Right now the Tzig is at a stage as far as the blog is concerned where nothing is good enough for the blog. Nothing passes muster. Everything is silly, passe' or both. Even a wonderful, glorious, derhoybene Shabbos next to the Kodesh hakodoshim biZman HaZeh is not enough to get me to write, despite the uplifting time had there by all. Do I write about Lubavitch? Satmar? Telshe? Ponovezh? Vizhnitz? Kretshnef? How about I go back to writing about my childhood in various Boro Park Yeshivos? You guys seemed to like that.
Help me.
107 comments:
tzig,
Are you chickening out,
as the Satmars used to say, the train is riding and the dogs bark
chickening out from what, exactly????
"Even a wonderful, glorious, derhoybene Shabbos next to the Kodesh hakodoshim biZman HaZeh"
Yuck, stop with this garbage.Kodesh hakodoshim bezman hazeh??A cemetry?
I don't expect you to understand
Without silly language like kodesh kodoshim, etc can you tell us a bit about the shabbos?How many people?
What kind of farby's? Why was it so uplifting?
If you don't expect people to understand don't write it or explain.
Thank you
Look here,
You can try and act normal and address normal people without all kinds of Chabadsker hergeishim and superfluous nonsensical language or lose readership.Lubavitch sites are all over the web with all that .Your site could.........maybe, have some kind resonance for heimishe people or regular people to discuss some aspects of Lubavitch and it's history.
The word here is DISCUSS.So shut off the " lubab outreach mission".
Do you want a blog with a couple of your gevorener buddies posting the same boring drivel OR guys like Yosef718 or Schneour who come with a different enriching perspective?
If you just want your buddies just go and talk to the mirror while you sip kool-aid
I hear
Tzig - If you want our help, I will throw in my 2 cents (for what they are worth). In my opinion there are two parts to the blog, the Lubavitch posts and the non-lubavitch posts.
I for one love your posts about Satmar, the litvishe velt, especially the pre war stuff. I don't care much for the Lubavitch posts.
The problem happens when these two parts get meshed together. Somehow the comments on a very parve post become annoyingly anti-lubavitch (yes, it even annoys me, despite being very anti-lubavitch).
I think you should keep these separate. Just my two cents.
Are you interested in hearing the Tolner Rebbe speak about the Rebbe MH"M at the Melava Malka on his yortzeit last year? BTW his nephew is the shilach to Lima, Peru.
Aynikle,
How is Blumenfeld of Peru nephew of the Tolner?
Hirshel
To all your ignorant snags,
The Gra writes in his biur on Tikunim 22-2 (Bederecch Do) Bizman Hazeh shein Tzadikim Badoir, Veain Moitzai(Hashechina)Mokam Loniach,Oiz Hi Shoira Al Hatzadikim Yeshainai Ofur, this is a quote of the Gra, you can do the translation for the bums that probably cant read, this is not reb Nossun Breslover, this is Gra stuff.
Here are some ideas if you really don't know what to write about.
1)For starters, how about the gimmel tammuz post a couple of us are looking forward too? If you don't have what to write, maybe transcribe some of the better thoughts from a farbrengen.
2)You can do that (the farbrengen bit) on various other occasions too
3)I just thought of a weekly feature called "chazaras hashatz" -- every Friday you post all the lashon hara people said between kedusha and Modim the whole week. Kreiz-politics only, of course. Personal lashon hara is still assur.
More ideas upon request, email me.
The Tolner Rebbe was a brother-in-law to Moshe Slonim z"l and Blumenfeld was a son-in-law to Moshe Slonim.
Hirshel
Please give a report and whoever has low tolerance should skip the scene untill some other stuff comes up to their weird taste.Hirshel, a Tzibele zoil... but give us the report
Reb Yoel was there? was there some highlights, he was very geshmak in BP by the fabrengen.
Hirshel,
is the picture Obama's Kenyan Father? it resembles him.
Tzig,
What I find best are:
1) Historical pieces, stories, gossip, pictures from the old country...its fascinating stuff from a period we're moving farther and farther from
2) Stories and news that have been surpressed through the years - the stuff people arent supposed to know. It doesnt have to be Loshon Horah....I think your pieces on the Shanghai boys is a good example...
3) Disagreements between leaders, groups - most people are fascinated to know why there are disagreements etc, the history, who has whos backing etc.
Juicy, but not too loshon horadik!
Hirshel,
'is the picture Obama's Kenyan Father? it resembles him.'
Can't be. There is no Chabad house in the backgound- unless they cropped it out
Snag Jr
its a good line sell it to dave letterman
Hershel
Maybe post something positive like this even though you and I both know why.
מצוייני צה”ל בדרכם לאוסטרליה עם צעירי חב”ד
(יום שני, ז’ תמוז ה’תשס”ט)
קבוצה של עשרה חיילים פצועים מעופרת יצוקה ומלחמת לבנון השניה יצאה ביום ראשון בערב למסע של נופש ומנוחה באוסטרליה כאורחיו של השליח הרב יעקב בארבר ממלברון. חלקם קיבלו חופשה קצרה ממחלקת השיקום למחלקת תיירים ובחזרתם ישובו להמשך אישפוז ● לבקשתו של ראש המשלחת הרב מנחם קוטנר מנהל מטה צעירי חב”ד למען נפגעי הטרור התארחו החיילים בתא הטייס וקיבלו הסבר מקיף מצוות הטייסים לסיפור המלא
קבוצה של עשרה חיילים פצועים מעופרת יצוקה ומלחמת לבנון השניה יצאה ביום ראשון בערב למסע של נופש ומנוחה מהשיקום הרפואי. חלקם קיבלו חופשה קצרה ממחלקת השיקום למחלקת תיירים ובחזרתם ישובו להמשך אישפוז.
