Tuesday, January 3, 2012

The "מלאכים" and Lubavitch post 4G ( a new גילוי)


















"אוצר אגרות קודש" new edition

In the annals of Lubavitch history there's this group about whom the Satmar Rov was to have said "צו זיי זענען מלאכים ווייס איך נישט, אבער מענטשן זענען זיי זיכער נישט!" Those who have issues with Lubavitch like to point to this group and use them as proof that Lubavitch is not what the founders intended for it to be. Truth be told, the group only started many years after the "founder," R' Avrohom Ber Levin of Ilye left Russia and came to the US. Every boocher'l in the chassidishe velt knows that the Malochim don't like Lubavitch, and haven't liked them since the Rebbe Rashab told him to leave Lubavitch after he was מוציא לע"ז on his בן יחיד, רבינו מהריי"צ נ"ע. So in essence the group as a group was never really part of Lubavitch, Avrohom Ber not withstanding. But we won't be a stickler for accuracy here. What has become part of the Malochim philosophy - as I know it - is that REAL Chabad was only up until the Tzemach Tzedek. The MaHaRaSH is still OK as far as learning his Chassidus, but it's already not what the AR had in mind. Avrohom Ber considered himself on the level with the Rebbe Rashab, a "talmid-chover" as some would put it - silly people they are. They were the ones who took the liberty to laugh in the face of the Frierdige Rebbe, based on what they thought Reb Avrohom Ber would've said, I suppose, since they spent very little time with him before he passed on, and they opened the floodgates for any kal and so-called "Kanoi" to do the same. Then again, if they organized in 5684 then maybe he did really say some of those things? He only passed on in 5698. Word on the street is that most of his talmidim, like Reb Yankel Schorr, spent only 2 years with him, and it wasn't every day either, it was very seldom that they would meet him at all. Most of the meeting was done back in Brooklyn.

Over the years much has been learned about the above-named group and some of their positions. We know that he was a Rov in a Nusach Ari shul in the Bronx. Reb Yisroel Jacobson's father davened in his shul. In his zichronos RYJ writes that when he came to America in the early 20s((his family (parents and siblings) had emigrated before him)) he went to visit his parents and had to be in that shul. לכתחילה, he said, האב איך נישט געוואלט שטיין אין זיינע ד' אמות because of what transpired back in Lubavitch, but he had no choice. That goes to show you that not much has changed in Lubavitch in that respect - you mess with our Rebbes and we'll show you. I guess it was a small shul.... RYJ continues to reminisce how RABL asked him to chazzer a מאמר חסידות ביי זמן שלש סעודות from the Rebbe (Rayatz), which he gladly did, and Reb Avrohom Ber was duly impressed ------ So if he was SUCH a Kanoi, and sooooo disliked the RR and the FR I don't think he would ask to her what he considered diluted (ptuy) Chassidus, now would he? That was one anecdote that showed me that much of what his so-called chassidim and talmidim say about him is not mamesh so. But what we show here may be the kicker, being that it's from the "Malochim" themselves, and kind of throws a really big monkey wrench into the idea that he didn't care for Lubavitch post 4G.  NOT THAT IT REALLY MATTERS, but it does to some people. Somebody who was so anti-Lubavitch post 4G wouldn't make his bochurim collect money for Tomchei Tmimim, a T"T being run by the Frierdige Rebbe, now would he? And he wouldn't be so adamant about it as he is here, would he?! This was 4 years after the RR had passed away already!!

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Anonymous said...

anon 1:23, "So maybe its Nishtakcho toras Arizal, and we can be friends again"

I don't know about "Nishtakcho toras Arizal" when I doubt you ever knew it, your haskala reasoning in chasidus, is the same as the haskala reasoning of todays litwacs with whom lubab's likes to have polemics, have fun you deserve each other! most of you will never figure it out anyway after all yevinites and yiden think differente no?

Anonymous said...

Waiter
"YES Lekitei Sichos explaining the first RasHi in Breishis Umer Reb Yitchok that jews have Rights today on Ertets Yisroel"
Are you trashing the Rashi in trash every erev shabos too? since Rashi put the Herzel dogma, as the firast Rashi,
Oi Vey Rashi Hakodesh is oich a farfolter Zionist.
Lets do a Nihtakcho on Rashi too, and until we find a kosher mefaresh, we will read Ayin Yakov with Zhargon, Talk to Itzoo Glick to make a Kol koreh from CRC, it should be on the walls this shabos already.
But don"t forget to add to your list on your Mietzava, Rashi in trash too.You are assured with the keys to the Moshe Ber Beck/Arafat/Hirsch Gan eden

Anonymous said...

Anon
"anyway after all yevinites and yiden think differente no?"
so the only Jews today are residing in 11211?

An Ailemesher said...

Hirshel,

How about getting the picture of the Malach from Schneur and posting it here?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

aa:

did Schneur say that he has it, or only that he saw it?

yid said...

די אלע וואס האלטן אין איין קלאגן איבער דעם וואס חב"ד דרוקט נישט די בריף פון דעם פריערדיקן רבי'ן אנטקעגן ציוניזם האבן מן הסתם פארגעסן אז ער אליין האט געבעטן בא ר' דוד שיפרין אז ער זאל די בריף נישט דרוקן.
בפועל האט ר' דוד נישט געפאלגט (מן הסתם האט ער ערהאלטן דעם רבינס בריף שוין נאכדעם וואס ער האט געשיקט זיין ספר צום דרוק) און די בריף ערשיינען אין דעם ספר "חכמי ישראל בעש"ט".

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