Tuesday, January 13, 2009

"?וויפיל גיט ער דארט"



The above picture was taken at the Seudas Aniyim tonight in Seret-Vizhnitzer Hoyf in Haifa, Israel. I know that the ארימע חתונה is a time-honored tradition in many Chassidishe Kreizen, and I'm sure they had good reasons for it, but I doubt they happened like this, where the ארימעלייט were made to get up on a stage and "beg" for their money. The Rebbe's simchah shel mitzvah is very apparent... Is that 10 shekel? fifty? a hundred? only the man with the Yechi yarmulke about to get it knows, unless you've got a eye like a hawk and can make it out. I'll tell you what, I know this poor thing has little pride left if he shows up to get his portion of chicken and few bucks, but do we have to make him climb up on a stage where a thousand nosy bodies are stretching too see how much cash he's gonna get?

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53 comments:

Mottel said...

Maybe it's a prepaid credit-card :-)

אברבנאל said...

מתן בסתר נוסח וויזניץ

Anonymous said...

>Is that 10 shekel?

There is no 10 seq bill.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

bills start at 20 shekel now? it's been a while since my last trip to the Holy Land. Almost 14 years now...

SatmarTC said...

TZIG
you are miissing the point!

the idea is for everyone to see how much money the Rebbe gave, and the they emulate the Rebbe and give

20 shekel becomes 20.000!

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

I don't see the Oylem emptying their (empty) pockets just yet...

chchick said...

That's one mighty fancy chalat/bekeshe (or whatever they call it) the Rebbe is wearing.

Eli said...

The goat/tsap/dog/whatever you are,
Why is it that you are allowed to mock other rebbes,yes, here you are mocking the Sereter, but when people point out some very crazy stuff about your group you have a hissy fit??

Anonymous said...

i dont think there were as many phony aniyim and phony tzedokos in the past as now. half of the money given will go to buy drugs.

Chnyock said...

a seudas aniyim is kol dichfin yaisai vyaichol AND get a couple bucks...

Anonymous said...

Its Sick Plain Sick
Its so low I dont even think it makes it to the Rambams List of ways to give Tzedakah

schneur said...

I wonder if in Israel you can call the Seudas Aniyim - the Seudas Sefardim. Would any normal Chasid no matter how poor, participate in those celeebrations as every charedi Jews wishes to impart the impression that he is a Nagid, Tafser and Aluf, maybe a Rosh hamedina !
I recall that in Warsaw in 1929 there was also a seudas Aniyim prior to the Rebbe's wedding. Am I correct or dreaming ?
The Seret Rebbe is a n interesting man. In the early years in Isreal he was very modern wore very modern clothing and served in the israeli Army(I was not there , but this is what I heard from more than 1 person ). He seems to have really grown into the job. When he first became rebbe , he shared responsibilities with his brother rav Moshe whom I often saw on the Upper West Side collecting funds in the 1970's. The rebbe was clearly atd uncomfortable in his new job. But as the years past he has become an impt figure in the Israeli Charedi world, doing excellent shidduchim etc.

Anonymous said...

Excellent point Tzig

Anonymous said...

its all one huge scam - there all full of BS

UD said...

If you search on youtube, you can find dozens of hours of footage of rebbes giving out dollars to hundreds of people. Do you have have a problem with them all or is it just with the Sereter, who seems to tickle all you people from the wrong side ?

snag said...

Maybe he is taking a page from your Rebbe (lihavdil) by giving out bills in public? Is that the problem? A chutzpah, imitating the 'nosi hadayr'??

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

oh please, all of you, especially snag.

Anonymous said...

Is it "Tzig" or is it "Sick"?

Anonymous said...

UD and SNAG...
Obviously just expelling wind here. The Rebbe was not giving people Tzedokoh on Sundays.Not to the wealthy people who came to visit and neither to the poorer folk.Said so countless times. Rather he was mezakeh people to become shluchei mitzvah and to distribute the money for tzedokoh.

Anonymous said...

UD and SNAG...
Obviously just expelling wind here. The Rebbe was not giving people Tzedokoh on Sundays.Not to the wealthy people who came to visit and neither to the poorer folk.Said so countless times. Rather he was mezakeh people to become shluchei mitzvah and to distribute the money for tzedokoh.

UD said...

Lemai nafka mina, if it's 10 shkolim straight for tzedoko, which is what Sereter is doing here, or if it's a dollar for someone to be a shliach for tzedoko ? And a bonus question : how many of them actually gave it to tzedoko and how many kept them ?

Anonymous said...

To UD 12:19 --
Du retzt vi a naar..

The Rebbe himself said countless times (at the Sicha preceding the chaluka of dollars), to give the dollar - "o chilofoi" - l'Tzedakah.!

Those who had a yekirus for something that was touched (or given by) a Tzadik, obviously kept the bill, and in its place, gave another one to Tzedakah. K'Maamorom Z"l: "Kedusha lo zoza mimkomoi."

Mendel said...

Kimdumani that the se'udas aniyim before the Rebbe's wedding was a meal in a public kitchen paid for by the Freiediker Rebbe see at the bottom of this page http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=blog_new&article_id=86&lang=hebrew a far cry from the public giving of funds depicted here.