עם הגעתם לשדה התעופה הפתיעו אותם בצעירי חב”ד בקבלת פנים מיוחדת על ידי נציג בכיר מאל על שליווה את הקבוצה לשירות מחלקה ראשונה ולאירוח כבוד בטרקלין האחמים.
באוירה מרוממת נכנסו למטוס ומיד עם ההמראה הודיע הכרוז על המשלחת של צעירי חב”ד עם פצועי צה”ל בעוד כל הנוסעים מריעים להם במחיאות כפיים.
לבקשתו של ראש המשלחת הרב מנחם קוטנר מנהל מטה צעירי חב”ד למען נפגעי הטרור התארחו החיילים בתא הטייס וקיבלו הסבר מקיף מצוות הטייסים. הרב יוסי סברדלוב מצעירי חב”ד מצוות המשלחת הודה לצוות אל על על הכבוד הראוי שהוענק לחיילים הגיבורים בשעה זו המשלחת בחניית ביניים לקראת הגעתם לאוסטרליה כאורחיו של השליח הרב יעקב בארבר ממלברון
As to Snag Junior the writer of inane posts ,when you become a "senior" efsher vet dir tzu kummen ah bissel seichel.
"How about I go back to writing about my childhood in various Boro Park Yeshivos? You guys seemed to like that."
Why R U asking just do it.
Saddest of all is that you are unable to give a chazarah of what you heard there that was so inspiring. If it was same old, same old then it was indeed just from the hergesh of the makom and zman.... fleeting sound and fury lhavdil.
Makifim nicht arein in kelim?
Then indeed the goal of 28 Nissan has not been even broached on this blog
"How about I go back to writing about my childhood in various Boro Park Yeshivos? You guys seemed to like that."
But does that hint at a Teshuvah al HaTeshuvah al pi Breslov?
'The word here is DISCUSS.So shut off the " lubab outreach mission".'
That is impossible. Lubab outreach is not something devolped by the sechel or learnt it is part of their mitzeyus and the Leader ingrained it in them. Just like a baal chay can never become oys baal chay,etc, and a Yid will love Hashem cuz that was ingrained in our etzem mahus from the Avos, Avrum Avinu bifrat, we can never lose it because it is not just a techunah that will probably be handed down to the kid, but is part of our Metzyus. Similarly, lehavdil, can't expect a Lubabitcher not to missionize
I am waiting for a sattelite radio station just for Moshiach on the air or w/o chasidus you can't become on ehrliche yid...
Or maybe just a cable chanel. I am sure they can find a shliach and bleach his teeth, plaster a smile on his face and have him speak about how the Leader changed his life and call out people from the crowd and make them say over sichas in tongue and then...
Snag Jr
The reason your various posts are so nonsensical and ridiculous sounding is because your'e a "Jr".When and if you grow up and become a "Senior" un si vet dir tzu kumen ah bissel saichel come back and try again.Right now you sound like like an escapee from some mental asylum.Maybe taking your Zoloft will get you back on track.
Anon3
all those painkillers for your broken arm are affecting your reasoning. S'is nisht duh mit vemen tzu gein tzu der tish
Snag Jr
Good comeback but now you really have me worrying.
Felt the need to point out the following.
Based on what The Baal Shem Tov writes to his brother in law R' Gershon Kitover it is obvious that he himself holds that a person is OBLIGATED to be a chassid and involved in the spread of chassidus.
This is not a chiddush of Lubavitch or The Rebbe ZY"A.
It may be possible to be "ehrlich" without chassidus but a person certainly cannot maximize their potential without it lfi the shita of The Besht.
Sure. Every group thinks their mehalech is the best, yet, outside of Chabad, you have to be hard pressed to find rhetoric like 'ay you see that there where those who were ehrlich w/o our mehalich, ach, they were like the blind guy who still manages to cross the street, don't be like him'. Not even from Leader, way before that, Rebbes from a certain group would tell their Chasidim that when Mashiach comes the big Gaon will learn with the pushiter Tomim, chasidus. Yes, Leader just took it one step further with his rhetoric against a person who he couldn't hold his own with in learning, yet he publically ridiculed him. the proper emphasis is that when Mashiach comes maybe, if the Tomim is worthy and did some of that koyach hapoyel benefol when he fed Snags who were in places they shouldn't be, maybe that would give him the zechus to learn Teyreh with a Gaon. Regardless, such talk is irresponsible and is maktin the erech of T"C in the eyes of the homeyn, which aids and abets their current sheyfos for Godlus in Teyreh and respect for Talmidey Chcchomim. Leader ultimately benefited from his isolationist teachings, cuz, Leader's followers were trained to scorn T"C that disagreed with Chasidus. The story with R' Ahron showed s gentle and more pleasant person/mehalech.... They don't have such stories with Leader. They don't even feel they have to invent them, cuz it wasn't a value that Leader transmitted. There are many stories how when R' Ahron was strong against a Chasam Sofer in shiur, he was very makpid for his Kovod.....
Don't worry Tzig, even the best of the writers go through writer's block and the "Summer blues". You have produced so much quality blogging that it puts you in the class of a perfectionist for whom it must all be high-level, so don't be your worst enemy.
Take me for example, even though I have not posted reponses in a long time, I check in on your blog almost every day and I read at least the headlines and main outlines of what you have to say and I am therefore 100% that there are countless numbers of "lurkers" like me who are doing likewise.
