Thursday, November 29, 2012

The image problem we have [Weberman trial] (GUEST POST)





















"I have mixed and conflicted feelings about this case. I am absolutely convinced that a Hasidic looking man cannot get a fair trial anywhere when accused of such crimes, but in this case I have my doubts as to Weberman’s guilt. That’s all, “doubts,” and doubts does not mean convinced, no need to jump on me. No competent criminal lawyer permits a police abuse case or a Hasid sex case (or even fraud case) to stand before a jury and counsel often chooses a bench trial. (Why Weberman’s lawyer let his client go before a jury should give us pause - and we should speculate as to why). I don’t know Weberman personally but he is a distant cousin, so when I asked numerous mutual cousins that I share with him and know him personally they all told me that if he is guilty he should rot in jail. Since the term “if” has come into the conversation so many times, that tells me that my “doubt” is shared by a great many others.

We in the Hasidic community must look inward why we're looked upon so unfavorably. Of course there is the age old problem of antisemitism, as well as the hate of the secular for the frum, (repulsed is a better term) added to the general worldwide dislike of the overly devout, of every religion. As more and more of our people get caught up in the Justice system, avoidance of this problem and blaming others is not an option. We must face juries that are selected out of the general population. From my own observation on how our community has developed socially and politically I get the feeling that the social attitude our community projects outwardly towards our neighbors and fellow citizens has - especially in New York - poisoned the jury pool. We live in one of the most tolerant and generous cities in the world, but what do most of the residents of the City know about us and our way of life? I would venture to say that millions of people around the Metropolitan NYC area know us for just a few things; we are opposed to gay marriage. Oh yes, let me add and we support Israel. On both issues we come off as strident, brooking a no nuanced approach; no "live and let live." No, we come off as angry and suspicious (no president named Hussein will defend Israel) The electoral graphic map published by the NY Times says is all. The red dots of Romney voters stand out as one solid core of naysayer's in opposition to the cultural and political sensitivities of most New Yorkers. By our votes and our interactions with local politicians we have projected an image of a community that is intolerant and one that does not care about the more vulnerable ones living side by side with us.

Then there are the simple day to day interactions; how do we tip the taxicab driver, the grocery delivery boy, our workers, our cleaners? These people, their children and members of their family end up as jurors of people like Weberman and they will be charged to decide his fate. I have long detected a strong attitudinal shift, especially among the young in our community, from a feeling of mutual communal responsibility combined with traditional fear of “what will the goyim say,” to an attitude of triumphalism and of an arrogant projection of entitlement. Correct me if I’m wrong, but whenever I bring up these issues among my young acquaintances I get the look as if I fell off the moon. I have no doubt that one day we will have to take on these dire issues, that if not dealt with in a sensible way will grow worse and worse, until we will have no choice. Of course we might avoid giving any thought to this issue and suffer without the benefit of self analysis to re-examine our place in this country. Even if Weberman is guilty of some criminal improper behavior within the indictment there is a strong possibility that he is not guilty of the more severe charges. This is where a socially poisoned jury really matters. It is reasonable to doubt and suspect that Weberman is guilty of some of the charges, likewise it also reasonable to speculate that the girl and her supporters have an incentive to pile on charges. For a victim it might be easy to morally rationalize the piling on of more accusations, in order to make at least something stick. Brooklyn’s DA Charlie Hynes office is so politicized and his integrity is so compromised that it makes me share Tzig's doubts. This trial gives me the shivers, not only about what might be the outcome for those directly involved, but I tremble about what the outcome will bring and what effect it will have on the rest of the Haredi community here and around the world."

  Yosef 718

35 comments:

moshemoshel said...

oy, gut gezugt!

snagville said...