Mendel

UD said...

Anonymous : what's with the insult ? I may rett vi a naar, but you _are_ the naar here. You answered one question; thank you for that. How about the first one ? What's so obviously wrong with something that was touched by the Sereter tzadik, yet so obviously right when done by some other ? Try to stick to the subject ...

Anonymous said...

>>Kedusha lo zoza mimkomoi.

With all due respect, do you really think you have translated the above statement correctly?

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Tzig come on. Are you looking for what to criticize? Be happy he's giving and maybe some other people will learn.

Rozhinkeh said...

Why did the rebbe have to give people dollars to give tzedoko? What all those takers - couldn't take a dollar out of their own pocket? How come other Jews give tzedoko naturally while chabdniks need to be 'paid out' by their rebbe?

Where else in the history of Jews was there such a minhag for the rav/rebbe/ etc giving moeny to be passed on?

Strange, strange,strange.

emes said...

A few simple comments. The rebbe in this picture obviously wanted to give the tzedoko himself at that occasion, thus people had to step up to him. Add to this, perhaps similar to the Lubavitzer Rebbe's dollars, that this "public giving" may also have been an act of chinuch of tzedoko and consideration of another - as in "don't just give them present food where everyone else eats as well, but also hard cash for them to buy what they do (or think they) need."
To be sure, the "optics" in the picture (as evident from the comments) are not good, but you can be dan lekekaf zechus, especially when relative to an odom godol. Could it have been done in another way - perhaps, but it is no worse than giving to those collecting daily in shuhl or beis midrash.
Your cynical question how much it was is out of order. And if the optics are so bad, why post it in the first place? The Torah avoids to speak bignuso shel behemoh etc., so why would you want to do this here? Do yourself, and lichvod haTorah and chassidus, a favor and remove this post - even as you did re Lakewood controversy, for nothing good or positive is served by it, but aderaba....

UD said...

I disagree - I don't think the post should be removed at all. It serves as an excellent illustration of how an almost identical arguably good deed is treated with an explicit double standard depending on who does it.

schneur said...

Its DER REbbe not DI rebbe , di is feminine. Why can't Chassidim write Yiddish correctly ?

eli said...

Schneur,
The Sereter Rebbe served in the Army Rabbinate and did not wear modern clothes.He always had his peyos and beard.I've seen a picture of him from the time

The Bray of Fundie said...

Theatre is taboo, but Judaism as theatre is OK????

What chasidim did by a tisch 150 years ago is beyond me but the notion of watching the same scripted routine week after week or month after month to, mikloimish, absorb darkei avodah, is beyond comprehension.

A. Meheikhi teisee that the types of Avodah that are good for the Rebbe are equally good for the Chosid?

B. Im timtseh lomar that imitation is all good why the years and years of repetition? I could be wrong but the impression that I get from reading Chasidisha history is that 100-150 years ago things at tischen were less scripted and more spontaneous. Torah said for the whole crowd was somehow tailor made for each individual in attendance.

shimon s said...

schneur said...
"Its DER REbbe not DI rebbe , di is feminine. Why can't Chassidim write Yiddish correctly ?"

I dare to disagree. It was der rebbe in europe. In 21st century america the bad english (THE read as DEE) became part of the the new yiddish. That's because yiddish started as a street language and still is one.

Chnyock said...

as Reb Chaim said, the difference between a chosid and a misnaged, is ONE rebbe.

you can mock every rebbe but your own rebbe shlita

Anonymous said...

Eli
are you sure that the Sereter Rebbe was not a tank mechanic?

Joe in Australia said...

Rozhinkeh said...
Why did the rebbe have to give people dollars to give tzedoko? What all those takers - couldn't take a dollar out of their own pocket?

This is takeh a very good question. Here's another one - why do so many Lubavitchers want to set up Chabad Houses? What, they can't move to another country and sacrifice their lives on behalf of other Jews without being associated with the Rebbe? Well ... no. You can see that something special happens through a chossid's association with his rebbe which makes the chossid capable of amazing things. So even though giving a dollar to tzedoka is a much smaller burden and is within the reach of most people, given that people (and not least the Rebbe ZTz"L) placed so much emphasis on it I must conclude that the association with the Rebbe in performing a mitzva had a profound effect on them.

Yankle said...

Hershel, something just occured to me as I looked at the pic here. The guy is wearing that yechi-ad on his yarmulka, he does look like a nebach, and he does look a little excited at all the attention. Hmm, he definitly fits the description of... yeh! The famous Hershel Tzig!
Could it be?!
Wow!

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

I was in New York then. I have alibis and witnesses.

Anonymous said...

Chynok
As the Chazon Ish said the difference between a Brisker and a am haoretz is 1 blatt gemora in Zevochim

Anonymous said...

Seret Vishnits is a special place.

Unlike everyone else who ran to Yerushalayim, Bnei Berak etc... they went to Chaifa, even before the Rebbe Yechi had shluchim there. His father started with nothing there and barely any other charedim let alone chassidim and supporters.