The main thing that keeps a blog rolling along and the readers hooked is to just put up something, anything, that is in the spirit of your interests of this blog and that keeps the readers coming back. I think that was the great secreof success that Yeshiva World News and later Vos Iz Neies discovered, AND THEY ARE JUST BLOGS masquerading as "news outlets" is that if you keep posting a few newsy items every day, and have a "comments feature" for every story, that it takes on a life of its own and you develop a redaership from just posting at least a few little things every day. You don't have to do that but try to post once a day, unless you hit on a main story that needs to be focused on longer.
So if you can't come up with any new creative posts every day, and who could, the professional news bureaus have huge staffs to report and put things together, just post small items from anything else you come across online or in the news with a few sentences from you giving your take or point of view on things.
Have a great Summer and happy blogging!
Snag Jr.
I must admit that when comprehensible your overly long and verbose posts seem to indicate that your quite intelligent but whats the point?
They are off topic and have no relevance to the subject at hand.If your purpose is to denigrate the Rebbe, for your own well being I would suggest you cease now because your playing with fire.In any case there are other blog sites that would appreciate your type of insulting retoric so do everyone a favor and take a long walk on a short pier.
To Snag Jr.:
"Every group thinks their mehalech is the best, yet, outside of Chabad, you have to be hard pressed to find rhetoric like 'ay you see that there where those who were ehrlich w/o our mehalich, ach, they were like the blind guy who still manages to cross the street, don't be like him'."
I dont see how this statement in any way means anything meaningful.
Who cares whether or not you find something by others? It is the shita of the Baal Shem Tov that everyone needs to learn Chassidus. Whether or not other groups holds that way, or publicize that they hold that way is completely not relevant. Anyone can open a Toldos Yaakov Yosef or Keser Shem Tov and see for himself what the Baal Shem Tov writes. Therefore even if someone were a T"C if they did not learn Chassidus then in that aspect of their Avodas Hashem they are lacking and therefore when they come to Olam HaEmes they will see the truth and will regret not having learn't Chassidus.
Now if you hold not like the Baal Shem Tov then you should hold definitive like The GR"A in which case you shouldn't be communicating with those of us in Cherem.
my point floated over your head. Chabad is uniquie and special regarding the fact that they have, in many respects, more OVERALL respect for a smaller oyved who is exposed to chasidus than a greater oyved who never saw the light. that is a critical distiniction which you fail to get.
"Now if you hold not like the Baal Shem Tov then you should hold definitive like The GR"A in which case you shouldn't be communicating with those of us in Cherem."
what an inane taynah. You must really be desperate. I shouldn't communicate with people, who there is a chshash that in their toych toyches/pnimius/etzem mahus, they want to bow down to want of those photos.
Your accusation was leveled already at the first generations of Chassidim. It's not unique to Lubavitch.
It's not that I dont appreciate Talmidei Chacham. I just dont appreciate hisnagdus as it neged the whole tachlis habria according to The BeSH"T.
Furthermore, in what way is it your business to quantify who is a bigger oyved? The fact that such and such person is a huge talmid chacham in no way means that they necessarily maximized their potential in comparison with a seemingly simple person.
"Furthermore, in what way is it your business to quantify who is a bigger oyved? The fact that such and such person is a huge talmid chacham in no way means that they necessarily maximized their potential in comparison with a seemingly simple person."
This is similar to the Rebbes abhorrence of the term "kiruv richokim" whether used by himself or a poshter Yid or the most choshuver of Roshei yeshivos,because who are we to judge who is really koroiv or rochok.To do so is the hight of audacity.
"Furthermore, in what way is it your business to quantify who is a bigger oyved? The fact that such and such person is a huge talmid chacham in no way means that they necessarily maximized their potential in comparison with a seemingly simple person."
oh my. you do get the point, do you.
"You are soyser yourself, cuz you appreciate the guy with chasidus more, despite the whole 'who are you' etc. then, suddenly you know
It's not that I dont appreciate Talmidei Chacham. I just dont appreciate hisnagdus as it neged the whole tachlis habria according to The BeSH"T."
and that overrides the maylah of the T"C, right? if you had to pick, you would pick that, right?
you can start the side stepping know- hem and haw and hem and haw..
"This is similar to the Rebbes abhorrence of the term "kiruv richokim" whether used by himself or a poshter Yid or the most choshuver of Roshei yeshivos,because who are we to judge who is really koroiv or rochok.To do so is the hight of audacity."
Arthur,
When it comes to "mechalelei shaboses" and other tinokos shenishbu you are non judgemental and full of love.When it comes to Menagdim/Snags/Satmar etc you are full of curses and hate.One sec! I thought that "who are we to judge"??
Drivel.
Listen to your wife.Leave the internet and play a bit more with the eyniklach.Better for you, better for us.
Snag Jr
"I shouldn't communicate with people, who there is a chshash that in their toych toyches/pnimius/etzem mahus, they want to bow down to want of those photos" if you shouldn't communicate with this, then please stop barking like a Kelev Shoitah, so far you didn't contribute nothing worthy, even in the world of chabad bashers there are some blogs that have some new twist, but you are a old recycled budweiser can.
Al Franken
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".When it comes to Menagdim/Snags/Satmar etc you are full of curses and hate.One sec! I thought that "who are we to judge"??"
I don't feel honored that you think you remember in detail what I did or did not say a while back.However never on this blog site have I in any way even spoken about Satmar or misnagdem in either a positive or negative way.I certainly haven't cursed them.