Regarding the question of the change in attitude. I think it comes with the Ghettoization of the Jews who almost never see Goyim in their neighborhoods unless they are sweeping the floor. This is a radical change from 20-30 years ago. I am sure most of you remember as a kid being surrounded or at least seeing a lot of Xmas lights. Now how many have your kids seen on a house (the airport doesnt count). In my (originally) mixed neighborhood a real Yeshivishe shnook moved in so in the regular getting to know the neighbor chat I casually mentioned to him that we like to keep our lawns neat and it makes the Goyim on the block very happy. He looked at me like I was from Mars and I said that I am going to roast a pig on a open spit. Concern for what the Goyim think was at our Grandparents and parents forefront of their minds at all times. It is gone, gone. Interestingly enough I believe as I said the reason for this is the reversion to the times in Europe when the only Goyim the Yidden saw were the lowest of the low peasants. So why did our grandparents care what they thought? Because they knew to be afraid of them. Today we think we are sitting pretty. Laada. Laada. To be continued my friends....

מורדיא דלברות said...

Jibber - Jabber

yankel said...

What will the goyim say is also ridiculous. The reason we should tip menial workers is because of the job they did for us, not because this will somehow reduce anti-semitism. The whole mindset is stupid and counter-productive.

Yerachmiel Lopin said...

The entire article is premised on the conviction that heimish looking Jews get convicted at a higher rate than others. I doubt that premise. I think you will find that most people of any sort get convicted most of the time they go to trial. Prosecutors are legally constrained from bringing flimsy cases and it is bad for them politically.

Unless you can prove that heimish or hasidic Jews have higher conviction rates I have to wonder if we are feeding paranoia by repeating the claim. Maybe the bigger problem is rising levels of contempt for external rules to the point where people needlessly put themselves at legal risk.

We have more sex abuse cases because of recent piskei halachah supporting going to the police with such problems and rising awareness of the problem by victims and their families. Even Agudah admits that the problem is big enough that it needs to be talked about openly.

Anonymous said...

Very, very well written. You couldnt be more right. Watch frimmer yidden in an airport, boarding and on an airplanes. More than once I have had to tell a fellow yid to be aware of those around him, not to push, not tell the stewardesses what they want but to ask - basic things like that. Non-orthodox are MUCH more cognizant of the non-Jewish world around them. We seem to take it as a mark of pride that we can act that we're better. Be careful, chickens always come home to roost...

snagville said...

Tzig. You don't allow my comments anymore?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Cholileh, Snagvillewhy do you say that?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

i turned on word verification because of too much spam, is that it?

Anonymous said...

Whenever i am in a Takeout store i always hear Chasidim Tell the person behind the counter "Gimme(give me) This, Gimme That" what ever happened to "Please Can I have" or at least "Can I Have", "Gimme" is so Grub and Amateur

Bloomberg said...

"Then there are the simple day to day interactions; how do we tip the taxicab driver, the grocery delivery boy, our workers, our cleaners?"
First time I heard that we as a group dont do the above

האק א טשייניק said...

Yosef 718: "we are opposed to gay marriage. Oh yes, let me add and we support Israel."

I agree let them stop האק'ן א טשייניק with gay marriage slime, and let them stop supporting israel's atrocitys! and all will be fine (maybe).

ומהו עם הלכה בידוע שעשיו שונא ליעקב
? ומי יתן לי ת"ח ואנשכנו כחמור

המהרי"ט אמר: כי לי ינוח שבט הרשע על גורל הצדיקים, מהו 'הגורל' אלא אפי' שהוא אינו צדיק אלא 'שנראה
-כצדיק' -בפניו ובלבישיו
הוא בכלל הגורל דצדיקים

snagville said...

Tzig,

Maybe I'm not doing the verification thing right. But recently I wrote two long soliloquies and neither of them were posted!

Anonymous said...

Whenever i am in a Takeout store i always hear Chasidim Tell the person behind the counter "Gimme(give me) This, Gimme That" what ever happened to "Please Can I have" or at least "Can I Have", "Gimme" is so Grub and Amateur"

100% I work behind the counter 99.9% won't ever say please, I'm treated like a real shmate.
just the way eisov spoke, not yakov...

A Solovichik said...

