Tuesday, January 25, 2011

More Jealous Rantings From Me


Leib Tropper Gets כבוד מלכים In Israel!

I'm jealous. You're right. I also would like to live the good life instead of doing what I do. That's why I try and put him down, that fine, eydeler Yid who brought so many Jews back to the fold while I ate potato chips. That's also why I put down the Belzer and the Bnei Teyreh. What's that, you ask? why did Satmar put down everybody else in their newspapers all those years - and still do? Were they also jealous? Did they see the success of the Agudists and were green with envy? no. Were they jealous of the fact that young men found the answers to their questions in Lubavitch? G-d, no! You don't seem to understand/ Jealousy is a one-way street. Only Lubavitchers are jealous. Everybody else attacks out of very pure intentions. Tropper also had very pure and noble intentions when he attacked other Rabbonim. Only Lubavitch is evil and corrupt. The only question that remains is: does LT think we're still that naive?

73 comments:

Mottel said...

disgusting!

CR said...

From the article:

שני אירועים הביאו את הרב טרופר לבקר בארץ: הוא עלה לקברו הטרי של אביו, הרב יהודה טרופר ז"ל, שנפטר לפני כחודשיים ובירך על המוגמר בהוצאת ספרו של בעל 'טהרת ישראל' בתוספת הגהותיו של הרב טרופר

Pray tell, what is the subject of 'טהרת ישראל' and is Tropper the man to be writing on such topics? The satire here writes itself, even if only on the basis of the title.

Anonymous said...

I was never one to argue this way, but is there really a point to shemiras shabbos, kashrus etc if the game is so rigged? This is not unlike major CEOs who can do no wrong while their janitors who smoke one spliff are fired after some intrusive urine test. All the little people are subjected to scrutiny with schools, shidduchim, etc while this fellow can engorge himself sexually with people who rely on him as a rabbi and then meet chaim kanievsky. I guess this is where those Kupat Hoir donations go to, as well.

Samuel Gompers said...

Simple. To get on the sanhedrin one had to be able to provide 150 reasons for why a sheretz could be reckoned as tahor. Leib Tropper can come up with at least that many svoros for why organized prostitution with potential 'giyoressen' and his 'bnei teyreh' is actually a good thing, so in he goes!! Next stop for Tropper - he makes 'godol'....

Anonymous said...

is this a current picture? what is happening here? the gedolim and the askonim dont buy the story? can someone explain the other side(Troper) of the story

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

yes. current. Yesterday.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"I guess this is where those Kupat Hoir donations go to, as well."
why besmirch a tzedoka org that helps poor people in Eretz?

Anonymous said...

in yiddish they call him A Blechener Punim

berl, crown heights said...

You have got to LOVE this guy's azuth metzach. He publishes his הגהות onטהרת ישראל of all things! You can't make this crap up!

Anonymous said...

is it the sefer טהרת ישראל on hilchas Nidah from a poilisher rav? or what?

CHAIMSHMEEL said...

Kupas haIr is 20% tedukke 80% fraud, and heiliger frauds like Tropper fit right in!
(EDITED)

Anonymous said...

ChaimShmeel
I am not the Kupa board, and I think I never gave them a penny.
But can you verify your accusation?

Anonymous said...

Hirshel
Did you see the colorfull Hafroshas Chala signs of rebetzin Kaniesky, it is hilarious.I am starting to detect a certain feminization of Klal Yisroel, it is probably the cause of the Seminar brain washing of this idiotic lecturers

pitputim said...

Is there any truth to the rumour that he has rebuilt his name and now goes under the new nekudos, Treff-ir on Mondays and Thursdays, and Treyfer during the week?

Isaac Balbin

snagville said...

Harav Elya Svei said this fellow was Chzir Treif 20 years ago. Unbelievable how the world has changed. It is truly scary how much of an Olam Hasheker we live in. I am just stunned.

Anonymous said...

Well, he is nothing if not a magnet for the most pathetic, irresponsible, out-of-control sorts of people. From that Orand floozy to the assorted spellbound hero-worshipers in the photos Leib has got them all under his thumb!

dovy said...

20 starry eyed bts is not exactly "kovod melachim"

unimpressed said...

....yawn

Anonymous said...

Snagville
Reb Elye Svie said on Trooper?
is this a fact ? or revisionism? Reb Elye Ber does not have the Ruach hakodesh of Svie?

Anonymous said...

Dovy
was he accepted by the Gedolim?

Fed Up in Peoria said...

If he would have them only under his thumb, it wouldn't be a big deal but..

snagville said...

Fact. He used those words too. I assume your last question is a joke, right? No disrespect to REBW, but you understand there is a generation between those 2 people correct? If there is anything that ALL of us who peruse this site it is that 1 generation in Klal Yisroel makes all the difference in the world.