Minagdem to the Rebbe ,yes.People, whether so called "gedolim" or posters who have in the vilest and repulsive ways described and cursed the Rebbe ,yes.If they look upon my Rebbe the way they do and without the slightest hesitation describe the Rebbe the way they do, I in return do not feel it incumbent upon me to show them an iota of respect.
"Oif in ganiv brent is hittle". If the hat fits and you fit the mold I would say that you take your own advise and leave this blog site.Hirshel is a tzaddik for allowing you and your ilk to spew your repulsive hatred for the Rebbe and Lubavitch on his blog site.Take it else ware.
'my point floated over your head. Chabad is uniquie and special regarding the fact that they have, in many respects, more OVERALL respect for a smaller oyved who is exposed to chasidus than a greater oyved who never saw the light. that is a critical distiniction which you fail to get.'
to which you responded
"Your accusation was leveled already at the first generations of Chassidim. It's not unique to Lubavitch."
If you think you can shtell tzu what the Besht held to you appreciating a regular chosid with some chasidus to a Gaon-that you can shtell it tzu to your lack of haruchuh for a T"C you are grossly mistaken and you are probably an Apikores (which is worse than an Oved avodah zarah)
comment deleted its owner
Why was my post deleted/
can't handle the truth, insinuate that they do idolatry and Tzigster can be soyvel it, show that they are heretics and you run for your life. Fech
Now think of something to reply
Hershel
Did my reply to Al "The Goat" Franken get through to you?
Tzig
at least he is non discriminatory in his deletion of comments. one good thing about him, despite his roots- he is the classic tinok shenishbah- he was only exposed to one form of Judaism (I am being generous)- no wonder he rebelled
You guys are full of stiras/contradictions- you put on that toothy grin, but there is a lot of nisht farginin beneeth the surface- you want to have T"C to and you convince yourself that you have equals and the Lubabitcher teenagers are just as good as the rest, besides for the fact that they 'don't learn Rosh yeshivos' in other words they don't understand lumdos, they understand listening to the Rebbeh like good sheep and the easy Chasidus, but they don't have teefer kep like true bney Teyreh that they can't fargin. so, amidst this whole hippie-like equality-every soul counts as long as he is saved, there is a deep kinah and we all know that kinah leads to sinah (or the other way around, they feed off each other)for those that are moyser nefesh by choice to live on minimum budget, they might quote from the Besht but in the pnimius it is Sinas hadus, r"l. the yungerman doesn't always get instant satisfaction- he doesn't always see the world that he is holding up- the Lubabichers thrive off the fact that the avaryonim look at them as saviors and are their link to holiness- they live off of that and many feell more comfortable amongst the michaleley shabbos who look at them with awe than a Ben Teyreh who sees them as nebachs whoses shichitah can be relied on bshas hadckak,- but really if there was no Chabad house they wouldn't be there in the first place, so Leader can take credit for them going to those places... they see they believe in Mashiach, but many would be mivater on it if it would expose the Rebbe, so they are not really anticipating Mashiach so when they get aske 'tzipeysuh liyeshua' they are gonna be white, and when they get asked about dealing with emunah they are gonna think about.....
they might find you early Chasidic sources that allow bowing down to a Rebbe, but you can bet your 401K that if someone of that group bows down to the picture of Leader, no many sources he shows you, he is an oyved avoydeh zarah mamash (Kiechad mamash. v'dal)Like by the Seder when the chuchum uses the same exclusionary language as the evil son, but sometimes the righteous and the wicked perform the same act and one is holy and the latter is doing a terrible aveyrah. V'dal
How the heck to you decide wich posts to allow in and which ones to delete? If I say over a sichah, will it get in?
Snag Jr.
Its ironic that the holiest shechita and hashgocha in the world is Rav Landau vs. the weakest shechita is Shearis the snag shechita, it needs constantly new life by Eliashev and Kanievsky.In the Mir in Yerushaliem shearis meat is pushed in by political force.
Its ironic that Chabad with all his emphasis on outreach have Roshei Yeshiva as Geonim as Povarsky,Finkel... I am not discussing the mother of all am aratzim presiding as rosh yeshiva in the biggest yeshiva in the world Harav Kotler shlita, in Chabad a am horetz like himwould never get a rosh yeshiva post.
Its ironic that chabad has rabonim as Rav Ashkenazi, Rav Rietport, Rav Belinov. when the empasis is outreach.
"If your purpose is to denigrate the Rebbe, for your own well being I would suggest you cease now because your playing with fire"
Now with the Snag fire and brimstone you are going to hell in a hand basket talk- why do you think that a Snag would think talking about Leader any differently than you spewing out-for the thousandth time cuz you haven't yet convined yourself- that a yid fuhn Bney Braqu is a baal machlokes. Please be consistent and keep this conversation on a high level and avoid predictable ranting- it is an ineffective means of communication- it is important to be organized and coherent in order for others to fully comprehend the nuances that you are attempting to convey. I understand that this is unsolicited advice, but it would be wise for you to keep it close to heart and mind. V'dal
Snag Jr.
Do you realy think that the ben torah of Lakewood is bichlal a metzios by a Chabad bochur? he is a nebach in his eyes since he has no Hasoga in achdus hashem. All the stuff the ben torah knows he knows as well, all the Ketzoisen,Kovetz shiurims are quoted by all Chabad Roshie yeshivas. But the ben torah is missing the hasoga in achdus hashem
Snag JR
Sheifous to gadlus is the biggest sin you can do in Tomchei Temimim. The holy Reshab didnt make is yeshiva for sheifas..