Yosef 718: "I have long detected a strong attitudinal shift, --, from a feeling of mutual communal responsibility combined with traditional fear of “what will the goyim say,” to an attitude of triumphalism and of an arrogant projection "


Read: "Tough Jews" 'Political
Fantasies and the Moral Dilemma of American Jewry' by Paul Breines.

Wasserman said...

Yosef 718: "I would venture to say that millions of people around the Metropolitan NYC area know us for just a few things; we are opposed to gay marriage. Oh yes, let me add and we support Israel."
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what a juxtapose of blame! millions of christians oppose gay marriages, and millions of jews don't overly support Israel! witness 70+% who voted Obama!

אין וואס איז מיט'ן שנאת הדת -ליין שנאת הדתיים! אין א"י, שאין דוגמתא!ומהם יוצאת לכל העולם, תוצרת ישראל! איז עס אויך וועג'ן פרשת תועבות! אדער ווייל זיי
?שטיצ'ן ציונות צופיל

ווייסט וואס כ'וועל דיר זאג'ן ס'איז היינט קיין סוד נישט אז די ציונים זענ'ן גיווען די העצערס אנטקעגען די חרידים פאר די וועלטס קריג, אין זיי טוען דאס היינט אויך!, ליין זייערע בלאג'ס אין צייטשריפט'ן. זיי האב'ן אפילו שוין א שוטפות מיט די ניו
!יארקער פאליציי.. דוק ותשכח


Zak said...

the problem is in the leadership of the Yiddishe world. They are so embroiled in their own turf wars and there is so much kinah and ego and a lack of erlichkeit up on the top that you end up with a generation which is kpnei hakelev.

why do you think the "Rebbes" themselves leminaihem are all going to secular courts these days ???? they themselves know there is no more yoisher mebifnim. It's a terrible reflection of the times which is as dark as it can be .

At this point I only see practically one solution, honestly and its not more learning of gemoroh it's sincerely praying for Uvo letzion goel.

Sam Tobias said...

Anonymous said.: "Whenever i am in a Takeout store i always hear Chasidim Tell the person behind the counter "Gimme This, Gimme That"

what a crock, if it's broken blame it on the 'chasidim'! I once stood in line at a modern seforim store in S. Fallsburg when someone jumped the line to pay, one of the customers said that's the chasidim! and the owner (not a cusid) told him he has a store in Brookltn to, and it's a "zip code" problem! people from a certain zip code do this.. and nothing to do with chasidim!

Poooolease said...

Anonymous said.: "100% I work behind the counter 99.9% won't ever say please,"

What? you charge $14.99 for a pound of stale 'kosher' farfel! when is the last time tou changed your apron! and you want them to say Poooolease?

evanstonjew said...

I thought this post was insightful and on target. By way of a solution, two possibilities come to mind. One is to instil the liberal virtues of tolerance, pluralism and autonomy even if in the end some make bad choices. As part of this ideal are the vitues of decency and fairness extended to every member of society. The chances of this happening are not very good. The entire charedi ethos runs counter to these ideals at different points, the fundamental difficulty being that some of these ideas are foreign to Torah thinking.

A second solution is to change the system of chinuch to produce gentler, more eidel, nicer people. An example of how small changes can have big effects was brought home to me by a recent article in VIN.
http://www.vosizneias.com/118505/2012/11/30/new-haven-ct-first-on-vin-once-again-rhodes-scholarship-committee-names-orthodox-scholar
There is no reason why chassidish people have to be as sharp and tough as they many times are. Yet the idea of being geshliffen, quick, never being a sucker seem to be part of the core values that are being taught.Needless to say these values and their inevitable consequences, rudeness, xenophobia and lack of a gentle and friendly demeanor are for the most part defensive attitudes that make less sense today when charedi life is so strong.

