik in any generation at a time? Or they can't say עשייתי כעשייתם?
What's the מנהג in Kurenitz?
it's not said not because of that specific toichen, but rather because NO l'shem Yichud is said before ANY Mitzvah! Once a day, before Boruch SheOmar, and that's it.
How did boruch sheamar luck out?
MO guy- I try calling the shots as I see them. I do not believe in Papal infallibility.
I do not belong to a orthodox "political party". I recognize the Lubavitcher rebbe as a great Jewish leader who did much for world Jewry but in our discussions of various issues , I assert he had a side that I find problematic. Yet he was dedicated to his position 24-7-365 and took it seriously a fact you can hardly say about the other players.
I also have great respect for the Rav for the Satmarer rebbe, for Rav Kook, for Rav Salanter, for Rabbiner Hirsch for Rav Shach for people like Meir Kahane, and Shlomo Carlebach for a man like Chief rabbi Moses Rosen of Rumania. No Jewish leader has the complete or only truth.
My rebbe rav Shimen Romm a Mirer and Mizrachi leader was preaching in our small shul on a sheine Shabbath and asked who was the greatest jew of our time I thought he was going to scream out The Chazon Ish, Rav Kook, Reb Chaim, the Chofetz Chaim, or Rav Reines but no he yelled out Ben Gurion for creating a Jewish state !
No negios no need to justify HIS party just the truth as he saw it. I TRY the same I don't need to say Lubavitch is always right or always wrong sometimes Satmar is on the mark many times more than 1 party is correct.
Today most frum people have their affiliation and that chug is always right. I was happy to meet a real Satmarer yungerman who had 2 heroes Rav Yoelish and rav kook.
@shneur, you sure keep strange company. You neglected to answer the simple question posed to you of how define the title Rebbe
Not a Harry
" Elaborate how Ramash qualified in clear contrast with all the Rebbes that were alive in 1994 up until this very day. "
is the Ramash leshem zilizul? or to specify who the last Rebbe of Lubavich was..
I need to know where you are standing on issues
Zilzul, now that you know, iz vus?
Shneur, why do you respect meir Kahana hy"d and lehavdil shlomo carle back? They were both well intentioned people who disregarded gedolei yisroel.
Who and what is gedolei yisroel?
Who died in 1994?
How do YOU define REBBE :
A man with a large following ?
A man who has a Beth Medrash in BP or BB
? A man whose grandfather was a rebbe or gutte Yid in Galicia 75 years ago?
A man who can learn gemora
??A man who can dance at chasumes and has nice tenuoth ?
A man whose grandfather or great grandfather was a rav in Hungary and now calls himself rebbe
anyone who calls himself a rebbe is a rebbe (definition that the Satmarer rebbe used)
anyone with last name of Halberstam , Eichenstein, Schneebalg,Twerski,Teitelbaum, etc etc.all of the above ?
some of the above ?
But aderabba what is a rebbe.
In Kurenitz hot der eylem kayn mol nit gehert fun heiliken Bnai Yissiocher.
Yener
to know if to comment
You understand now
In an issue of the weekly BASHEVA(supplement Esnachta)published by West bank chugim last year there is a long article about the rebbe's son Hoshea Friedman. he is the senior Reserve officer in the IDF. He speaks about his childhood etc. Presently he has a beard wears a shtreimel Shabbes indoors , has a long beard and Lubavitch style peyos but his ideology is strictly Mafdal. He claims his parents. were always observant but not medakdek. His older brother seems to be secular. He himself Hoshea studied many years with the Bhusher Rebbe in TA. He notes that for years the Imre Chaim did not speak to his mother although her siblings did have contact.Its a honest memoir of his early life.
Anyhow its a very interesting family.
I recall years ago being told by my mashpia that the important thing is climbing on the ladder -movement- even its down and then up but you are spiritually alive and seeking , while Misnagdim are static. This family is the same way genuine spiritual seekers based on Ahavth Israel, Ahvath Eretz Israel and Torah.
Let Rizhiner chassidim decide if the father can be a Rebbe .
אל אב די אבוב ויט סום עקסעפטשון'ס
One who is madrich yidden in avidas Hashem, in the derech that he or his followers were mikabel from mamshichei derech habaal shem tov hakadosh is a rebbe.
If you don't fargin a thousand nadvorna and spinke einiklach to be rebbes, I understand. I don't either, but that doesn't make them ois rebbes.
There were plenty great rebbes alive in 1994 and you shneur impugned their dignity and legitimacy.
קורעניצער עמארצים
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