Snag Jr
My father A"H used to tell the story of the fellow who was visiting an insane asylum and fell into a conversation with one of the inmates.After conversing with him on many intellectual topics for quite a while the visiter could not understand why this inmate had been confined to an assylum.After all he was so knowledgeable and sensible, but he was puzzled by the fact that the inmate had not sat down during their long and interesting conversation.Curiously he asked the inmate "far vos zitst ir nit"? to which he replied "Vos teich?Ich hob doch ah glezener tochus".
You sir,remind me of "der glezener tochus".Every time I begin to think that your posts show some degree of intellectual capacity and you aint such a bad guy after all, along comes the "glezener tochus". namely your last piece of gibberish and convoluted "logic" and poof,there goes my original assumption of you being a reasonable and intelligent indiviual but in reallity your nothing more then some poor soul who has lost his marbles.Nebach.
Hirshel
Is Al "The Goat" Franken blackmailing you? This guy writes alle shvartz yor and you allow it.When I respond to his insulting post to me you delete it.MaiHai?
Snag Jr.
"Do you realy think that the ben torah of Lakewood is bichlal a metzios by a Chabad bochur? he is a nebach in his eyes since he has no Hasoga in achdus hashem. All the stuff" the ben torah knows he knows as well, all the Ketzoisen,Kovetz shiurims are quoted by all Chabad Roshie yeshivas. But the ben torah is missing the hasoga in achdus hashem"
you prove my point. you hate them,but you can't fargin them you are not mischashev with them but you have to be convinced that you are equelas? BTW, you sound like a Moron the way you talk about the Rosh Yeshiva seforim; it is obvious that you have no shaychus
Anon3
very very funny. thanx. made my day
I didnt prove your point,
he does not hate him
He fargins them
the bentorah is poshut not a metzious in eyes.
O Vey the pipsquik snag labeled me as a am horatz sine I didnt use the lingo of his yeshivahs.
Snag JR
Using reb Aron Kotler for a example of kevoid hatorah is a little farfetched, he didnt respect the Shulchan Oruch when it was in his way, as the famous story by the Eiruvin Assifa that Reb Moshe told him to stop his tantrum since the Poskie hashulchan oruch think different then him and the Mishkenois Yakov. I would rather use his FIL as a rolemodel but I assume your mesivta Rebbe told you different.
Anon 3
I like the the Glezerne Tochus story, and you used on the right guy.
"and that overrides the maylah of the T"C, right? if you had to pick, you would pick that, right?"
I would rather be an oyved and a pushiter chassidish yid who is involved in the tachlis haberiah than the biggest so called T"C who is against it.
In Mir sure you have alot of bochurim shteigin in learning but its all intellectual masturbation without the right attitude.
You are an apikores. Woe to the women who gave birth to you, oy vey
"he didnt respect the Shulchan Oruch when it was in his way"
since when did people like you care about what the Shulchan Aroch says?
Anon 3
"I like the the Glezerne Tochus story, and you used on the right guy."
It was a great story. it is hard to face the truth, please use any defense mechanism at your disposal- what ever works for you.
Feivel,
"n Mir sure you have alot of bochurim shteigin in learning but its all intellectual masturbation without the right attitude.
dont get suckered in by the snag mifget about Mir, I was there in the Mir, 55 to 60 percent are learning maybe 4 hours a day, ita Tummel a Matzav but its all hot air,
Tzig, what about more posts about old time levush, I thought that was interesting
Snag Jr,
The chasidim started to pasken like the shulchan oruch a half hour after the Gra told his talmud Reb Chaim valoizhoiner that he doesnt have to pasken as the shulchan oruch.
oh my lets make this interesting- I was anticipating a lively and energetic give and take with a bunch of Leader-kep on why it is heresy to pick a shilaich over R' Moshe Feinstein. even I, was shocked that a Lubabticher actually said he would pick a Tomim over an Adom Godol. (just joking)
I am fair game for anyone who tries to defend that- please don't tell me it's true cuz you think Leader meant it- puh-leezed
Sorry was unable to respond as I was without internet access for the last 24.
If you intended the apikores comment towards me then I would like some sort of intelligent explanation as to why.
Also for what reason should I want to be R' Moshe? Yes it would be nice to be a phenomenal T"C but I would rather be on the right overall track. First things first. Then let me worry about being a Gaon.
To anonymous: I also learned in Mir and I am aware of the matzav.
I was referring to you and your compatriots.
If you think that the Eybeshter is more tziffredin with you over R' Chaim Kanievsky than you are an apikores. You do know that the heilegeh Besht said that chet is keneged the tachlis Habriyah. You think that someone who is muley chatuim kirimon is OVERALL superior to someone who is not reyn fuhn chete and is masim layloys kiyomim in the four cubits of halachah. You pick sins over that and for that you are an apikores. (I will leave the may ahaney ley rabonnen argumetn for now)
Your assumption is that anyone who is a "chossid" is full of sin...
Second of all there is no such metzius as "muley chatuim kirimon" as the opposite is clearly stated by chazal (which you are obviously aware of as you are making a play on words)
You say I'm an apikores because I would rather be the sinful person than the T"C but my sin according to you is being the apikores. You either obviously don't see the circularity of that logic or you think that I will not see it. You have yet to display in what way I am an apikores. Show me that I have stated something that is against the Torah c"v or that I don't hold of any of the ikarim but please don't be so silly as to say things that anyone with something between their shoulders can see as being false.
You misunderstood me. I don't assume that "anyone who is a "chossid" is full of sin". I was referring to a chossid like yourself.
The term 'sin' was not referring to the actual belief, but to sins kipshutay.
Like bitul teyreh, loshon horoh, etc.