Yelid Willi said...

yosef
as we speak its now unfolding a scenario of blatant anti semitisim against a Jew that is campaigning for some political office in Washington Heights,
The Jew is not even affiliated with no Jewish denomination,
He is clean shaven,smells from cologne
Showers 2 times a day
College educated
Voted and campaigned for Obama
Pro Gay rights
Pro Abortion
Tips every person that does him a service.... but he his cursed with a name as Levin and thats enough that a Cholera should officaly label him as a Jewish Interloper.
Whats the Message??? that whatever we do we are doomed. The NYT did not condemm it in their editorial.
I believe that having our insular culture of helping our own as much possible is the only way of atleast saving our own.
Mistakes were made and will always be made, for example, maybe that People that help kids should be proffesional, not amatuers, eventough the sucsses rate of Weberman is probably better then a trained person,and when a proffesional gets accused he is in the same boat, but he would handle it more carefully usualy by not going the extra mile.

forcsio3033 said...

Yelid Willi : "clean shaven,smells from cologne
Showers 2 times a day
College educated
Voted and campaigned for Obama
Pro Gay rights
Pro Abortion
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Yelid yes, but from wili? I doubt it! My favorite president Abe Linclon had a beard, did not shower twice a day, poorly educated, IDK about his gay and abortion rights? or how he smelled who cares..?! but i do know he didn't vote for Obama, although i think he would of.

Poooolease said...

Poooolease said...
Anonymous said.: "100% I work behind the counter 99.9% won't ever say please,"
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Almost forgot, and I'm sure you don't wear a Culinary Cook's Hat either! so I beg you a pardon but no! Poooolease to you, nah.

נכשל בה said...

יוסף! הוא השליט בכל ארמ"צ ומצדתו
!פרוסה על ניו יארק

But is long on the problem and short on the solution! Society is now integrated like never before, The melting pot is steaming a rude stew thru public education, general media, social media, two party system! and unfortunate the internet that swallowed almost all! impowered every Joe to have his or her opinion and the so called opressed became the real opressors! But The true cheridi family is by design left behind this educated in-touch society like never before! unfortunate although a blessing! maybe in disguise! but also a nucense ?!אליה וקוץ בה perhaps but perhaps not!

The soulution is?... well I'll better not start on this. But all is not lost! actually in certain ways there is underlying currents that filbirate and perks in positive ways like we never knew before in America, will we tap it? That's the question!

ישעיה: והמכשלה הזאת תחת ידיך. אין אדם עומד על דברי תורה אלא אם כן נכשל בהן. -גיטין מג

kweansmom said...

The average New Yorker looks unfavorably upon the Hassidic community because they are generally supportive of Israel?

Um, you do know that Weberman is Satmar, don't you?

I doubt any NYC jury is going to convict him because they are prejudiced against Zionists!

eemoi oonoichee said...

You are absolutely right in our observations, Tzig. And let's be clear -- this type of behavior is only likely to increase as frum society becomes more insulated and isolated, with less and less access to non-jewish people, books, magazines, internet, educational materials and institutions, and simple conversations with goyim. All of this creates an increasingly ghettoized mentality in which the heimish society not only slowly becomes less similar to the people around them, bemaiseh, bedeebur, u'vemachshoveh, but also cares less what those people, in whose midst they live, think about them. Am levudud yishkoin, (umemailoh) ee'vagoyim loi yischashuv, but in wrong and counterproductive ways. It's very unfortunate, but this is all bound to lead to an increase in anti-semitism over the coming years. There already has been a bit of that but the way things are heading it seems that, sadly, it will only grow. I don't like writing bad things, but that seems to be the direction we're heading.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

eemoi

but is that really the case? I see every yungerman has a smartphone. Almost all of them, anyway. It may LOOK like we're becoming more isolated, but that may just be on the outside. hmmm?

oy said...

http://moshemoshel72.blogspot.com/2012/12/yaakov-horowitzs-solution-to-terrible.html

lostinCA said...

where is all this self-hate coming from? are we agreeing with the anti-semites (or the anti-orthodox) "jews are pushy, loud, obnoxious.."

the reality is very simple.
1. "vee es cristaldzich azoi yiddelzicht" in general people are far less gentlemanly today than 20 yrs ago. when everything is "i", ipad,iphone, it doesn't leave room for consideration of others. all the behaivors mentioned above i've seen in airline biz class, supermarkets in high end neighborhoods, banks, post offices etc. u can point at chassidim or frummies and say yuch, bec it is everywhere, and prominent demographers are discussing this constantly.

