Why the assumption that it was not written by him? Even if translated by others, why not assume it was accurately translated? Perhaps even assume his English was good enough to evaluate the gist of the translation before he signed.
The question is who has the original and can the signature be evaluated?
the letter was written on his letter head and signed by him in 1984, two years before he died, If it was a forgery than he should of deny it!
The question is why would he write it? most of his opinion/work was planted by his 'staff and families' with an agenda and is issues oriented! what was the agenda here?, why do you need to be a 'godol b'totah' to state such an opinion.
We know of israeli gedolim who became world known only thru voting politics there ved"l. But why would reb moshe need that here in America when no one argues about the 'chuv kodesh' of voting! after all no one forbade it!
Dear tzigele, The below comments was posted in a different nick, it may have been more appropiate into this nick, kindly post them here. sincerely, American citizen.
חוב קדוש said...
גילויבט דער באשעפער כ'האב ארויס גיגיב'ן מיין וויי גישריי אקעגן די פארשאלטענע שלטון הטמאה בארצינו הק' ביים שטום קאסט'ן! אין גיוועלט פאר אונזער הויך גישעצט'ן פרעזידענט !אב-אמא! ירים הודו Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:46:00 PM ---------- א"י יוד said... אצינדער אז דער פושע"י אין מחרחר ריב, ובריב לא לו, האט גיהאט א נידערלאגע כדבעי, איז צו דערווארטן אז דאס זעלביגע וועט איהם באטרעפן אין זיין מדינה של גיהנם, אהן די צושטומונג פון די היזיגע לייק-וואדער ליידיג גייערס הילף, אין אנ די בעלי קבלה תפילות פון דארט וד"ל. וישלח אבאמא את ביבי והלך למקומו ולעמיו מעתה הוא כשאר עמיו Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:23:00 AM
moshe moshel said... "Michael Savage predicted the outcome the day romney chose ryan." ---------
Savage whos real name is Weiner worked for years for famous psychedelic drug advocates, is barred from england for allegedly seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred, his son is CEO the non-kosher 'Rockstar energy drink' Although he attended friday night services at a Chabad house in Berkeley, but still a mechlal shabos behfrasye!, who really cares what this זקן ממרא has to say!
tendler said... "its consistent with his pesak on thanksgiving day that we can celebrate it,since we live in a malchus shel chesed..." -------
And you can mussar on a yid, and there is no pidyan shvium anymore, and there is no biased anti-semite judges and juries! and MbP is forbidden! and why?? because we are in a malchus shel chesed!!!
Reuters: former Israeli ambassador to Washington, Sallai Meridor, suggested that Obama would not easily forget that Netanyahu had created a perception that Israel wanted Romney to defeat him.
Obama is “very strategic, very disciplined”, Meridor said during a panel discussion on the U.S. election at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv.
“But I don’t think we can just assume that what happened between them over past four years will have just evaporated,” he said. “When people fight for their political life and have the perception that their partner is trying to undermine their chances, it’s not going to disappear.”
Eli Yishai of the religious Shas party, said simply: “It’s not a very good morning for Netanyahu.”
Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said... the Satmorim won't rest until they kill us all. c"v
The quotes are from, Sallai Meridor, an Israeli politician. He was the Israeli Ambassador to the United States appointed by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Prior to this, Meridor served as the Chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel and the World Zionist Organization.
Barely a satmarer whould you agree?
לא הנחש -דסאטמאר- ממית אלא החטא ממית
שלוש שבועות שהשביע הקב"ה את ישראל והאומות לגבי הגלות והעליה לארץ ישראל ואלו הן: שלא לעלות בחומה, שלא לדחוק את הקץ, שלא למרוד באומות
Nechash Hanechoshes "שלוש שבועות שהשביע הקב"ה את ישראל והאומות לגבי הגלות והעליה לארץ ישראל ואלו הן: שלא לעלות בחומה, שלא לדחוק את הקץ, שלא למרוד באומות" Since Tiras Hoarizal is not nishtakcho yet, then you should of know the Reb chaim Vital, that the 3 oaths are irrelevant after 1000 years in exile..
tibi lotzi : " you should of know the Reb chaim Vital, that the 3 oaths are irrelevant after 1000 years in exile.. " -------------
Looks like hitler didn't read any כתבי האר"י not true ones or shat"z fabricated ones!