You sin all of the time, yet you still think that you are better than R' Chaim Kanievsky.
Hence, you pick sin, over 'not sin', bishitah. Hence, the apikorses. What don't you understand!!
You are misconstruing my words.
I did not say that I think I am better than R' Chaim Kanievsky.
I said I would rather be myself than R' Chaim Kanievsky.
Although I do emphatically add that I have a better hashkafah then R' Chaim Kanievsky because b'metzius his or any non-chassidic hashkafah is wrong.
As to your accusations that I am full of sin like a pomegranate your already contradicting chazal.
Also you dont know me, you dont know R' Chaim Kanievsky, and you dont know the cheshbonos that Hashem makes so your unqualified to compare us or our zechuyos and/or sins.
But the yesod of all of the avodah is to have the right outlook. According to the Besh"t the ONLY outlook and the ONLY path is that of Chassidus. Therefore why should I want to be someone who isn't even headed in the right direction?
The overall quantity or quality of either of our sins is not relevant.
"I did not say that I think I am better than R' Chaim Kanievsky.
I said I would rather be myself than R' Chaim Kanievsky."
Did you not assert that the Aibeshter is more (overall) tzifreden with you than with him?
It is positively impossible for me even guess who Hashem gets more joy from. Not between me and you or R' Chaim or R' Moshe or The Heiliger Baal Shem Tov or Moshe Rabbeinu or some nebach who leads a tortured life.
It is none of my business either.
The ONLY thing that is my business is fulfilling the will of Hashem.
Now since according to Chazal the reason Hashem created the world is because he desired a "dirah b'tachtonim" and because that will be achieved by the gilui l'asid lavo (May it come now!) and because The Baal Shem Tov queried Moshiach himself about when he will come and was answered "when your wellsprings (i.e. Toras Hachassidus) are spread outwards and because this is a question of metzius (as in the metzius of the way the whole world is designed)
it is obvious that if you believe The Baal Shem Tov you have an obligation to be a Chossid and spread Chossidus because that IS the will of Hashem.
Therefore its pashut why I would rather be any chossid than any misnaged. The misnaged isn't even on the right overall track.
hem and haw and haw and hem- evasive and repetitive.
You pick someone full of Cheteh over someone who isn't. I guess they never told you that cheteh is kineged the tahlis habriah, and kineged the whole mitzeyus of the velt, the way it is designed, etc...
Stay away from my wine.
"It is positively impossible for me even guess who Hashem gets more joy from. Not between me and you or R' Chaim or R' Moshe or The Heiliger Baal Shem Tov or Moshe Rabbeinu or some nebach who leads a tortured life."
please tell me that you didn't mean to write Moshe Rabbeinu. This is getting scary.
You continue to ignore and not answer what I have said yet you reiterate your accusations.
It is impossible to quantify or qualify how much joy Hashem gets from anything. It is beyond our realm of understanding. Also it has no bearing whatsoever on my avodah.
I have clearly demonstrated that it is an obligation to be a chossid. In as much as any misnaged is not fulfilling that obligation I have no reason to want to be them.
Ideally I would love to be a groisser talmid chacham and a tzaddik in addition to being a chossid. But for what should I want to be a specific misnaged?
Also I find it hilarious that you continue to equate being me with being mulai chet. No Jew is mulai chet.
If you would rather be R' Chaim Kanievsky then yourself then you have no hasaga of what anything is about. If it were better for you to be him then Hashem would have created you as such. If Hashem did in fact create you as such and I am in fact having a conversation with R' Chaim Kanievsky then I want you to know that k'mat the whole yeshivishe velt is still shaving even though your father already said his soul burns with rage because of that disease and that electric shavors are vadai and issur deoraisa.
I give up.
You can't understand pushete zachin and you have been fed this ez vet zayn gut form of Judaism. I see that your have a grubeh kup and you defnitetly don't understand chasidus. Nisht duhs hut der Besht gemaynt.
I had enough of you. You are just regurgitating the same platitudes and talking points that they surgically implanted in your skull. You try to defend your apikorses and you some how go off on a tangent about shaving with raizors. Oh my.
You should spend some more time gazing at Leader's tzyiur. Maybe you would shep some sechel and yiras shamoyim. Another perk, is that staring at it absolves you from sin, so you got nothing to worry about- at least it's more convenient than going to a confession booth.
Hatzluchoh in your bizuy talmedey chachumim- I am sure you will be in yenne velt sitting next to those who taught you how to think like this. Bring a fan
Bon Vayoge
It does not surprise me that you were not even once able to intelligently respond to my points yet you speak decisively as if you have vanquished me.
I will try one more time to be very clear so clear that even one without anything between his shoulders can understand.
One is not allowed to be a misnaged.
Therefore one is not allowed to be R' Chaim Kanievsky.
I also understand one is not allowed to do aveirahs. Therefore every morning I resolve firmly I will neither do aveirahs nor will I be a misnaged.
I am sorry that you equate disagreeing with T"C as being "m'vazeh" them.
Now if you were pursuing this discussion in a truthful way you would make some attempt to respond to or refute the points that I have brought up. If you are not pursuing this discussion truthfully then there is no reason to continue.
"I also understand one is not allowed to do aveirahs. Therefore every morning I resolve firmly I will neither do aveirahs nor will I be a misnaged."
Not in that order. That's the problem
There is no order. It is all one idea.
Now as you have shown you have nothing meaningful to respond to anything I have laid out I bid you a good night!
discussion over.