Even today, most chilonim there respect him and not only has he made a kidush hashem but built a chasidus lshem ulsiferes respected by the whole town.

If you knew hom much he shuns kuved, you would know he could only do such a thing so that others will learn and follow, which is what he has given his whole life for.......

I contrast this with the Heiliger Frierdiker Rebbe who enjoyed the financial support and connections of former talmidim who were fraying out in America pre-war (yes look at what Itzche the Masmid wrote about them when visting America as a SHADAR....so not my opinion - I wasn't there)
Not to make light of anyone else.
Unlike most....this one is for real.....

Anonymous said...

>>are you sure that the Sereter Rebbe was not a tank mechanic?

Interesting. The Sereter Rebbe arguably falls within the Rebbe's credentials for moshiach--he actually fought milchamos! Yechi HaAdmor MeSerer-Vizhnitz!

Anonymous said...

This cannot be. It is clear that the Kalifer Rebbe is the Nosi Hador. And we all know that the Nosi Hador is Moshiach. This means, without question, that the Kaliver Rebbe is Moshiach--in actuality.

Anonymous said...

CANNOT BE. We all know that the Admor of Pruzhan-Stutchin has revealed himself as Moshiach. Yechi Hai Admor Me Pruzhan Stutschin!

Shmuel Grainom said...

the holy books say that a rumor of ones death are a segula are for arichas yamim. gimmel tamuz was simply a rumor of the rebbe shlitas death c"v. it is due to that rumor that he has lived so long. יחי המלך

Anonymous said...

Perhaps, but there is a clear contest between him, the Kaliver, the Admor of Pruzhan-Stutchin and the Seret-Vizhnitzer.

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Yechi the kaliver rebbe.
Yechi the vizhnitzer rebbe.
Yechi all of the schmendricks who have nothing better to do than comment on this blog (v'gam ani b'socham)
We should all be zoche to arichas yomim.

Anonymous said...

Why not yechi the Pruzhan-Stutschiner? Why is it that tzadikim must suffer in this world from degradation?

Anonymous said...

Anon 1;19
Did the holy Reb Boruch Sereter and the holy brother Reb Chaim Mayer not take money from the ungefressene maromorosher msgulechem, even the holy Kanoi the Monseyer built his yeshiva from Kassirers money.

Shmuel Grainom said...

yechi modeh bmiktzas!

Bert said...

Reb Tzigi, I need your expertise here on an extremely important inyan. Its regarding this Yechi yarmulka delemma that I'm having. You see I have always worn the traditional Tzivais Hashem yarmulka during the week, and since I save the best for shabbos Kaidesh, I wear my Yechi yarmulka on Shabbos of course.
Now I recently came across a beutiful 770 yarmulka that was simply irresistible, I was mamash able to feel the Rebbe Shlita there. So I went ahead and bought it. The problem now is, when should I wear it? On Shabbos Kaidesh instead of the Yechi yarmulka?! Or during the week instead of the Tzivais Hashem one. Maybe some of the Anash here have a solution.
While were on the subject I dont understand why we dont start wearing Yechi Gartlach likovid Shabbos Kaidesh, and maybe even Yechi shoes to match. Why not? no?

I GTG now, but just a friendly reminder to the Anash that might have forgotten to say Yechi today you can still chap arayin!

As always...Yechi!
Bert

snag said...

Es ken zein az es iz gor poshut.

Oifen A - The Sereter Rebbe didn't learn Rambam yaymi as was decreed in Kan tzivah, so mimeileh he efsher forgot what the Rambam writes about the different levels of tzedoko and that the highest is when sai the naisein and sai the mekabel don't know each other.

Oifen B - the Sereter Rebbe wanted to be mechaneich his Chassidim that there is a special inyan to give to a Lubavitcher, bifrat if he wears a yechi yarmulke. If he would have given to him privately, they wouldn't see that in the same way as in the picture.

seen it all said...

Tzig, I think you're reading too much into this. The Seret Vishnitzer is a fine aideleh oivad Hashem in his golden years. Unless proven otherwise, I highly doubt he intended his seudas aniyim to be such a spectacle for the ormaleit who showed up. It is a wonderful minhag, and it's doubtful this pic does it justice.

Anonymous said...

The Gaavad and Admor of Pruzhan-Stutchin, shlit"a gives away all the money he received during the day to aniyim every day, though its done in a very tzniuse way. I remember hearing him once giving money to a father so that the father can pay for his daughter's chassuna (through the door, I should not have done this, I know)--how he asked about the family, the chosson, his family. I remember how b;simcha he, the great Rebbe, was for the father, the family, the chosson and kallah. And then I remember the Rebbe thanking him for giving him the zechus to be mishtatef in his simcha.

I am not sure how much the Rebbe gave him. But the man came out looking ten feet taller, with a hugh smile beaming on his face.

When I witnessed such true ahavas yisroel, such love for every Jew, I knew that I had to know this man--the nosi of our dor. May he help us have Moshiach revealed in our time, in actuality, very soon.

Yechi HaAdmor M'Pruzhan-Stutchin!!!