As the chozon ish said "they ask me if the 3 oats are relevant, even so they transgressed on it, and the punishment came as described" go figure a lotzi head.
אני מאמין באמונה שלימה, שזאת התורה לא תהא מוחלפת, ולא תהא תורה אחרת מאת הבורא יתברך שמו
BMGBUM "As the chozon ish said "they ask me if the 3 oats are relevant, even so they transgressed on it, and the punishment came as described" " Ani Mamin Bemuna Shliema that the Chazon Ish never said this statement, it a fabrication
tibi lotzi : "Ani Mamin Bemuna Shliema that the Chazon Ish never said this statement, it a fabrication"
But I'm sure you believe he signed on to the becirus, and to take tainted money, and so on.. all the fabricated out right lies the aguda prints in his name! and why would you believe that and not the other ?
tibi lotzi : "Ani Mamin Bemuna Shliema that the Chazon Ish'
you probably believe in this 14th ani mamin of tours, as you believe in the other 13!, Although if you believe it the 14th one or not isn't relevant at all, why? becayse it's fact it ACTUALLY HAPPENED! so it's reality! belive it or not.
Tum Tum "But I'm sure you believe he signed on to the becirus," no I dont believed that he signed,because I don't believe Emunas Tefielus but I know that he told people to go vote before the establishment of the Medina Hatemaye and after the establishment of the Medina Hatemaye
Tum Tum " and to take tainted money," I dont believe that he was for taking money from the Medina Hatemeya, I know and I saw a long letter printed in his Kovetz Igroth (printed by close family members,not by the Suchnoth etc...)with a plan for all moisdois in the new established country, to get funding from the government... this is written black on white , you need a titelbaum twisted pilpul to say he meant the government of Uganda should give the funding.
Ferd Kup "you probably believe in this 14th ani mamin of tours, as you believe in the other 13!, Although if you believe it the 14th one or not isn't relevant at all, why? becayse it's fact it ACTUALLY HAPPENED! so it's reality! belive it or not." Who heard BZ Yakabovitz or Schwartz??? some Satmar aparachnik...
you believe or you don't believe, you know or you don't know! !פי הארץ פי השם, פי האתון, פי הטבעתIt's all blured by you, and all the same, so shut your fresser!
Why do you say that Satmar will kill us all? Their vote made no difference to the outcome. There is no clear evidence that Romney is better for Israel, only the perception of some people who only listen to Rush Limbaugh and have never heard any other side. The definition of "best for Israel" needs definition. Does it mean someone who doesn't tell Israel what to do? Does it mean someone who allows them to build in the settlements? Maybe not building is good for the lives of people living there? Maybe it makes no difference. No Novi told us that the peace process won't work, and until one does we cannot be sure of the outcome of any action. No dissenting opinion should be disparaged until you have a method of being sure. BTW, Reb Moshe did not say how to vote. He just said that hakoras hatov dictates that you should not be a parasite and consider the country as a shmorg for your pleasure. You should act like an active participant in recognition of the favor you were shown by being allowed to live here. Additionally, I heard from a talmid's son (I am purposefully telling you the distance from the shemua to allow you to ascertain its veracity) that Reb Moshe said that this pesak does not apply to presidential elections. That would be a chutzpa to tell your host country who should be their leader.
"That would be a chutzpa to tell your host country who should be their leader."
ילמדנו רבינו, מהיכן נבעו הלכה זו, היכן המקור בהראשונים, האחרונים או בתחתונים? או אולי דעת יחידאי הוא? אז אם דעת תורה הוא נלמוד אני צריך, ועוד קשה האם הלכה זו שייך ג"כ בבחירות הטמאות לכנסת המינים, או להם יש הוראות שעה של הבא לטמא פותחין לו! או דלמא מצצת בפה את כל ונוכחת
Piv Hechshilo "!פי הארץ פי השם, פי האתון, פי הטבעתIt's all blured by you, and all the same, so shut your fresser!" what a avalanche of Nivul Peh. it can only come from a Sands street product...and you are a Tinuk shenishbe. But Remember Shovavim is around the corner and the Seforim haKdoshim say Bris Hamoar is Mechuvan to Bris Haloshan.