Bye Bye
your life is one long road that you pave with good intentions.....
snag jr grew up on snag svara as opposed to litvishe svara. (as in he's a litvak with all the negatives and none of the positives) Keep spouting boych svaras, it's becoming clearer and clearer that you worship your gedeilim as much as any lubavitcher does his, you just don't use the term boreinu or elokim because you have no hasaga of divinity
Feivel,
You are on the right derech and Rav Chaim is not. Hm. I ate by a shaliach, (the son of a major mashpia in Chabad) who did not know basic hilchos muktzeh. I exaggerate not. Please explain to me how that can be a better derech than Rav Chaim (or anyone else). Is hilchos Shabbos now irrelevant to you as long as you have the Rebbe? You make Chabad sound silly.
snag jr
you convinced me. at least you admit to your idolatrous tendencies. that's good- fist step for Teshuva
Michoel,
Do you think after all the chabad bashing thats going on here, I will buy any rechilos you have to say,
I can come and say that I saw Rav Shustals son ate a ham sadwich, Hirshels site is infested with hate and nothing that will come up will shock me,as long its in the vein of anti chabad.
BTW,if the guy is un reliable,then why is he reliable on keeping a kosher home, or you ate Matzoh and tuna fish,
Snag JR,
A apikoras has to die, teshuva won"t redeem his neshuma according to chazal, he can become a misnaged since they are semi apikorsim.
"Snag JR,
A apikoras has to die, teshuva won"t redeem his neshuma according to chazal, he can become a misnaged since they are semi apikorsim."
unless you are really a snag posing as a Follower, you are doing a terrible job. even heretics MUST do teshuva. Duh- the s"t nikers at least inspired others to act differently cuz the Mashiach is comming- people shut their business, sold their houses, they gave themselves malkus, that was one of the reasons why some Rabbonim were reluctant to be Moyche- you guys are not like them, you don't act like yidden who wait for Mashicah, don't worry, keep on digging for diamonds...
Feivel,
You are on the right derech and Rav Chaim is not. Hm. I ate by a shaliach, (the son of a major mashpia in Chabad) who did not know basic hilchos muktzeh. I exaggerate not. Please explain to me how that can be a better derech than Rav Chaim (or anyone else). Is hilchos Shabbos now irrelevant to you as long as you have the Rebbe? You make Chabad sound silly.
Don't be a moron. Not knowing halacha is obviously not the derech of Chabad. The fact that someone (who may or may not actually exist) calls themselves a Chabadnik and then exhibits negative traits does not reflect on the derech.
That would be like saying that since klal yisroel were involved in things they shouldnt have been when they were in the midbar EVEN THOUGH they personally recived the Torah on Har Sinai that it says something about the derech of Hashem, The Torah, and Moshe Rabbeinu.
Anyone can point out people in any movement that are not shomrei torah v' mitzvos as needed.
Also you are calling me silly but like "Snag Jr." you are dancing around the points I have made without answering them up just grasping at cob webs to sully the image of the Torah.
Get a life.
"The fact that someone (who may or may not actually exist) calls themselves a Chabadnik and then exhibits negative traits does not reflect on the derech."
Are you saying that their positive traits also don't reflect Derech?
"Also you are calling me silly but like "Snag Jr." you are dancing around the points I have made without answering them up just grasping at cob webs to sully the image of the Torah."
What do you mean by 'image of Torah'?
You mean your own subjective perversions and misconceptions or are you referring to the image that adorns your clock, lies smugly in your wallet, sits proudly on your dashboard, sticks on to your car's bumper and hangs from your neck?
I am saying nothing reflects on the derech when the person in question is not actually following the derech.
"What do you mean by 'image of Torah'?
You mean your own subjective perversions and misconceptions or are you referring to the image that adorns your clock, lies smugly in your wallet, sits proudly on your dashboard, sticks on to your car's bumper and hangs from your neck?"
Once against you are throwing around all sorts of harsh language with nothing to back it up.
Also, I find clocks with images in the face to be tacky.
I have a few pictures of The Rebbe in my wallet as well as a few in the house. We taka should get more but I leave the decorating up to my father.
Snag jr
An other story I heard from my father that perhaps may clarify that which I think Feivel ben Mishael is trying to say.
As the story goes the two heilege brothers , Rebbe Elimelech miLishensk and Rebbe Zusia miAnipoli were traveling in a wagon on a late Friday afternoon rushing to reach their destination before Shabbos.They urged the bal agoleh to whip the horses to get them to go faster.B"H they reached their destination just in time.However the horses both peigerd as a result of the over exertion that they were subjected to.The bal agoleh seeing what happened to his livelihood was so overcome that he fell to the ground and died.Reb Zusia immediately started crying and called out "zein neshama iz gegangen gleich tzu Gan Eden".To which Reb Elimelich replied "oib azoi tzu vos vainst du?" Reb zusia answerd "shtel zich for vos sare sort Gan Eden ken zein der GE fun ah bal agoleh.Ah sach veise ferd,ah por goldene agolehs,un ah sach mashke tzu trinken.Off ah zein sort Gan Eden vein ich".
The moral being you can't compare apples to oranges.There isn't one sort of Gan Eden for every individual.Every one who merits Gan Eden after 120 has A Gan Eden according to his or her hasoges.Vdal.Think about it.
anon3
What is your point?
Snag Jr.
The point is that both you and Feivel ben Mishael are right,each from his own perspective.Theres no dichotomy between the two of you.Apples and oranges.
anon3
I figured you were defending the heretic, but I am shocked that you agree with him. He is from the new-era of Chabad....