2. i fly around quite often and come to realize that frummies are no different than anyone else. i've seen guys with paiyos bizen pupik acting with total class and on the same plane guys acting like behaimos. it sickening and sometimes i feel like burying myself, but at the same time i've seen guys help older goyim and mothers put their carryon bags in the bulkhead and talk with respect to flight attendants. and then some guy comes down the aisle shvitzing like a dovor acher and bitching because they said he can't have 6 carryons.

U can argue we are supposed to be different, am hanivchar, ohr lagoyim. but humans are humans and some people need to learn. but to generalize about a segment of klal yisroel is playing to the haters and is wrong on every level.

Tibi lotzi said...

Emoi nochi
"Am levudud yishkoin, (umemailoh) ee'vagoyim loi yischashuv,"
I hear Yosef 718s argument, but is this ghettoizing klal yisroel not the path that all gedolie yisroel were striving for?
The old Skverer, The Satmar Ruv The Visnitzer of Monsey , were even more extreme that Williamsburgh was not enough isolated they got an extra fortress of their own Shtetel with their utopian idea of preserving yiddishkiet of the 1800's.. they did not care, Mai
Yomri Hagoim and its ramifications....
On the other hand we have the old argument, that the Jew in Germany was assimilated and intellectual and voted for the PC (obviously in Germany of then) candidate and they were all dragged to Auschwitz as the Chosid of Poland

Anonymous said...

I agree with lostinCA to a degree but his response misses the point.

The topic here is based on the perceived problem how our day-to-actions affect our ability to live among our fellow citizens, specifically how to get a fair trial. It's simple and no need to complicate it.

Ultimately every individual Chasidish looking person has made a choice in life to lead this kind of lifestyle. Rightly or wrongly people observe us and judge us the way the encountered us. You just can't get away from it; it comes together with the territory.

I will remind you all about the Gemara in Yoma 86 that does not use this -I would say valid- excuse that "everybody does it". Because that excuse is besides the point, the damage is done rightly or wrongly.

It is very common for many in our community to accuse these criticizers that these arguments are 'self hate'. I agree when I hear it from 'fremde' it gives me a shtech but it is easy to see when it is delivered if it contains self loathing or self love. I count myself as part of the latter.

Even though being a 'chanyok' (I have not translation for this) is something that is held in high regard in Chasidic circles. Eating fish with bare hands is/was part of a the rejection of everything modern and of Parisian culture.

When a fancy modern dressed person once came to visit the Viznitzer Rebbe Rav Chaim Meir zt"l in Benei Brak and he noticed that the bochirem were awe struck by his appearance, he turned to them and said
מ'דארף נישט נתפעל ווערן פון געביגלטע הויזען
You don't have to be awe struck of pressed pants.

I think that attitude is a good deal of the source of this behavior. Rejection of formality overkill result is crude and rude behavior. Middle America has no historic reference to the Belzer Rebbe's rejection of a Poilisher Yidel that dressed like a Dietchel.

Somebody who is not of Chasidish/Heimish background can have no clue what I am talking about but for those who do know exactly what I mean.

It is just when those chanyokes arrived in Vienna after WW1 that raised the ire of the locals both Jews and anti semites. (See Mein Kampf yemach shemo about the long black frocked Jews who "are allergic to water" עפרא לפימיה )

This issue is not new. But combined with the new arrogance detailed in my original post are relevant to this problem.