JJJ said...

Max Weber applies the term charisma to "a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which he is set apart from ordinary men and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader

JJJ said...

Weber saw charismatic authority not so much as character traits of the charismatic leader but as a relationship between the leader and his followers The validity of charism is founded on its "recognition" by the leader's followers (Anhänger). This recognition "is not the grounds of legitimity, but a duty, for those who are chosen, in virtue of this call and of its confirmation, to recognize this quality. "Recognition" which is, psychologically, a completely personal abandon, full of faith, born either from enthusiasm or from necessity and hope. No prophet has seen his quality as depending from the crowd's opinion towards himself", although his charisma risks disappearing if he is "abandoned by God".

JJJ said...

The characteristics of the charismatic style include:

•Leaders are viewed as having supernatural powers and abilities, the leader is viewed as a hero by followers
•Leaders are followed because of personal trust and the charisma the leader exhibits
•Followers are promoted based on personal charisma they exhibit
•There are no formal offices of authority, power is gained through social skills

Anonymous said...

You are both a jealous person AND an imfarginner.
Tropper is a nut that proves nothing, though you wish you'd have a tenth of his brains in your slow Hungarian head

Anonymous said...

Snagville
You mean Yeridas hadoirois?
was Rav Svei in European yeshivohs too? as Rav Gifter?

yidel said...

Lubavitch are always the First!
*First group to publickly anounce their rebbe as moshiach
*First group to anounce that their rebbe is shlit'a
*First group to claim boreinu

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Lubavitch are always the First!
*First group to publickly anounce their rebbe as moshiach
*First group to anounce that their rebbe is shlit'a
*First group to claim boreinu


which means all others should be doing it in 10-15 years as well.

Can't wait.

yidel said...

Hey!!
I like the way you try and dodge the bullet by trying "cyniscm".
Nice try but the truth is crystal clear:No other group has ever tried the aforementioned Lubavitcher antics!(and remained between the fold, farshteyt zech....vedal.Ve'im eyn daas havdoleh minayin..)

CR said...

"...which means all others should be doing it in 10-15 years as well.

Can't wait."

Wasn't there a video a little while back of Satmarers singing a version of "Yechi Adoneinu....Nosi Doreinu" while escorting the Rebbe home? It is already happening! ;-)

Anonymous said...

What a chutzpa of the Satmoyrem to sing nossi doreinu when Lubavitchers "own" that title.

shmilu said...

There is a "famous/infamous" story in Lubavitch about chsidem who would "dare" go to Vilednik.
Supposedly R'Hillel Paritcher said":zolin dee vaiber un mishugoyim gein tzu vilednik un chassidim veln bleibin beim rebbe'n."
I agree:The Tzigalach and Yehupetz , should go to Chabad and taking the other meshugoim mit zech

Anonymous said...

Eat your icicle heart out!!!!!!!!
http://www.vosizneias.com/74376/2011/01/26/brooklyn-ny-landmark-mishnayos-series-completed-vin-video-interview-with-artscroll.

Anonymous said...

is this takeh an emesdike mayse? that far back, with such a choshuve chosid?

Anonymous said...

And the interviewer is a Lubavitcher!!!
Eat your heart out!
Lubavitch has never published any Torah works of any merit.The sell them by the pound

zm said...

Not a true story.Snags made it up

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

shmilu destroyed the story with reb Hillel and the point. Why am I not surprised?

shmilu said...

"DESTROYED"
Apologist clown

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

no, not "DESTROYED," just destroyed.

shmilu said...

Oy bisti a chuchem bei'nei atzemecho.
Common Hungarian krenk

shmilu said...

Can you at least make it a fair fight by not saying real stupid things?
No need to prove your "credentials"

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

so we now know that Shmilu hates Lubavitchers as well as Hungarians. Whom DOES he like, or at least tolerate?

shmilu said...

I don't tolerate fools.
That leaves Hungarians and Lubavitchers out in the snow.
Double whammies are the worst

dovy said...

tzig, so can you tell us the true version of the rav hillel story?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

sure, Dovy

Reb Hillel was told of the great mofsim that the Viledniker Tzaddik did, that he helped an agunah find her husband, and that he cured a meshugener and made him well. So he said

ווייבער און משוגעים זאלען פארן אין ווילעדניק, דער וואס וויל הערן וועגן יחודא עילאה און יחודא תתאה, (נ"א, דער וואס וויל הערן חסידות) זאל פארן אין ליובאוויטש

stressing that in Lubavitch there was no emphasis on mofsim, but rather on Limud HaChassidus, which could only happen in Lubavitch beim Rebbin

Anonymous said...

