Friday, June 19, 2009

Imagine yourself in Koretz....


מדרש פנחס

On Simchas Teyreh, in the presence of the Holy of Holies, Di Heilige Reb Pinches Koretzer.... How great and wondrous it must have been

41 comments:

yankel said...

A greyser Yishar koach!

Which sefer is this from?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

מדרש פנחס

browser said...

TELL ME TZIGGELE,DO YOU REALY BELIEVE ALL THESE MAISELECH?
me thinks you are much too inteligent to believe all this nonsense

chaim

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

what's the big thing to believe here?

Anonymous said...

Hershel whats your point on putting reb Pinchus for a referendum in the comments section, stop the comments

WhyMe said...

the kedusha and the tahara
meyen oylam habo

מענדל said...

הירשעלע
כמדומני אז עס איז דא א ענליכע ווארט פון רבי'ן מוהרש"ב נ"ע אז הקפות קריגט מען בהקפה.
וכידוע אז מען גייט אויף א גלייכן וועג טרעפט מען אן אנדערע.
מענדל

Why Be A SNAG? said...

'there were seven great stars. The first one was Adam... and the last one was the Rebbe the shver'

Who said it? Can the Kalman's figure out what is wacked with such a statement?

UD said...

He wasn't too hot on the Tanya thing ...

Anonymous said...

UD
who wasnt hot? the Koritzer? it wasnt printed yet

Anonymous said...

Why be a Snag
why be a shotah? does this nonsense have to get in every post?

Anonymous said...

Hirshel,
I heard that by the Shinever Zt"l the women used to come in by the hakofas, I heard from a mekor musmach that the Sakmer Rov in his early years on Clymer st , had some women pushing themselves in to the shul on Simchas Torah, and he wanted to stop it until he verified what one of the women claimed that beim heiligen Shinever they also came in the shul, and he kept quiet. but years later in the official shul it was Yerag Veal Yavoir

Why Be A SNAG? said...

Why be a Snag
why be a shotah? does this nonsense have to get in every post?

Why is it nonsense?

Anonymous said...

An old man told me that he is from Ratzfert and he remembers Reb Shulem Eliezer's Hakofos (he was a younger brother of the Shinover and a son of the Divrey Chaim of Sanz)

That the rebetzin and her daughters and many women stood in 'middle' of the shul during the hakofos.

She was herself a daughter of the Hornosteipeler Rebbe (Twersky). Apparently this was the minhag on of all Europe. But today we have a separation even in all chasidishe frum cemeteries.

It is no doubt that we in the Chareidi world are becoming more and more 'outwardly' frum.

But in my opinion: I would never compare the yiras shomayim of the amolige stam yidden to those of our contemporary times with all the newly fangled frumkeit daily additions.

Yosef 718

Anonymous said...

Reb Pinches passed away 6 years before the Tanya appeared in print or was even written (the first version of Tanya was written in 5652). Reb Pinches passed away in the year 5651 and the T, was published 5657. So, what is the guy before talking about?

About woman in Simchas Torah, I recall that some guy Rapport wrote in Ohr Yisroel about woman at Hakofos at Reb Chaim Meir of Viznitz. (IRC, R' Motele of Monsey didnt like it that much)

Anonymous said...

YOSEF 718.
My guess is that you would want the women in Shul by Hakofos. I wonder where you daven and how tznius the women are. Do they dress like the Shinever Rebitzin or like lehavdil ...................?

Anonymous said...

it is indeed a miracle
that some reached the pinnacle

highest level of tzidkus
w/o learning chasidus

their songs express yearning
for all the lost learning

Hey, isn't putting tefilin on Afros a chatzizuh and the shvartza isn't yotzeh anyways

Anonymous said...

"it is indeed a miracle
that some reached the pinnacle

highest level of tzidkus
w/o learning chasidus

their songs express yearning
for all the lost learning"
Noch ah velts chocum.Misnagdem never sang in der Lita.It is a fairly recent phenomenon that they learned from Chassidim.The greatest yoma depagre by the Litveshe was Tisha B'av.They waited for it an entire year with great anticipation so that they could klug.
"Hey, isn't putting tefilin on Afros a chatzizuh and the shvartza isn't yotzeh anyways"
Did you just return from your ancestral home in Zimbabwe?

Anonymous said...

