In the world of
"Yeshivishe hock" much has been said - and by now written as well - about the article(s) in
HaKriah veHakedushoh that elicited very strong responses from Rabbinic personalities outside the
Chabad world. Supposedly the
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Rebbe כ"ק אדמו"ר רבי יוסף יצחק נ"ע was to have made "derogatory statements" about the study of גמרא. The truth is the articles were not written by the
Rebbe, as is clear from the pen name here, but I he was "to blame" because the publication was under his auspices. Some people would tell you that this is what started the divide between
Chabad and the rest of the
Charedi world here in America, and by extension in Israel and the rest of the world too. Some of the notables that were supposedly irked by the article were RAK and
Rav Shlomo Heiman, the latter asked RJBS to pen a response to the article, which was supposedly not to his liking anyway. This according to MOAG by R.
Nosson Kamenecki. That would make sense, since
Reb Yoshe Ber and the FR enjoyed a very good relationship...
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His comments about the Gra and R' Chaim Volozhiner didnt help either.
And koyodua the F.R was not a talmid chochom on any stature close to the geonim you mention.This was another reason for the hisnadus.Even Chbdsker chasidim of the time, did not consider hima talmid chochom of stature, certainly not be'Nigleh, rather as a rebbe and baal mesirus nefesh.The chidush of the Rebbe his son in law was that he was also a tremendous talmid chochom
Maybe it's all a mistake and Lubavitchers are normal?
Take a spin around 770
Read Bais Moshiach.
See how right the Misnagdem were
R'Hobermans kids (maybe grandkids) are unbelievable geonim and quite and humble.Chaim Berlin alumni
No offense but I see Lubavitchers as wierdos.I think they are mostly harmless,though
Shauly, a logician par exellence, makes assertions, backed by the "irrefutable" argument "Kayadua". And your source that the F.R. wasn't a talmid Chacham???
No source, of course.
Just because he didn't publish in Nigleh doesn't say anything to his geonus. Lo Rainu aino raya.
Shauly
".Even Chbdsker chasidim of the time, did not consider hima talmid chochom of stature, certainly not be'Nigleh"
you think Chabadsker chasidim were having toughts, how much Nigleh there rebbe knows?
You dont know chassidim and chabad for sure not,
Shauly
".This was another reason for the hisnadus."
you think Reb Aron Kotlers other friends, as the Boyaner or the Kapishnitzer knew more Nigleh then the FR,
who says moshe rabaini was a talmid chuchem? did he leave over a sefer of chiddishim? only tora shebiksav which HKB"H wrote...
To all the Lubavitchers getting angry,
I did not say the F.R was not a talmid chochom, I said he was not on the stature in Nigleh at least,of the giants mentioned. Such geonus is impossible to hide.
Btw, there is some nigleh from him, including a teshuva on sefiras haomer that R'Raitport and R'Keller, try to understand in one of the Chabad publications
Shauly
"To all the Lubavitchers getting angry,
I did not say the F.R was not a talmid chochom, I said he was not on the stature in Nigleh at least,of the giants mentioned. Such geonus is impossible to hide."
Nobody is angry, it is just that he was not the Rebbe of Chabad for his Nigleh, and all that was out there against him had noting to do with his stature in nigleh, and truthfully nobody knows how much he knew nigleh. But all the hate and hisnagdus against him was, because he had his own way of doing things and was not ready to yield for all the so called gedolim.
to shaully
did you ever see the letters of the brisker rov to the friediker rebbe?
could be the brisker rov did not know what is to you yadua, maybe i do not know
Has anyone ever seen the response penned by Rav Soloveitchik? Tzig, have you seen it?
And Tzig, what's your source that Rav Shlomo Heiman didn't like Rav Soloveitchik's response? (The other details you mentioned are in MOAG, that detail is not as far as i recall)
I saw it quoted in the name of MOAG. If it's not there I apologize.
How about someone analysing the "Goshen" concept in HkvHK
Was this Levitt making it up? I doubt it.
Im just seeing this now , late 2018.Im writing this just in case, maybe maybe , The Tzig reads/posts comments on older posts.
I heard of this controversy many tears ago, although the details are hazy. (The link in the post for more details is obsolete.) Where is the mekor for R Chaim Vital saying as such ?
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