Now Tzig puts on his "missionary" hat

Anonymous said...

Anon
"Lubavitch has never published any Torah works of any merit.The sell them by the pound"
do you know that a Lubavicher by the name Touger just finished to translate the whole Sefer Hayad that encompasses Kol Hatorah Kullo? Do you know that a Lubavicher by the name Stiensaltz (Even Yisroel translated the whole shas (the ayatollah of BB tried to stop him)

Anonymous said...

"Do you know that a Lubavicher by the name Stiensaltz (Even Yisroel translated the whole shas (the ayatollah of BB tried to stop him)"

And the deputy Ayatollahs, who are still alive and known "gedeilim" today, are completely silent about the Pashkevil they signed onto 22 years ago. Poseurs all; Tropper is in great company!

Anonymous said...

. לצד שאלות הלכתיות שהציג בפני גדולי התורה, קיבל את ברכתם לעבודת-הקודש שלו.

what exactly is his Avoidas Hakodesh?
what exactly are his Shaialous?
Maybe we the people can answer it too? or it is it too graphic for us to handle? Does he have a PR company that handles his portfolio?

kovod lubavitch said...

Steinzalts is not a lubavitcher. Period.No explanation needed.

fred said...

Ayatollah??
That's what you call rabbonim you disagree with??
Don't expect better from your enemies.
To get respect you have to give respect

Anonymous said...

Kovod
"Steinzalts is not a lubavitcher. Period."
does he daven in Satmar? Mirer Mnyan? Lubavich?

Anonymous said...

I've seen the video where the Lubavitcher Rebbe suggests that Rabbi Steinsaltz to change his last name to something in Hebrew with Ibn and suggests "Ibn Melach."

Eventually he comes back to the Rebbe and they talk about the name he chose, "Even Yisrael."

Do you know what was behind the Rebbe's suggestion that he change his name?

Anonymous said...

The tolerance of the host here reminds one of Hillel. Here you got an obvious idiot inane kid calls himself with the name Shimilu, who claims he cant stand fools and therefore resents the host and Lubavitch all the while hurling juvenile vacuous insults and at the same time still feels the need to hang around the site and rant.

In the past I thought the host wants a thoughtful site, but I have to conclude the he seeks argument acrimony which increase traffic no matter the quality of the posters.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

nit shein, anonymous. You can question why I allow such comments, and you'd be right for questioning it, but don't conclude the way you did. You try having comments such as that directed at you all day. I'm a person with feelings, even if they don't know who I am, and I don't appreciate being called such names, no matter the number of comments.

sam said...

Kovod Lubavitch,

In general,comments such as yours are sickening, Al achas kamoh vekamoh, when they come with such an honorable name attached.

What have you accomplished in the past 50 years to be the one to "Defend" Lubavitch?

Befrat, in light of R' Steinsaltz's recent interview on Living Torah, in which he explains that he basically flushed his reputation down the toilet to protect Lubavitch, your comments are all the more nauseating.

Grainom said...

Do you know what was behind the Rebbe's suggestion that he change his name?
simple, with a funny israeli name he wont be associated with normative judaism.

tzig, we all know who you are now, you yisrolik wilhems cousin.

Anonymous said...

Grainom, can you back that up with something, or it's just conjecture?

CR said...

"with a funny israeli name he wont be associated with normative judaism."

If today's self-appointed representatives of "normative judaism" meet with Naveilim like Tropper and give them Kashrus Shtemplech then R' AEI did the right thing in running away. Hey, maybe we should all try and keep up!

grainom said...

Ofcourse just conjecture. Unless he said something publicly does anyone know why the Rebbe did many things? Not a chance, start with why he didn't leave a successor or clearly defined leadership...

yehupitz said...

According to Arthur Kurzweil, the story behind the family name change is as follows: R Steinzalz's son was L"A not well. The Rebbe suggested that he change his last name to something with more Chesed and less Gevurah (as opposed to the more usual practice in such situations to change or add to one's first name.) And the son's health improved.

Kach Karasi V'Shamati.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"Do you know what was behind the Rebbe's suggestion that he change his name?"
Ilu Yedativ Heyisiv, if I would know I would ne a Rebbe

Anonymous said...