New Square "No, the none aparatcniks, itche mier, who saved his hide from the curse of the 3 oats, direct thru the Zionist establishment." you should sing it Shabos by the Chulent, with the Vechol Maminim nigun, that they used to sing in Satmar Camp.. believing that by eating a chulent bean you kill a agudist
tibi lotzi said.: "what a avalanche of Nivul Peh. it can only come from a Sands street product" "Shovavim is around the corner and the Seforim haKdoshim say Bris Hamoar is Mechuvan to Bris Haloshan." ------------
And you my Distinguished Colleague, a graduate from BMG of 'six' st. where no Shovavim is needed, especially for lotzi harav! שמלא כרסו עד בין שיניו, בש"ס ופוסקים and overnite kugel with pastrami on the side! with a tzdig like you שהאצבע הגדולה שלך אינו מגיע להאצבע הקטנה, ממש כמו בבהמה physically, who had a מעין חתום the like of any 33 year old תיפח what would you know about Nivul Peh! right? I would add as your alter eGo chaim once said a%% h%*le t**** kup! vd"l
Nefsh Shovav "'six' st. where no Shovavim is needed, especially for lotzi harav! שמלא כרסו עד בין שיניו, בש"ס ופוסקים and overnite kugel with pastrami on the side! with a tzdig like you שהאצבע הגדולה שלך אינו מגיע להאצבע הקטנה, ממש כמו בבהמה physically, who had a מעין חתום the like of any 33 year old תיפח what would you know about Nivul Peh! right? I would add as your alter eGo chaim once said a%% h%*le t**** kup! vd"l" Hirshel By now this guy needs a doctor....pls call if not you are oiver on Loi Saimod Al.....
I love how our beloved satmarer friend here goes ballistic every now & then. Whenever he meets this opponent he's left ranting & raving like the lunatic he is.
כיצד מתקשר חלקו השני של הפסוק עם חלקו הראשון, שעניינו איסור רכילות ?ולשון הרע
אילו נאמר "ולא תעמוד", בוי"ו, הייתי אומר שתי מצוות הן. עכשיו, שכתוב "לא", בלא וי"ו, על כורחין שתיהן מצוה אחת, וכן הפירוש: לא תלך רכיל, כדי שלא תעמוד על דם רעך, ויחזקאל פירש: אנשי רכיל היו בך .למען שפך דם
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Im certain he didnt write a word of that.
וכל המוסיף גורע
וכל המוסיף מוסיפין לו מן השמים
לא בשמים היא
השמים שמים להשם
May everyone regain power besides Obama.
of course he didn't write it, azigra. It was typed...
Why the assumption that it was not written by him? Even if translated by others, why not assume it was accurately translated? Perhaps even assume his English was good enough to evaluate the gist of the translation before he signed.
The question is who has the original and can the signature be evaluated?
"of course he didn't write it, azigra. It was typed..."
Rav Moshe, who was 50 + when he came the USA did not speak English AT ALL. I know this from family members who were in the house constantly
its consistent with his pesak on thanksgiving day that we can celebrate it,since we live in a malchus shel chesed...
did Reb Moshe Feinstein understand that we dont actually elect the president?
the letter was written on his letter head and signed by him in 1984, two years before he died, If it was a forgery than he should of deny it!
The question is why would he write it? most of his opinion/work was planted by his 'staff and families' with an agenda and is issues oriented! what was the agenda here?, why do you need to be a 'godol b'totah' to state such an opinion.
We know of israeli gedolim who became world known only thru voting politics there ved"l. But why would reb moshe need that here in America when no one argues about the 'chuv kodesh' of voting! after all no one forbade it!
תיק"ו
Dear tzigele, The below comments was posted in a different nick, it may have been more appropiate into this nick, kindly post them here.
sincerely,
American citizen.
חוב קדוש said...
