Saturday, October 13, 2012

א שווערע שאלה... צו מעג מען גנב'נען צו מונע זיין א איד פון אן "איסור" חמור






































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This poster is from the main Satmar shul in Boro Park. The shul is under the leadership of Reb Aaron. But in order to gain control away from the Zali faction it took some struggle, including the use of some violence. The leader of the Zali faction in Boro Park is the former dayan of this shul Reb Chaim Duvid Katz who after being forcibly removed from this 53rd St. Shul opened a competing shul that is functioning as the Satmar shul under Reb Zalman Leib. Reb CD Katz - who is a radical kanai - when he was still dayan opposed having Artscoll gemoros in the shul. But the Aroni faction is relatively more moderate, and the very popular 'Bais Chaya' (in the basement of the shul) is fully stocked with Artscroll gemoros with many learning the daf every day there. Still it is an eye opener to see the obvious anger in an official Satmar notice decrying the "stolen" Artscroll gemoros (of the current daf). But it seems not everybody agrees. Look closely at the word "lomdim" it is crossed out and the word "leider," Yiddish for "regrettably" that many are learning - the daf that is.

Times are changing.

25 comments:

Bobov Chusid said...

b"h i"m in bobov where nobody learns from from artscrolls. bobov is from the top 5 in learning.

belz of today learns but fine.

with satmer they should put bar-codes in each sefer - once it comes thru the doors an alarm should start ringing (either public or private in ones office) and & a security camera will pick it up. the computer will pick up witch sefer `walked` out, thru the bar-code, just like stores ect have.

Anonymous said...

Read till the end of the Poster resorting to security cameras of stongly implied
Yosef 718

SatmarTc said...

BH thanks to Artscroll i corrected some mistakes that i got from the Torah tape library and many mistakes from www.e-daf.com

rebcharles said...

according to US News and World Report, what are the exact rankings of "top 5 in learning"?

The farher starts now.

איש בער said...

Bobov Chusid said..
"the computer will pick up witch sefer `walked` out, thru the bar-code"

Bobover Is there no maclokes in bobov-viznitz-belz-lubab-lakewood-telz-ponovitz ? etc. atleast satmar is true their tradition of hisbadlis?!

btw, I would put bar codes on each nash of choclate etc. in the stores, and by the shul kidush to see what's up..!

treifa o'siyos porachas b'avir said...

If they burn them, Artscroll will author an updated version of the kinah Shaali serufah b'aish.

איש בער said...


ס"ת שכתבו מין ישרוף אם עם האזכרות שבה

קליפת נוגה said...


Satmar is open minded and naive! when they see supposedly a good thing they latch-on to it believing that the grass is greener on the other side, but than when it start to rot and showing it's true colors, they don't hesitate and throw it out in a bonfire if needed! Like they did with spinka-ahrolac'h-belz-lubab-breslov! etc.

moshe moshel said...

The whole place is stolen, so maybe its rightful owners took out some books they disliked?

JJ Schottenstein said...



Art scroll is a purveyor of torah to goyim (many of their shas and other sales goes to goyim) the out come of that audacity will be felt for many years to come.. It has no place in any satmar shul, you would not see any Art scroll books in the flagships of R’ Arons shul’s in Monroe or Williamsburg, B.P. is a little to the left as it always was.., so they buy in to the secular/frum mindset but as always the frum in satmar will prevail.

מדרש איכה: אם יאמר לך אדם יש חכמה בגוים תאמן ואם יאמר לך אדם יש תורה בגוים - אל תאמן, דכתיב: מלכה ושריה בגוים אין תורה

Anonymous said...

Hey Bobov, there are numerous sets of Artscroll in the back of the old bet medrish, I've used em myself!

Noam

sick of bobov said...

bobov chusid you are so off the cliff.

artscroll shas has haskama of the late bobov rebbi zt"l, but yet i"m sure they use it.

you are nebech so blinded to bobov like a robotic mind set.

and why belz from the rest?

x bobover said...

"and why belz from the rest?"

If I may counter this question with another question, why amalek from the rest?

אשר קרך בדרך ויזנב בך כל הנחשלים אחריך ואתה עיף ויגע, ד"א לשון קור וחום, צננך והפשירך
מרתיחתך, שהיו כל .. יראים... בכם ובא זה והתחיל והראה מקום לאחרים

ouch said...

sick of bobov said:
"artscroll shas has haskama of the late bobov rebbi zt"l, but yet i"m sure they use it. "

It also has an haskama of the belzer, both have ADD

schmuk said...

moshe moshel said...
"The whole place is stolen'

Stolen from whom? is there a pesak beth din of such an accusation? or are you just shooting from your hip as usual and coming out side ways?

tibi lotzi said...

J J
"Art scroll is a purveyor of torah to goyim (many of their shas and other sales goes to goyim) the out come of that audacity will be felt for many years to come"
you got proof that artscroll sells for goyim?
I guess that in Satmar 53rd they have the Loshen Kodesh edition only, which I believe is being sold for Yidden only, unless the Tziyonim buy it too and they are much worse then Goyim

Anonymous said...

http://thepartialview.blogspot.com/2012/10/time-for-chabad-to-unite-for-rubashkin.html

moshe moshel said...

Shmuck, has any satmar din torah ever been sttled? In beis din no less!?

Yanover said...

Why the talk of burning artscrolls? the whole willyB crowd and satmar calls such people shkotzim. and they should know that Sefer torah shikoisvon nochri, poslim vgnizu.


also, interestingly its the same by mosrim, but i dont think anyones so makpid on that one (look who they let get oisyos in sifrei torah these days!)

anyway, a freilichen purim!

they only have the Hebrew edition said...

The Satmar Bes Medrash on 53rd street (Baia Chaya), is
this generation's Lakewood Minyan. There is a nice
kol torah, lots of seforim, and a varme oilam,plus the mikvah and the coffee room nearby (helpful advice- you have to PULL the milk dispenser's bar--not push).
It's basically Gan Eden.

bumbling carcass said...

moshe moshel said...
Shmuck, has any satmar din torah ever been sttled? In beis din no less!?
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Beth din don't suppose to settle just pasken! do you know of any din torah they had and didn't follow a pesak beth din! shigetz einer, your comments as always comes from a carcass who still bumbles a few words without any whatsoever inteligence left to it!

fetter said...

Which on of their turf wars has ever been in beis din? They get hazmonas and then go to court... Nebach

מעלה גרה'ניק said...

fetter said...
Which on of their turf wars has ever been in beis din? They get hazmonas and then go to court... Nebach
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The Fetter burps up his lunch again?!

א סימן ביזט א כשרע בהמה, כי מעלה גרה הוא

moshe moshel said...

וואס איז שלעכט מיט גנבנ'ן??

ר' חיים said...

moshe moshel: וואס איז שלעכט מיט גנבנ'ן??

!סתם מקשין ע״ה