CR
""with a funny israeli name he wont be associated with normative judaism."
Why did Rav Elieshev the pope of Normative Judaism change his name from Arnov to El Yushiv, with Alef and a Bies rather then his Grandfathers(Leshem) way with a Eien and a Vav

Fed Up in Peoria said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosef_Shalom_Eliashiv

Yosef Shalom Elyashiv is a grandson of the kabbalist Rabbi Shlomo Elyashiv (the Leshem) (1841–1925) from Šiauliai, Lithuania. His father was Avraham Elyashiv of Homel. His mother was Chaya Moussa Elyashiv, daughter of the Leshem. He was an only child, born to his parents after 17 years of marriage.[1]

Originally his father's surname was Erener, but his father adapted his father-in-law's surname in order to gain a certificate to enter the British Mandate of Palestine. The Elyashivs moved to Palestine in 1922 when Yosef Shalom was 12 years old.

CR said...

Well, it is interesting that לְאֶלְיָשִׁיב is the 11th family of Kohanim mentioned in דברי הימים א despite the Leshem not being a Kohein.

"Why did Rav Elieshev the pope of Normative Judaism change his name from Arnov to El Yushiv, with Alef and a Bies rather then his Grandfathers(Leshem) way with a Eien and a Vav"

It appears to me that RSYE chose to spell the name correctly as it appears in דברי הימים whereas the Leshem spelled it phonetically the way a native Yiddish speaker would read it.

yossi said...

Rav Elyoshiv an only son born after 17 years as mentioned, in those days mind you, before todays "miracle babies", has a very large family with a 6th generation I believe

Anonymous said...

CR
"It appears to me that RSYE chose to spell the name correctly as it appears in דברי הימים
Naming tnachic names is very Mizrachi style, I guess this was still done in his Hiechel Shloma days, before he became a bigger Kanoi then Reb Amram Blau, I guess the 2nd volume Hashakden will get some alibi for that too

CR said...

"Naming tnachic names is very Mizrachi style, I guess this was still done in his Hiechel Shloma days"

Whoa! Slow down there, big fellah!

If you have issues with a Tanachic name you had better take that up with his father. All this happened when RYSE was but 12 years old. AFA not changing it or whatever it probably just was not a big priority. This is quite unlike some BT folks I know who could not wait to shed their "goyish" last names to take on one more "yiddish" sounding (the name they took sounds German, if you ask me...).

Chaim Berlin tragedy said...

To this day, and in spite of everything, Leib Tropper is supported by RAS 1000% ! No jokes!

After the public revelations of his trysts with his sex slave conversion wannabe Shannon Orand, Tropper went to RAS and told him a sob story that he was "entrapped" and not his "fault" seems that's the way RAS tells it over to anyone who he can tell this putrid garbage over to.

RAS is irrationally, mamash in love with Tropper and thinks he is "le'eila ule'eila" because ehr ken lernen and Tropper's an expert tuches lekker of "gedoilim" he targets for chanifa. This has been going on since day one of their first meeting about 33 years ago.

Tropper reciprocates to this day, he now even reports about RAS on his dumbo new "כבוד התורה" blog http://www.kavodhatora.com/, such as "Rosh Yeshivas Rabbenu Chaim Berlin in London" October 27, 2010, and see how he "farteitches" RAS's non-shita "shitos" regarding kiruv rechokim, which of course fits right into Tropper's control freak cult leader tactics with his nebech student-victims:

"Sunday, November 7, 2010

New Sefer on Rav Shach's View of Kiruv

A new sefer on Kiruv, a collection of many Maamorim of Rav Shach, zt"l is being published.

Rav Shach, zt"l had very clear guidelines for 'Avodas Hakiruv'.

There are many differences between the guidelines in Kiruv established by Gedolei Eretz Yisroel and the Gedolim in Chutz l'aretz, shlita.

The Gedolei Chutz l'aretz tend to have a more lenient approach about many issues related to Kiruv.

Hagaonim Hagadolim, Harav Ahron Feldman, Harav Shmuel Kaminetzky, the Noveminsker Rebbe, shlita are very involved in questions pertaining to Kiruv and view the questions from an American perspective.

Hagaonim Hagadolim, shlita Harav Ahron Schechter & Harav Elya Ber Wachtfogel have a consistent view with the Gedolei Ertz Yisroel on most issues related to Kiruv."

Thus spake Tropper, der "menuval shebemenuvalim" as Rabbi Rakefet labeled him berabim.

Maybe this is connected to Tropper's latest trip, in an effort to reinsert himself and reincarnate himself and make himself relevant all over again as "the man" and shaliach of "Gedolei Ertz Yisroel" (from America and Israel, meaning fanatics who don't have a clue about truly humane kiruv) to allow Tropper to continue making the mischief he's known for under a new umbrella.

grainom said...

cbt, its great to have you back, but dont you realize that you made this momentous post go from 69 to 70 and now 71 comments?

Fed Up in Peoria said...

How do you know it's Tropper's blog?

An Ailemesher said...

What did Tropper have to say about Lubavitch (which seems to be what you're saying in your post)?