It is insulting to say that we are right based on our perspectives. The Rebbe says that Yishmael who barim zich that he was nimal at 13 and said he was better than Yakov who is nimal at 8 days, was also true based on his perspective. you are getting me nervous- am I now pro- Palestenian cuz I disagree with____ insistence that the IDF should bomb the daylights out of them in order to make up for the Holocaust or whatever
If I caused you to be "pro-Palestinian" I apologise.You misinterpeded what I said.To try explaining it is worthless.It's similar to trying to explain a joke.Forget it.
anon3
I was just chpereen. Your point was that his view makes sense based on a Chasidic perspective. I already adressed that; Feivel was not the Chossid that the early seforim say that they would prefer over a snag T'C. They ment an oyved who might have a small mind, but is rayn fuhn chete, and is in constant service to the Creator. to think otherwise, means that someone is mikukul bideyoys and has no moral compass- frashteyt nisht vus iz cheteh... Besides, the Besht understood what the maylah of a T" C is when he compared others. Feivel doesn't understand the maylah of a T"C- he looks at it is a perk, like eating a biggur shiur of matzoh, therefore he thinks he is better, nebach
for the record- only you guys, not all of you- different levels- but you all tolerate and understand it and most of you would be mishadech with someone who thinks like that- cuz you look at your version of Yiddishkeit as the only authentic one- therefore there are ehrenste Chabadskes who bemoan the fact that their daughters look like they have been to the Chabad house in Amsterdam- yet they 'live with it' cus that's life, i e, that is what yiddishkeit is, there is no other options.
even the biggest snags, the Snag Sr's, those who think that 'Yoel Kahan wasted his life on Leader's sichos, a shud', even them, don't think that Yankele Soloveitchik is overall better than R' Ahrele Belzer. even though there are maylos in learning that briskers have- those that were enlightened by the Torah that will light up the world before Mashiach comes, as we are ut ut and a bechinah of erev shabbos, right before the geulah, therefore if you look at the seforim of the greatest of Chachmey Lublin you will see that mutzhering with kahsyos and running around shas with long pilpulim-gag al gag- when any young brisker can show you a vort from the daf miney ubey- how all the kashyes fall like a deck of cards- which, btw, is the reason why no one gets tingling feelings when a certain T"C from Canada was impressed with Leaders lectures. V'dal.
as I was saying, no one thinks that Yankele, let's focus just on learning, is overall better in learning than the greats of Chachmey Lublin just cuz he (and Chaim) have maylos in learning that they don't have. no one would pick him over those chevrah if they had to choose. I am talking just in learning, farsheyt zich alayn, that those people were much greater 'mentchin'. Hy"d
"I was just chpereen. Your point was that his view makes sense based on a Chasidic perspective. I already adressed that; Feivel was not the Chossid that the early seforim say that they would prefer over a snag T'C. They ment an oyved who might have a small mind, but is rayn fuhn chete, and is in constant service to the Creator. to think otherwise, means that someone is mikukul bideyoys and has no moral compass- frashteyt nisht vus iz cheteh... Besides, the Besht understood what the maylah of a T" C is when he compared others. Feivel doesn't understand the maylah of a T"C- he looks at it is a perk, like eating a biggur shiur of matzoh, therefore he thinks he is better, nebach"
For the millionth time I never said that I was better than anyone.
I don't compare myself to anyone.
I addressed the fact that The Baal Shem Tov holds that one is required to be a chossid. Therefore if you are a misnaged you are doing something you are not allowed to do. Therefore there is no reason to want to be any given Misnaged.
I also addressed the fact that no person should want to be any other given person either.
I fully appreciate what a chossid is supposed to do. I am not holding there yet but it is something I am working on.
Also in the time when the Besh"t wash here you all had a problem with him. You had a problem with the Alter Rebbe too. In our generation almost everyone acknowledges the Gadlus of those figures so NOW you are Modeh that they were great but the new hisnagdus is too tell this generation of chassidim that "this is not what The Besh"t meant!"
Such Narishkeit.
Who has a better Mesorah for what the Besh"t meant. Those were were opposed and uninvolved from the beginning or The Rebbe who received from his saintly father in law who received from his father etc until Baal Shem Tov himself. Each one in turn a gaon and gadol and saintly Jew.
"Who has a better Mesorah for what the Besh"t meant. Those were were opposed and uninvolved from the beginning or The Rebbe who received from his saintly father in law who received from his father etc until Baal Shem Tov himself. Each one in turn a gaon and gadol and saintly Jew."
Junior, your forgetting that the last link in your chain is you- your interpretation of what the Rebbe meant. Others would argue with you....
Give up already
You seem to have lost yourself.
You initially asserted the following:
"Leader just took it one step further with his rhetoric against a person who he couldn't hold his own with in learning, yet he publically ridiculed him."
so I reiterate.
Who has a better mesora for what the Besh"t meant...
you or the The Rebbe?
Furthermore, you have still yet to point out anything wrong with anything I have said.
My original assertion was
"It may be possible to be "ehrlich" without chassidus but a person certainly cannot maximize their potential without it lfi the shita of The Besht."
and then
"I would rather be an oyved and a pushiter chassidish yid who is involved in the tachlis haberiah than the biggest so called T"C who is against it."
To which you responded: "you pick someone full of sin over an adam gadol"
If you can't see how your tayneh's dont make any sense and you don't realise that you have been dancing back and forth slinging assertions without any proofs or supports while refusing to actally face the issues or respond to any of my taynehs then I truly feel bad for you. Hashem should send you a refuah and a yeshua!
Feivel
I see you have a good head. Cha.. loyrasysuh. go put it for good use. Have an easy fast
You too.
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