This was too hot even for Hydepark or the blogs, so they took it out. But we bring it to you, just to give all the other lines some perspective. "Vos heist" perspective? Well, There are lots of recipients of his sharp mind and tongue over the course of the 492+ pages. Lubavitch, The Avi Ezri, Karlin, Ozherov (why him?) Belz, his nephew the current Rebbe, and the list goes on. Supposed friends and adversaries. We all saw what WE liked and laughed, and maybe didn't like some other line that was about people we like and care for. You might say that the only ones who didn't GET it were Satmar and some of its satellite groups! Isn't that a doozy. Here the Satmorim are screaming bloody moideh all those years that the Gerrer are apikorsim and they're totally ignored! They get love and respect in return, as if Itche Meir wasn't dragged through the mud all those years. SO if you liked when he attacked Chabad or The Avi Ezri then you need to like all the rest, including the Hasmottis. And if you believed or liked nothing - !אשריך
I'm in the picture, I was with RMK at the PM's house that day, and you can see me, albeit only the "shpitz shtrahmel..." I almost was at the AE's house too, We tried to see him, but he wasn't feeling well that day. We also visited the Erlauer, Rav Wosner and some others.
63 comments:
נודע בשיעורים
isnt being sold at tuvias or is simply unworthy of a book review or only if you get it for free and can stab them in the back?
is that some sort of shtuch at me?
I haven't seen it yet.
The book buying budget is down to zero at the moment.
I have a Klutz Kashe . in the chasidic seforim there is constantly mentioned that Bris Hamoer is on the same line with Bris Haloshen then how can you be the great Shomer Habris(Yiddishkiet as they call it)if your mouth spews loshen hora litzonas?
ברית הלשון איז רעדן איידל, נישט נישט רעדן לה"ר
הערשעל -כל הכבוד
ניט זיכער ווער זעט אוס א גרעסערער נער דער אד"ש צו דער טאלנער
alot of jokes are Imeidel too,
Hershele
the klotz kasha is still shver
hirshel i skimmed thru the whoie wikileaks that you put on scribd and i didnt see this page was this censored out of your version? also is there anything else missing?
It is geshmak to see that Ger, especially the PM, still had that (in)famous sharfkayt & shtechedike quality... I don't think the current Rebbe has it though.
Sorry we don't get to see your face, blocked by the Ungvarer Ruv R' Menashe haKuten. Maybe it is better that you remain visually anonymous...
-- ZIY
Tzig i'm not sure if you realized what you have done with this post.As a chossid nisraf of Maran R Shach zt"l I have always harbored a deep hatred towards Yankele Gerrer as he was the one who behind the scenes always pushed ger and the Hamodia against R Shach in the years his father the Lev Simcha was sick,and this was all while he was a yungermanchik!So for you to print this and to see what his own uncles had to say about him just made my week.Coming from you I just found it very ironic.
what does adash stand for
To be honest, everyone needs to chill. Ppl say things all the time and even uncles that love their nephews talk sharp, esp in Ger. Everyone calm down please.
Tzig - do you hate Ger? or enjoy having a shot at them?
After all, they were the ones who stuck up for Lubavitch, and the Rebbe's kavod, and this is what is refereed to in the "leak" and this is your response to that??
cmon - grow up....
Mottel
I believe that Hashem takes care on Tzadikim, it would have happen anyways.Ger was just a tool of the Hashgocha Elyona, since, if you know Ger, they are extremely selfish pricks as most Poilishers.
Why don't you publish the Rayaatz's yoman for 1929 in Israel and America. You have a lot of juicy shtellen of rabbonim and Rebbeim there .
Certainly the heimishe olam will kvell when they read that document .
Adash = Admur shlit"a
Re Noda B'Shiurim --
I heard that Willi stores are selling it under the counter, b/c Zilber (the one behind the book, not Berger the actual author) was a colloborater with Shaulson.
So they're selling it, but unofficially.
Joskowitz
are you an Eynikel of the Imrei Emes?
reb shual must become rebbi in ger - or a brake away fraction - ger hates when people write about them, the truth even more. they hate "truth".
bobov:
Why would R Shaul want to become Rebbe NOW?? His claim to fame, "yichus" is being the son of the PM, whose kavod isnt that high at the moment...
The Schneerson Kool-Aid Brigade is branching out to start up with the Alters???
Walla.
Achla gever ata!
