Friday, April 17, 2009

Clarification (On Is this what Torah wants?)


It seems like I wasn't clear enough when writing the previous thread, and there are some clarifications that need to made. So, despite this being Erev Yuntiff in Lubavitch as well, believe it or not, I'll take the time to clarify, since you, the readers are so special and dear to me, like a student with special needs that needs everything broken down just so for him to understand...

Realize this: I'm not a jealous type. I don't sit and stare at people's houses and cars with my tongue out. I don't wish I looked like him or had his voice. It's not something I needed to work on very hard, it came relatively easy. Having said that there is a shtarke kinas sofrim thing going on with me. I do wish I could learn or teach or understand like the other guy does if I feel he does it better than me. Having said THAT, the yungerman we spoke about, the one who has no financial worries, and whom I have zero respect for, is not someone I emulate. It seems to me - and I may be wrong here - that all there is here is just a facade. There's no real learning going on, especially not the learning that is expected from somebody who has never had any worries and has everything done for him by others. Not in the Rashbi sense, just in the I-pay-for-everything-in-life way. I believe it's very easy to tell the difference between someone who really lives a life of Torah and someone who toots his own horn and just TELLS everybody how great he is for having such utter mesiras nefesh..

On to the other Yungerman. We can sit here and argue if he should close the Gemoroh and go find a job. But we fail to see that this was not the point of the discussion. The fact is that he has mesiras nefesh. He gave up the comforts of life abi to be able to sit and learn. His choshuv'e Rebbetzin also seems to share this noble way of life; she wants him to continue learning until they find it absolutely impossible, even if it means not having a car or a custom sheitel to her name. It's very easy for me to tell him to stop kvetching di baynk and get a job, but that would be like me going over to a messy kid and telling his father to get him some new clothes. It's none of my business. "Hizharu MiBnei Aniyim" seems very real to me. I have a hard time seeing anything great coming out of such a spoiled chinuch, especially one that also manages to scorn others who are not Bnei Torah in his eyes. I'm a firm believer in allowing serious learners to sit and learn. There definitely needs to be that element among us, their zechusim are very great, I just think it's way overdone, especially in E Yisroel. But who cares what I think....

15 comments:

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

...dear to me, like a student with special needs...We thank you for that heartwarming and complimentary comparison.

Anonymous said...

What does the pic have to do w/ anything you wrote?

Maybe A Litvak said...

'especially one that also manages to scorn others who are not Bnei Torah in his eyes.'

Yeh. What about a mesiras nefesh/Yungerman number 2 who scorns non bney Teyreh? He would have a lot in common with you; he would be looking down, (mashkiph) and you would be looking up, but at least you would be looking in the same place. V'dal

Harry Maryles could have written this peace, ashrechuh, you are in good company.

You add that little disclaimor of how much is he learning anyways. Let's say der gruhber would be learning ten hours a day and wrote a kuntres or two?

Anyways, obviously, 'nit dus hut R'Ahron gehmaynet'
BTW, 'R' Ahron' is a reference to der Gaon Hador.

Maybe A Litvak said...

One can doubt how much the 'Babs have chashivus for the mesiras nefesh of learning metzad atzmoy. Hashem Yerachem.

Maybe A Litvak said...

The nisht fahrginin was obvious in the first post; 'don't have to be a Maran to shmeck that oys'. V'kal

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

MAL

דו קריכסט שוין אף די נערווען

Anonymous said...

MAL

must stand for Ma Ahanu Lei rabanan

shame on you chazer fisel tzig

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Where was that pic taken?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

MAL stands for mach a leyben, you moron.

Maybe A Litvak said...

It is R"T for Mormons Aren't Lubavitch

Maybe A Litvak said...

Like to a child
who got riled

up over my words
that did not deserve

comments of the absurd


there is this dichotomy'
going on, inside of me

with my toungue stuck in
I can easily fargin

Mr. Double Chin

Oh how I am envious
of the life of that anyonamous'

Yoyshev b' ohely sheym
not for the sake of name

or of glory and fame

Don't forget: Uhbesoyph, Hakavod..

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Impressive, MAL

Maybe A Litvak said...

If only I can quit my day job...

Anonymous said...

The rov in the picture is R' Motti Alon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Elon

Anonymous said...

Tzig,

You are mocking a stereotype, the likes barely exist anywhere. Go wage wars against real issues.