גילויבט דער באשעפער כ'האב ארויס גיגיב'ן מיין וויי גישריי אקעגן די פארשאלטענע שלטון הטמאה בארצינו הק' ביים שטום קאסט'ן! אין גיוועלט פאר אונזער הויך גישעצט'ן פרעזידענט
!אב-אמא! ירים הודו
Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:46:00 PM
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א"י יוד said...
אצינדער אז דער פושע"י אין מחרחר ריב, ובריב לא לו, האט גיהאט א נידערלאגע כדבעי, איז צו דערווארטן אז דאס זעלביגע וועט איהם באטרעפן אין זיין מדינה של גיהנם, אהן די צושטומונג פון די היזיגע לייק-וואדער ליידיג גייערס הילף, אין אנ די בעלי קבלה תפילות פון דארט וד"ל. וישלח אבאמא את ביבי והלך למקומו ולעמיו מעתה הוא כשאר עמיו
Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:23:00 AM
Michael Savage predicted the outcome the day romney chose ryan.
moshe moshel said... "Michael Savage predicted the outcome the day romney chose ryan."
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Savage whos real name is Weiner worked for years for famous psychedelic drug advocates, is barred from england for allegedly seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred, his son is CEO the non-kosher 'Rockstar energy drink' Although he attended friday night services at a Chabad house in Berkeley, but still a mechlal shabos behfrasye!, who really cares what this זקן ממרא has to say!
...מושל מקשיב על דבר שקר
tendler said... "its consistent with his pesak on thanksgiving day that we can celebrate it,since we live in a malchus shel chesed..."
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And you can mussar on a yid, and there is no pidyan shvium anymore, and there is no biased anti-semite judges and juries! and MbP is forbidden! and why?? because we are in a malchus shel chesed!!!
חסד לאומים חטאת! -משלי יד
!הדיוט קופץ בראש, ופוסע על ראשי עם
Reuters:
former Israeli ambassador to Washington, Sallai Meridor, suggested that Obama would not easily forget that Netanyahu had created a perception that Israel wanted Romney to defeat him.
Obama is “very strategic, very disciplined”, Meridor said during a panel discussion on the U.S. election at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv.
“But I don’t think we can just assume that what happened between them over past four years will have just evaporated,” he said. “When people fight for their political life and have the perception that their partner is trying to undermine their chances, it’s not going to disappear.”
Eli Yishai of the religious Shas party, said simply: “It’s not a very good morning for Netanyahu.”
!?מר ביבי סליחה, הלהרגני אתה עומד
the Satmorim won't rest until they kill us all. All over some silly ideology.
tendler said... "its consistent with his pesak on thanksgiving day that we can celebrate it"
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Just make sure your turkey is golden and tender! forget the celebrating part! besides the ברכהמ"ז of course.
יאכלו ענוים וישבעו יהללו ד' דרשיו יחי לבבכם לעד
-תהלים כב
Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...
the Satmorim won't rest until they kill us all. c"v
The quotes are from, Sallai Meridor, an Israeli politician. He was the Israeli Ambassador to the United States appointed by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Prior to this, Meridor served as the Chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel and the World Zionist Organization.
Barely a satmarer whould you agree?
לא הנחש -דסאטמאר- ממית אלא החטא ממית
שלוש שבועות שהשביע הקב"ה את ישראל והאומות לגבי הגלות והעליה לארץ ישראל ואלו הן: שלא לעלות בחומה, שלא לדחוק את הקץ, שלא למרוד באומות
YES, but you're hoping for Israel's demise, so you find quotes that suit you.
Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...
YES, but you're hoping for Israel's demise, so you find quotes that suit you.
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c"v! Russia as we knew it was more threat to the world and it ceased to exist without a gun shot! It happened once it can happen again!
'אין חכמה ואין תבונה ואין עצה נגד ד
ferdishe comparisons.
Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...
the Satmorim won't rest until they kill us all. c"v
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was any one in williamsburg or in BP, in Golders Green or in Manchester treatened lately?, I'm sure it's not the IDF who watches over them there!