Rozmerin,who works at Ohel, the eydem by Halberstam, (bro of CHSE"D)is a gevezeneh gerrer
Since the Gerrer got involved with Backing the Chbadsker they've lost any respect they had and gained nothing.Today the Gerrer are the most reviled and hated Chareidi group.
Chabad won big! Firstly until Tov shim mem tes,Lubavitch was totally mechutz lamachaneh.Nobody was goires them.Specially Ger, because Lubavitch was never part of Agideh.
After mem tes,Lubavitch got the stamp of approval of the chasidic world,baal korchom, but when you need the gonef to win elections , you take him off the tree!
Lubavitch also proved that when it comes to their leaders kovod they"ll do anything and Agideh really grew from all the sephardic traditional Jews that voted
Reb Koppel
according to your theory, where is the minimum gratitude from the Lube's to Ger, who - in your words "until Tov shim mem tes,Lubavitch was totally mechutz lamachaneh.Nobody was goires them" and "After mem tes,Lubavitch got the stamp of approval of the chasidic world"
the minimum hakaras hatov for putting them back on the map is ...a shtois fun untehn.
Mendy,
Actually Lubavitch has tried to be nice to Ger.Firstly Ger is a big bad bully that is always kedai to be nice to.Secondly,maybe theyucan win oversome Gerrer to become Lubobs..
Obviously Lubavitch is the Keser and they come first!
Examples? When the previous ruv of Kiryat Gat a Gerer, passed away, his son, a Gerrer, got a brik in mechila and was sent packing so Chabad could get R'Havlin,a Chbabadsker as chief rabbi.Chabad,conveniently forgot that R'Landau took over his father as ruv in Bnei Brak, medihn yerisheh, with massive backing of the Gerrer!
Now interestingly enough there is a big fight in Arad.The Gerrer want the main city shil and the Chabadsker son in law of previous rabbi has gotten his hands on it!
The Gerrer as bad bullies usually are, are not very smart,though they thinkof themselves as the smartest on this globe.Anyway, these petz, were stupid enough not to take the chief rabbi position in Arad before Lubavitch managed to send Lipsker there.These Gerrer idioten did not realize how much power andfurthering of your communities interest you cangrab when your guy is head honcho rabbi in a city in Israel.Chabad has known this secret for yearsand it's paying them dividends!!!
Koppel
have a chill pill, you're way too uptight
Morai Verabosei!
yes, we have all had our laughs at this rav, that rebbe, this kehillah and that chasidus. bekituzr, the works...
but, after all, we arent araber, who are all trying to copy egypt now. we are frum jews (or claim to be...) and we all know this is wrong. no long lost ahavas yisroel involved here.
imho (if it counts....) time to close this all to an end.
lets deal in positives! for a change
Why chill pill,Hirshel?
Do you agree or disagree with the analysis?
I'm having a hard time understanding it. A synopsis would be in order. Tell us your point.
Nice of you to be cynical.
You are just a real nice guy
Koppel
"Since the Gerrer got involved with Backing the Chbadsker they've lost any respect they had and gained nothing.Today the Gerrer are the most reviled and hated Chareidi group."
Ger was always hated as selfish pigs, already in Poland, and now they ruined their name with the Porush /Barakat affair.Don't try some fictitious theories.
דו גיסט פעך און שוועבל and you expect me to be nice, Koppel?
Koppel
"Lubavitch was totally mechutz lamachaneh.Nobody was goires them"
please be more specific, which Machne were they excluded from, Who is that Machne? how are you in? how are you out?
what is the status now? after Ger put them in? are the in? 50% ? 40%?
Koppel
"and Agideh really grew from all the sephardic traditional Jews that voted"
are these Jews in the Machne? or out of the Machne? or Maybe they have their own Machne? how about belonging to that Machne? are they the Good Machne? or the Bad Machne?
Why? because they don't buy their Reklech at G&B or G&G? What does der Eibishter say about that Machne?
Koppel
", got a brik in mechila"
is their no english terminology for this?
Hirshel,
So you got my point.Why did you claim it's hard to understand?
Anon2:17,
Ger had the biggest rebbes and were well respected.You are mixing jealousy and hate.
After mem tess, Ger started losing any respect.During R'Pinchas Menachems reign, there was a short period of return to [previous days of glory.Today they are hated.
Lkwder
"As a chossid nisraf of Maran R Shach zt"l "
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
why did the Gra then make a Cherem on Chasidim only???
