Monday, November 20, 2017

"דיא טעלזער ישיבה עקזיסטירט ב"ה איצט אויך"




































What kind of inspired this post was the Bene Beraq Vizhnitzer Rebbe's recent trip to Cleveland to partake in the sheva brochos of his grandson. The Mechutan is the Cleveland-Aleksander (or is it Aleksander-Cleveland?) Rebbe, brother of the one in Bene Beraq. There was a flyer printed, welcoming him to the mistake by the lake and announcing the sheva brochos schedule. Signed on that flyer were many local institutions, including Chabad(!) and their respective Rabbis. A Midwestern friend of mine noticed that conspicuously absent from the flyer was the late, great Telsher Yeshiva! At first I thought that only shuls were doing the welcoming, but he pointed out that the Hebrew Academy signed. So what's going on here? Is it ad k'dei kach? Did they cease to exist? Well, in 1917 they announced to the world that they exist. Maybe they need to do that again 100 years later?

{To be fair the Kolel Yad Chaim Mordechai, technically a by-product of Telshe,is also absent, yet they exist.}




18 comments:

קליוולאנדער רבי said...

נעכטען דער מונקאטשער רבי היינט דער אלאקסאנדערער רבי, זעהט אויס ס'איז א שטיקעל בישה טאקע וד"ב

ראגאטשאווער ראפאגאשער said...

דיין דמיון פון "עקזעסטירט" שני פעמים וד"ל איז מרפסין איגרי, ממש אוויא דער

JaMarcus Welby, MD said...

The original article from דער מאָרגען זשורנאַל of Jan 17, 1917 can be found at: http://jpress.nli.org.il/Olive/APA/NLI/SharedView.Article.aspx?href=TJM%2F1917%2F01%2F17&id=Ar00200&sk=65630FFA

second opinionater said...

Dear Doc, what makes your link more original than this posted copy?

Layman said...

wow there is more rebbe's, gedolim, doctors, professors, commenting on this site than on any other. very progressive.

א ליטוואק בלייבט א ליטוואק said...

Huh?

Maybe they declined to take part in the Hasidic pow wow.

מיר האלטען אנדעריש' said...

?! העורך: דיא טעלזער ישיבה עקזיסטירט ב"ה איצט אויך

"Some years ago, some not very bright characters decided that there was some kind of war between Charedim and chilonim ". א מיינונג אזא

המכונה ליטוואק פון בודא: אין די ליטווישע וועלט איז באקאנט א מעשה. דער סאטמארער רב איז אמאל געפארען קיין "קליוולאנד" און מ'האט איהם מכבד געווען מיט א שיעור אין ישיבת טעלז. ווען ער איז דארט אנגעקומען איז עס געווען בין הסדרים, און א פאר בחורים האבען געשפילט באל אינדערויסען. דארט האבען אפילו די בעסטע בחורים געקענט שפילען בין הסדרים. דער סאטמארער רב האט בתוך דבריו פארדאמט דער ערשיינונג אז בחורים שפילען באל. נאך זיין ארויסגייען האט איינער פון די ראש ישיבות זיך אויפגעשטעלט און געזאגט פאר די בחורים 'אבער מיר האלטען אנדעריש'. י

Telshe Yesh:

http://www.accessjewishcleveland.org/organizations/t/telshe-yeshiva.aspx

JaMarcus Welby, MD, Phd, JD, CPA, LSW, RN said...

second opinionater:

The added value here with the link is that some people like to know the source of where ר' הירשל gets some of his interesting information. Now the וועלט will know the date of the article and which newspaper it came from. You might or might not be interested but others are.

Belz-Telz-Stone's said...


Rav Elya Meir Bloch z"l - from Telz On Zionism -

"The independence of Israel, the establishment of the State, is an important event in the life of our people�.In my opinion, despite all the defects and shortcomings in the conduct of the State of Israel, its very establishment�which came about by means of open miracles�has a great importance we need to relate to with recognition and satisfaction. We need to express this recognition publicly for two reasons: one, because the truth needs to be said and revealed, and two, so that everyone will know and recognize that our battle against the government of Israel is not directed against the very existence of the State.