הנה לא ינום ולא ישן שומר ישראל
Nechash Hanechoshes
"שלוש שבועות שהשביע הקב"ה את ישראל והאומות לגבי הגלות והעליה לארץ ישראל ואלו הן: שלא לעלות בחומה, שלא לדחוק את הקץ, שלא למרוד באומות"
Since Tiras Hoarizal is not nishtakcho yet, then you should of know the Reb chaim Vital, that the 3 oaths are irrelevant after 1000 years in exile..
tibi lotzi : " you should of know the Reb chaim Vital, that the 3 oaths are irrelevant after 1000 years in exile.. "
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Looks like hitler didn't read any כתבי האר"י not true ones or shat"z fabricated ones!
As the chozon ish said "they ask me if the 3 oats are relevant, even so they transgressed on it, and the punishment came as described" go figure a lotzi head.
אני מאמין באמונה שלימה, שזאת התורה לא תהא מוחלפת, ולא תהא תורה אחרת מאת הבורא יתברך שמו
BMGBUM
"As the chozon ish said "they ask me if the 3 oats are relevant, even so they transgressed on it, and the punishment came as described" "
Ani Mamin Bemuna Shliema that the Chazon Ish never said this statement, it a fabrication
tibi lotzi : "Ani Mamin Bemuna Shliema that the Chazon Ish never said this statement, it a fabrication"
But I'm sure you believe he signed on to the becirus, and to take tainted money, and so on.. all the fabricated out right lies the aguda prints in his name! and why would you believe that and not the other ?
!״אין טעם ברצון״
tibi lotzi : "Ani Mamin Bemuna Shliema that the Chazon Ish'
you probably believe in this 14th ani mamin of tours, as you believe in the other 13!, Although if you believe it the 14th one or not isn't relevant at all, why? becayse it's fact it ACTUALLY HAPPENED! so it's reality! belive it or not.
Tum Tum
"But I'm sure you believe he signed on to the becirus,"
no I dont believed that he signed,because I don't believe Emunas Tefielus but I know that he told people to go vote before the establishment of the Medina Hatemaye and after the establishment of the Medina Hatemaye
Tum Tum
" and to take tainted money,"
I dont believe that he was for taking money from the Medina Hatemeya, I know and I saw a long letter printed in his Kovetz Igroth (printed by close family members,not by the Suchnoth etc...)with a plan for all moisdois in the new established country, to get funding from the government... this is written black on white , you need a titelbaum twisted pilpul to say he meant the government of Uganda should give the funding.
Ferd Kup
"you probably believe in this 14th ani mamin of tours, as you believe in the other 13!, Although if you believe it the 14th one or not isn't relevant at all, why? becayse it's fact it ACTUALLY HAPPENED! so it's reality! belive it or not."
Who heard BZ Yakabovitz or Schwartz??? some Satmar aparachnik...
tibi lotzi's: נפיחות-כפילות-וחמיצות
you believe or you don't believe, you know or you don't know!
!פי הארץ פי השם, פי האתון, פי הטבעתIt's all blured by you, and all the same, so shut your fresser!
Why do you say that Satmar will kill us all? Their vote made no difference to the outcome. There is no clear evidence that Romney is better for Israel, only the perception of some people who only listen to Rush Limbaugh and have never heard any other side.
The definition of "best for Israel" needs definition. Does it mean someone who doesn't tell Israel what to do? Does it mean someone who allows them to build in the settlements? Maybe not building is good for the lives of people living there? Maybe it makes no difference. No Novi told us that the peace process won't work, and until one does we cannot be sure of the outcome of any action. No dissenting opinion should be disparaged until you have a method of being sure.
BTW, Reb Moshe did not say how to vote. He just said that hakoras hatov dictates that you should not be a parasite and consider the country as a shmorg for your pleasure. You should act like an active participant in recognition of the favor you were shown by being allowed to live here.
Additionally, I heard from a talmid's son (I am purposefully telling you the distance from the shemua to allow you to ascertain its veracity) that Reb Moshe said that this pesak does not apply to presidential elections. That would be a chutzpa to tell your host country who should be their leader.
"That would be a chutzpa to tell your host country who should be their leader."
ילמדנו רבינו, מהיכן נבעו הלכה זו, היכן המקור בהראשונים, האחרונים או בתחתונים? או אולי דעת יחידאי הוא? אז אם דעת תורה הוא נלמוד אני צריך, ועוד קשה האם הלכה זו שייך ג"כ בבחירות הטמאות לכנסת המינים, או להם יש הוראות שעה של הבא לטמא פותחין לו! או דלמא מצצת בפה את כל ונוכחת
tibi lotzi said..: "Who heard BZ Yakabovitz or Schwartz??? some Satmar aparachnik..."