When I said nobody was goires them I meant nobody from the Heimishe groups.Shazar and other modern maybe.
Ad hayom you see that no Heimishe shils carry Lekutei Sichos or Iggress, while by the Mizrachi they are gaining followers
Funny how Lubavitchers attempt to brush off uncomfortable truths.
In one thread, you,Hirshel, commented on cases of "loikchei bonisov".Obviously norby andereh kraizen,nisht by Chabadskers
(conveniently you attack Rash"g and forget totally mendel horenstein.typical of a chabadsker)
", got a brik in mechila"
English translation:Was nicely told that EVERYTHING BELONGS TO LUBAVITCH
Who wrote letters excoriating Chassidim who touch their beards,claiming there shechtta is no good etc etc.
End of the story is another "inconvenient truth"
Ahem
Koppel
you're on topic 7 by my calculation
try and stick to one
Ok,Hirshel
Lets go back to your favorite 2 topics.
1)How great the Rebbe is
2)How terrible Snags are.
Happy, now?
What R Chaim Volozhiner wasnt a chossid nisraf of his rebbe the GRA ? What in the world does that have to do with the Gras milchama against chassidim.Cmon learn your history the GRA book chelek gimmel would be a good start.
אבער קאפל דו פארגעסט איין זאך
that wasn't the topic here
This comment is directed to all (esp as per what follows):
Laugh all you want at Lubavitch, but we're the ones (meshugoyim and extremes aside) who have our head on straight: Which L businessman will call himself by a goyish name (um, we believe in "loi shinu.."), and which L family will have stuffed or treife animals featured in houses, publications vechulu..! Who was the first to realize the discrepancy with the Luchos and the gemara in BB (this week's parsha too)..!
Just a few points of "ashreinu", as I don't have the time now; with all the gedoilim and admorim, no one pointed out such basic issues to be dealt with.
Jules 1:15 -
Rozmarin is not an eydim by Halberstam, please check your facts again, sir.
And try keeping to Yiddishe nemen, as hte Midrash says it was one of our zchusim to be nig'al from Mitzrayim and in the Geula asida will be as well..
Rav Saul needs an Eda , Lubavitch needs a rebbe , shidduch geshloshen L"chaim Lomir tantzen !
how can he go to lube-land, look what his father said about them..
Koppel
"Heimishe groups"
what makes someone Haimish?
"Ok,Hirshel
Lets go back to your favorite 2 topics.
1)How great the Rebbe is
2)How terrible Snags are.
Happy, now"
The vantzen are getting restless again
Is the Rebbe of Gur a bechor ? How many children did the Lev Simcha have. I know he also has a daughter Mrs. lev , were there more ?
Was this discussion between the Tolner Rebbe זצ"ל and the Pnei Menachem זצ"ל when the Pnei Menachem was Rebbe or when he was still Rosh Yeshiva ?
Usually the title אד"ש means Rebbe, but some stuff here clearly is talking about the Lev Simcha's lifetime, when it was widely assumed that the
hanhaga would go to his son.
Did the Pnei Menachem as Rebbe talk (privately) about Reb Yankel Rebben's as future Rebbe ?
To Anon 6:00 -
Well, this was said to be coerced..
http://theantitzemach.blogspot.com/2008/07/rebbe-business-ger-style.html
What does geretshke beyahadus mean in gerre language? on page 138 of the yoman
could anyone explain me the maaseh on this page with the p. menachem saying about R Shach something with sfas emes and mikva
OT
that he was happy that he didn't have to give him a kibud by the wedding, since who knows the last time that he was in the mikveh...
What is נודע בשיעורים??
The yiddish in the last bolded ad"sh is terrible. Can't make heads or tails of it.
Did the PM call the current Rebbe a Bechor Shota?
Did he call him a pikech like an Hungarian Rebbetzin?
Am I reading correctly?
Tzig thanx for the response but i dont see any mention in that story of a chasuna and how does a bissele sfas emes come in to the story
YG --
Noda B'Shiurim is a well-done sefer recently made on HaGaon R' Chaim Noeh z"l, with many new documents etc..
Most bookstores (aside the ones mentioned above) should carry it.
Where are the other Gerer WikiLeaks?
"brik in mechila"
Brooklyn Brik?
GW Brik?
I'm trying to visualize it.
OK, I found it.
Where is the good stuff? I don't have time to go through 500 pages!
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