Here is the ultimate test of how we need to behave; yes there is litmus test here it is:

ואהבת את ה' אלהיך שיהא שם שמים מתאהב על ידך שיהא קורא ושונה ומשמש ת"ח ויהא משאו ומתנו בנחת עם הבריות מה הבריות אומרות עליו אשרי אביו שלמדו תורה אשרי רבו שלמדו תורה אוי להם לבריות שלא למדו תורה פלוני שלמדו תורה ראו כמה נאים דרכיו כמה מתוקנים מעשיו עליו הכתוב אומר (ישעיהו מט, ג) ויאמר לי עבדי אתה ישראל אשר בך אתפאר אבל מי שקורא ושונה ומשמש ת"ח ואין משאו ומתנו באמונה ואין דבורו בנחת עם הבריות מה הבריות אומרות עליו אוי לו לפלוני שלמד תורה אוי לו לאביו שלמדו תורה אוי לו לרבו שלמדו תורה פלוני שלמד תורה ראו כמה מקולקלין מעשיו וכמה מכוערין דרכיו ועליו הכתוב אומר (יחזקאל לו, כ) באמור להם עם ה' אלה ומארצו יצאו

Anonymous said...

I agree with lostinCA to a degree but his response misses the point.

The topic here is based on the perceived problem how our day-to-actions affect our ability to live among our fellow citizens, specifically how to get a fair trial. It's simple and no need to complicate it.

Ultimately every individual Chasidish looking person has made a choice in life to lead this kind of lifestyle. Rightly or wrongly people observe us and judge us the way the encountered us. You just can't get away from it; it comes together with the territory.

I will remind you all about the Gemara in Yoma 86 that does not use this -I would say valid- excuse that "everybody does it". Because that excuse is besides the point, the damage is done rightly or wrongly.

It is very common for many in our community to accuse these criticizers that these arguments are 'self hate'. I agree when I hear it from 'fremde' it gives me a shtech but it is easy to see when it is delivered if it contains self loathing or self love. I count myself as part of the latter.

Even though being a 'chanyok' (I have not translation for this) is something that is held in high regard in Chasidic circles. Eating fish with bare hands is/was part of a the rejection of everything modern and of Parisian culture.

When a fancy modern dressed person once came to visit the Viznitzer Rebbe Rav Chaim Meir zt"l in Benei Brak and he noticed that the bochirem were awe struck by his appearance, he turned to them and said
מ'דארף נישט נתפעל ווערן פון געביגלטע הויזען
You don't have to be awe struck of pressed pants.

I think that attitude is a good deal of the source of this behavior. Rejection of formality overkill result is crude and rude behavior. Middle America has no historic reference to the Belzer Rebbe's rejection of a Poilisher Yidel that dressed like a Dietchel.

Somebody who is not of Chasidish/Heimish background can have no clue what I am talking about but for those who do know exactly what I mean.

It is just when those chanyokes arrived in Vienna after WW1 that raised the ire of the locals both Jews and anti semites. (See Mein Kampf yemach shemo about the long black frocked Jews who "are allergic to water" עפרא לפימיה )

This issue is not new. But combined with the new arrogance detailed in my original post are relevant to this problem.

Here is the ultimate test of how we need to behave; yes there is litmus test here it is:

ואהבת את ה' אלהיך שיהא שם שמים מתאהב על ידך שיהא קורא ושונה ומשמש ת"ח ויהא משאו ומתנו בנחת עם הבריות מה הבריות אומרות עליו אשרי אביו שלמדו תורה אשרי רבו שלמדו תורה אוי להם לבריות שלא למדו תורה פלוני שלמדו תורה ראו כמה נאים דרכיו כמה מתוקנים מעשיו עליו הכתוב אומר (ישעיהו מט, ג) ויאמר לי עבדי אתה ישראל אשר בך אתפאר אבל מי שקורא ושונה ומשמש ת"ח ואין משאו ומתנו באמונה ואין דבורו בנחת עם הבריות מה הבריות אומרות עליו אוי לו לפלוני שלמד תורה אוי לו לאביו שלמדו תורה אוי לו לרבו שלמדו תורה פלוני שלמד תורה ראו כמה מקולקלין מעשיו וכמה מכוערין דרכיו ועליו הכתוב אומר (יחזקאל לו, כ) באמור להם עם ה' אלה ומארצו יצאו

Yosef 718

Anonymous said...