No, the none aparatcniks, itche mier, who saved his hide from the curse of the 3 oats, direct thru the zionist establishment.
!או לא מיום הדין, או לו מיום התוכחה
אמר ר"א אם
נעשה הדין למטה אין הדין נעשה למעלה ואם לא נעשה הדין למטה הדין נעשה למעלה
Piv Hechshilo
"!פי הארץ פי השם, פי האתון, פי הטבעתIt's all blured by you, and all the same, so shut your fresser!"
what a avalanche of Nivul Peh. it can only come from a Sands street product...and you are a Tinuk shenishbe.
But Remember Shovavim is around the corner and the Seforim haKdoshim say Bris Hamoar is Mechuvan to Bris Haloshan.
New Square
"No, the none aparatcniks, itche mier, who saved his hide from the curse of the 3 oats, direct thru the Zionist establishment."
you should sing it Shabos by the Chulent, with the Vechol Maminim nigun, that they used to sing in Satmar Camp.. believing that by eating a chulent bean you kill a agudist
Has anone done a hardcover biography of itche meir levine?
tibi lotzi said..: "Seforim haKdoshim say Bris Hamoar is Mechuvan to Bris Haloshan."
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And you know the difference one is which? really!?
tibi lotzi said.: "what a avalanche of Nivul Peh. it can only come from a Sands street product" "Shovavim is around the corner and the Seforim haKdoshim say Bris Hamoar is Mechuvan to Bris Haloshan."
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And you my Distinguished Colleague, a graduate from BMG of
'six' st. where no Shovavim is needed, especially for lotzi harav! שמלא כרסו עד בין שיניו, בש"ס ופוסקים and overnite kugel with pastrami on the side! with a tzdig like you שהאצבע הגדולה שלך אינו מגיע להאצבע הקטנה, ממש כמו בבהמה physically, who had a מעין חתום the like of any 33 year old תיפח what would you know about Nivul Peh! right? I would add as your alter eGo chaim once said
a%% h%*le t**** kup! vd"l
Nefsh Shovav
"'six' st. where no Shovavim is needed, especially for lotzi harav! שמלא כרסו עד בין שיניו, בש"ס ופוסקים and overnite kugel with pastrami on the side! with a tzdig like you שהאצבע הגדולה שלך אינו מגיע להאצבע הקטנה, ממש כמו בבהמה physically, who had a מעין חתום the like of any 33 year old תיפח what would you know about Nivul Peh! right? I would add as your alter eGo chaim once said
a%% h%*le t**** kup! vd"l"
Hirshel
By now this guy needs a doctor....pls call if not you are oiver on Loi Saimod Al.....
I love how our beloved satmarer friend here goes ballistic every now & then.
Whenever he meets this opponent he's left ranting & raving like the lunatic he is.
A brilliat comparison. what's wrong.
Anonymous said.: "By now this guy needs a doctor....pls call if not you are oiver on Loi Saimod Al.."
:במס׳ תיבוט הקבר
ג' ימים אחר שנקבר האדם כריסו מתבקעת ואומרים לו טול מה שנתה בי
?פקע איגרא, שוין
anon: "you are oiver on Loi Saimod Al...."
לא תלך רכיל בעמך, לא תעמד על דם
'רעך אני ה
כיצד מתקשר חלקו השני של הפסוק עם חלקו הראשון, שעניינו איסור רכילות
?ולשון הרע
אילו נאמר "ולא תעמוד", בוי"ו, הייתי אומר שתי מצוות הן. עכשיו, שכתוב "לא", בלא וי"ו, על כורחין שתיהן מצוה אחת, וכן הפירוש: לא תלך רכיל, כדי שלא תעמוד על דם רעך, ויחזקאל פירש: אנשי רכיל היו בך
.למען שפך דם
תרויהו אית בך, קשוט עצמך ואח"כ
.קשוט אחרים! תול קורה מבין עיניך
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