Anon
Putting on tefilin is a question of mitzvas Hociach Tochiach as Amisecho, its a matter if you consider the guy with the afro Amisecho, with no particular refrence to chassidus. Why are you Chabad bashers hung up on a simple Mitzvas Eseh?

Anonymous said...

Anon,
Sitting and hearing this Shabos from my Shviger that short dresses and short sleeves was more routine in alot of Hungarian households then today, and the Rabonim were constantly on the guard with the shtroif reid,You will always find some picturs of total covered grandma, but it wasn"t the masses in prewar Hungary.

Anonymous said...

Yosef 718
I heard that separate cemeteries by chasidim started by the Tifers Shlome, maybe I am mistaking

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Anon 6:34,
Besides the fact that even in most chabad houses the ladies have the sense to dress with a modicum of tznius, it's only during hakafos that the mechitza is down. I don't think ANYONE keeps it down for mussaf.

Anonymous said...

Yosef 718
"That the rebetzin and her daughters and many women stood in 'middle' of the shul during the hakofos:
are you sure that the ratzferter jew is a ish emes? I can not imgine what means in the "middle"
Alte Feige used to be by the door in satmar Rodney or on stage in MSG Squ protest but it wasn't that obvious

Anonymous said...

I would hazard to guess that if one of the gedolim of more than 80 years ago were to come to BP or Willy today and see what passes for frumkeit in terms of Hashkafah re: dress, work, society, etc.,they would think that Judaism had morphed into a different religion.
Many European survivors have told me this.

Anonymous said...

Yes the Ratzferter Yid is an ish emes and this is not the person, or only example.

But the fact that she was in 'middle' was pointed out to me that she was a 'real' רעבעצין מיט אוירינגליך [sorry no translation available]

That was the point of the old man's story that she stood there and nobody dared to said 'boo'.

As for the cemeteries; no there is no such separation only in the U.S. it is a new thing completely. Chasidim live in Israel too, and over there one can be buried next to a wife.

This is all new

As for the Midrash Pinchas it is available online

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/3673

Anonymous said...

"Misnagdem never sang in der Lita"

Shoyteh

The point was the Chabad songs of yearning (hishtoykekus) and that's why it said 'not learning'. DUH?

Anonymous said...

Its ironic that alot of rebeim have the rebetzin buried in the same ohel,but the chasidim are holier and even holier, maybe only the ones that were eating the food cooked by the rebetzin VS. Square etc..

Anonymous said...

Pirsum rishon,
Please.
Got any?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

is that a question for me?

Anonymous said...

"Misnagdem never sang in der Lita"

Shoyteh"
My!!!!No need to get so touchy.So I didn't understand your poetic prowess.. Nu,whats the avleh?The truth of the matter is they never did sing in the Liteh

Anonymous said...

"The truth of the matter is they never did sing in the Liteh"

Wrong

They sang at levayes, at mussor seder and Magidim where fairly common.

Anonymous said...

They also sang 'aley tziyon'

Why Be A SNAG? said...

That day is approaching

anon3 said...

"They sang at levayes, at mussor seder and Magidim where fairly common."
Thats not singing.Those are called "dirges".We call it "kluging"(I think).

Anonymous said...

Nope
I guess you never heard it. It is emesidke yiddishe nigunim. But you wouldn't know

Anonymous said...

very curious about Ratzfert references, my Zeide was Rov there,groyse Belzer chusid (k'yo'duah RSBR spent WWI years there), Zeide got into some kind of reiberei w RSLH, the 2 never spoke afterwords.
I hope to be in Ratzfert next week, BTW. Any historical details greatly welcomed

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Dirges are songs too.

(cf. Arachin 12b) but I'm just an mo ignoramus so my svara must be flawed.

a sadchon said...

thank you witch sefer is this from?

moshe shmeel said...

keep it up post only such things

Anonymous said...

Yosef/ Yoine?

The rov was Rosemberg made a sefer Chemdas Shoul tesuvas,
I believe Reb Aron the satmar rebbe would probably know some details ask his close people, his father lived there and passed along all his info to him

Anonymous said...

Ratzferter Rav's name I think was Reb Shulem Vider. He was a Belzer.

RSLH was known to be a גברי קפדנא
but why should we talk here...

there used to be on a site on AOL by a person who posted dozens of pics from prewar Ratzfert. but I cant find it now.

BTW the entire town is clearly visable on google earth in great detail.

Yosef 718