Tibi lotzi said...
Emoi nochi
"Am levudud yishkoin, (umemailoh) ee'vagoyim loi yischashuv,"
I hear Yosef 718s argument, but is this ghettoizing klal yisroel not the path that all gedolie yisroel were striving for?"

again you're mixing two issues.
ghettotizing klal yisroel is not a contradiction to behaving with respect and dignity when interacting with outsiders. stories are told about these same rebbes who created walls and moats around their chassidim, and the aidelkeit they treated outsiders with.

yehuda305 said...

Yosef 718 said:
ותחללו את שם קדשי באמור להם עם ה' אלה ומארצו יצאו

So the scripture is not reffering to the state of Israel when it defies and angers in the name of all Jews, all nations of the world, in particular America the hand that feeds it!

When the prime minster of Israel who comes to America and is desecrating the shabot publicly, or when he eats pork in a white house state dinner! In dismay of all assembled.

When they put in danger of WWIII the whole world with their apartheid and instrigent policies!

When 95%+ Jews in Israel and world wide defy the teachings of the torah in every sense of the word! Living publicly in sin worst than the gentiles! around them, Including supporting gay marriages etc.! And the whole world is watching them in awe!

When the so called ‘clean shaven’ cologne smelling Jews from Abramowitz’s to Nadoff's and all in between are bastardizeing the political and economical hard earned processes of America with their master Thievery and Shenanigans. etc. etc. etc. No problem!

No to all the above! No problem gentiles love us for that! But the real culprit are a handful of Jews trying to stick to the teachings of their fathers trying mightily to stick to their jerished customs of Jewish names, clothing, and language! Which after all got them freed from the Diaspora before? didn’t it? Even all that 3 customs are not even a requirement to the observant torah Jew!

In all what's needed frum Jews take a bath daily! (of course they go to mikvah no?) Don’t perspire.., or be overweight.. and say Pleaseeeeee! at the deli counter! And all will be well!

אגודיסט-פון-אמאל said...

Yosef 718: "It is just when those chanyokes arrived in Vienna after WW1 that raised the ire of the locals both Jews and anti semites. (See Mein Kampf yemach shemo about the long black frocked Jews who "are allergic to water" עפרא לפימיה)
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הרצל ימש"ו יליד אונגארן כותב עיתונים באסטרייך-אונגארן! עיר של האשמדאי מלך השדים, היטלער! היה מתגרה אתו ועמו באופן מבהיל שאין כמוהו! כותב בהסתה שלו בגאותו ובעזותו כדלהלן: "היהודים מנצלים את דשן ולשד העמים -- היהודים משחקים משחק כפול!, מתגעגעים אל ארצם, מצפון לבם ונפשם דורש להשתחרר מעול הגוים, מתפללים על שיבת ציון שלש פעמים ביום, וקוראים אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני, ובאותו זמן עצמו מבטיחים להעמים ולממשלות שמרגישים עצמם כאנגלים, גרמנים, הונגרים.. אנו היהודים זרים באירופה!, לנו יש ארץ לעצמנו ירושת אבותינו, כשני אלפי שנה אנו נעים ונדים, מתהלכים מגוי אל גוי, מבלי היות מושרשים בטיריטוריאה, אנו מרגישים עצמנו בארצות מגורינו כשבויים!, ובאין ברירה אנו ממלאים הדרישות להמדינה, משלמים מסים ועומדים בצבא ולוחמים מלחמות, אבל בלבנו אין פטריוטית כלל!, הפיזור שלנו בעולם הוא סכנה לנו ולהעולם!, אין ביד הממשלות להזהר ולשמור די מלפנינו!, תרופה אחת ישנה, להחזיר לנו ארץ אבותינו. ע"כ לשונו הטמא
ומטמא. פירושים יותרים

ואתה מתנסה לציין פה, כאילו הפיאות והזקן מלא כל גידותיו עם הכובע הרחב מדי "של הלינזער רב" וכדומה זו הגרם
!??בניזקן שהיסת את האשמדאי! אתמהה

ורדו בכם שונאיכם. פירש רש"י מכם
!ובכם

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