My opinion is that the establishment of the State of Israel is truly an important event in the life of our people and we relate to it positively.

I have already expressed in general my view that we have lost many [from following our own ideology] because we refrained from recognizing the correct things [in the State of Israel. Many from our camp have been mistakenly doing this] because the irreligious and their Mizrachi attendants hold them [i.e. the correct things in the State of Israel] up in order to build up their own incorrect ideologies. In my opinion our own views have not resonated in the hearts of the wider community, not because of our correct attitude [of disapproval] towards their incorrect ideologies, but rather because of our [unnecessarily] negative attitude towards the correct things, such as the study of Tanakh, Hebrew, and Eretz Yisroel. [As a result of this,] the community cannot understand our concerns. On the contrary, if we stress our positive attitude towards the grain of truth in the hands of the irreligious and do battle against [only] their falsehood, [then] the community will understand us. I also must state that this policy of ours [of appreciating the good aspects of the State of Israel] was not invented in recent years in the atmosphere of America. This was our policy also in Lithuania, despite that then, as now, we are complete zealots regarding anything that is not, chas veshalom, in accordance with the spirit of the Torah; we have not retreated because of persecutions and defamations. Sometimes also great burden, pain, and harm have come to us and the holy yeshiva [for maintaining this moderate attitude.]" -Rav Bloch

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The above letter of Rav Elya Meir Bloch's has an interesting story behind it. It was first published in 1969, in a book called Mitzvas HaShalom, a collection of material relating to intra-communal peace and harmony compiled by Rabbi Joseph D. Epstein. When a second edition of this book was published in 1987, Rav Bloch's letter was conspicously absent. What had happened?

Shortly after the first printing of Mitzvas HaShalom in 1969, some men broke into Rabbi Epstein's garage and set fire to all the unsold copies, which were being stored there. A Satmar Beis Din subsequently forced the hoodlums to make full financial restitution to Rabbi Epstein, but most of the first printing had been lost. When Mr. Gerald Parkoff (of Passaic, New Jersey) offered to finance a second edition in the 1980's, Rabbi Epstein asked that the controversial letter be removed. His wife was sick and infirm at the time, and he just wasn't up to another stressful confrontation with anti-Zionist fanatics. 

מר. פעלזנשטין said...


.בתחילת שנת תרצ"ב הקים ישיבת "תומכי תמימים" בריגה והביא מליטא את הרב מרדכי פוגרמנסקי, תלמיד ישיבת טעלז לעמוד בראשה

מזמור לאסף said...

בשנת 1885 בהשפעת חתנו של גורדון - ר' יוסף יהודה ליב בלוך. בזמנו חלק גדול מבני הישיבה היו ציונים.  -שמחה אסף שנות הלימודים שלי בישיבת טעלז

Telzai said...

צי'ג - לא דובים ולא יער - They made a Kobolas Ponim and the featured speaker was Reb Dovid Goldberg - Telzer Rosh HaYeshiva. Also in attendence was R Sholom Schapiro R Arle'h Levitansky R Getzel Fried ansd others.

poor me. said...

very impressive.

Sol said...

Hirshel so was the rav circumcised or not ?

C9 said...

http://jewishnewschannel.com/2017/12/how-chasidus-gur-pays-its-bills/

poor me. said...

"Forbes Presents: The Richest Rabbis in Israel"

#2 Gerrer Rabbi, Yaakov Arieh Alter (NIS 350 million),

#3 the Belz Admor, Rabbi Yissachar Dov (NIS 180 million).

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/forbes-presents-the-richest-rabbis-in-israel-1.435748

כל דפריש מרובא פריש said...

מנהלי החינוך העצמאי אינם חשודים על דקדוק בכל המצוות שבין אדם לחברו, אבל את הפסוק "מבשרך לא תתעלם", הם מקפידים לקיים עם כל ההידורים. בדיקה מגלה: החינוך העצמאי הפך לעסק משפחתי. משרד החינוך פתח בבדיקה. לייזרזון: "להקים ועדה". חרדים

http://mobile.kikar.co.il/article/100391

Clevelander said...

Fake news - the Telzer Rosh Yeshiva R' Goldberg spoke at the Kabbolas Ponim for the Rebb