Thursday, May 15, 2008

Save Us From Him!

a yid from Kishinev

According to what we're being told the Maskilim tried to save Judentum from people like him, the Jew from Kishinev pictured above. Well, maybe not this Jew, but ones like him. For all we know this yiddel was a pauper who worked hard for a living, so there was no need to save the others from him, only to save himself from the others.... This yiddel and all the others like him in the Pale, Poland and Lithuania and elsewhere didn't realize that they were being held hostage by the rich and the Rabbonim. They didn't realize that there was opportunity and firewood on the other side, and that they were being kept in the dark/cold by the evil ones. This is an ongoing them in the book I'm reading, although not as direct as that. There we see that the establishment in town - the Rav and the Kehillah - were indifferent to the plight of the starving and dying, and only worried about Jews stepping outta line. What's more upsetting is that the Rav in question is a Chossid, a mechaber seforim, very popular seforim at that.

You might say: Tzig, we're talking about a novel, a made-up story, why are you basing your opinion of people on a book written by a non-frum writer who had it out for the frum? The answer is simple, (and I apologize if the flow of my words is lost, and if you'r still in the dark about the book I'm talking about. I'll get to that Motz"S and Sunday, iy"h.) The answer is simple: Much of what was written about those times either was never reprinted or has been banned. From what we do know we know that the blood of certain people was muttar, and I mean that literally. They were allowed to be murdered if the people there thought it necessary. I speak of the Breslover Chassidim, who were attacked and scorned all over the Ukraine by the others. We also know that the poverty was great, and the chesed not so "ay-yay-ay." People today aren't allowed to starve like that. People take notice and help. Then it was like "this is the way it is." Maybe I'm rambling, and maybe I'm too easily impressed by books. Maybe. I look back at what I wrote here and I realize that s'hut nisht kein hent un kein fis, and I apologize if the message here is unclear.


Tzemach Atlas said...

I am blown away by this book. I have no words to describe it. I have not had a book make such an impression on me, ever.

I only disagree with you that now it is different. God forbid to fall on hard a luck, you will be alone like Michl or even Moshe Mashber (Der Zubrochener). And sometimes there not even an angel like Sruli Gol to give you a hand.

I will write about it later.

Hirshel Tzig said...

that's where I disagree. The reason MM was allowed to go down the way he did was because people saw him as being part of the problem. If you're up to part you know how the poor were quite happy with what happened to him. Also, the setup is such today that anybody who needs help will be helped. Sometimes people may not know about the situation, and sometimes people are too proud, but the organizations are there to help.

Tzemach Atlas said...

Hirshel, thank you for giving me this eternal gift, telling me bout this book. I feel I witnessed such an event, an artistic miracle.

Der Nister HYD is definitely a giant, He has overtaken Chaim Grade in my mind.

How somehting so huge could lay literally nistar from the people?

Tzemach Atlas said...

go to Chulent, the people there are left to die like Michl. I would not argue this point. You should never know, vdal.

Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm rambling, and maybe I'm too easily impressed by books.

yes and yes
and thats why and how you became a lubob
and now you are connected to all apikursum like tzemach,

Anonymous said...

I agree with Tzemach/ It is a very lonely scary world out there even among unzerer.

Got zol inz ale fun shverikaiten op hiten siz a bittereh matzav az men hut shverikaiten. miz git in shtoch un alein mitgot burich hee.

Moe said...

your words are boroh kachamah and apply to today as well and in unzereh kraizen also.

Uri said...

It's difficult to figure out what you are talking about.What book?What history?
Elaborate please.
From the snippet you mention about Breslov it seems that only now you have realized that the fights (read 'wars')between various chasidic factions was indeed vicious and even deadly sometimes.
Actually, though you are always talking about the chasidic/misnagdic fights, they were over after one generation more or less, the inner chasidic fights were way worse since they involved turf,money and influence.The reality was that Lubavitch and Misnagdim lived in the same places in Russia, got on most of the time and intermarried.In fact they got on so well that some had to reignite the fights so Lubavitch/Chabad would not disapear into another community in the shteytel and lose their uniqueness

cynic said...

the name of the book is"the family mashbir " authored by"der nister"aka Pinhas Kahanovitsh

Hirshel Tzig said...

Mashber, not Mashbir.

cynic said...

thanks for correcting my spelling

Hirshel Tzig said...