Tuesday, January 10, 2012
"חוש האחריות של צדיק הדור אף לאוה"ע"
What amazes me most about these things is where was Rav Wolbe - lemoshol - when the Rebbe was ridiculed for this very idea?! There were also others who were alive who probably remember the CC wanting to do it, why were they silent? Why did they not stand up and sign on to the idea?! Does the idea suddenly become treyf once Lubavitch pitches it? The Rebbe obviously saw that times have changed and the goyim will listen to the call for them to keep the sheva mitzvos.
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The Great Maran of Benai Berak, disliked Rav Wolbe,
He had to beg by his foot to get delisted from his blackbook.
tzig: "The Rebbe obviously saw that times have changed and the goyim will listen to the call for them to keep the sheva mitzvos."
In a world where 90%+ yiden are desecrating the shabos! You think that 'obviously' is the right time to preach for the goyim? In a world that the 99% per centers (of yiden) in israel want to annihilate the 1% c"v! In a time when you can say: ki-mitzion-teze-torah! The torah went out, left zion!, you suggesting is the ‘obvious’ time to teach the bnei noach torah?! Is this absurd and crazy, or just an obsession by Chasidim to see the world according to their bombastic (failed) dogmas!
אפשר לקיים שניהם
Anon
"In a world that the 99% per centers (of yiden) in israel want to annihilate the 1% c"v!"
How is 30 percent shomrie tora, 1 percent?
Look at the numbers of the last elections in Eretz Hakdosha,how many MK's the shomrie torah got.
You really think that all the torah is on Keap street corner LEE?
Anon
", you suggesting is the ‘obvious’ time to teach the bnei noach torah?"
in my torah there are halachic sources as in sefer Hayad to get Bnie noach to keep the 7 Nohaide Laws.
While using the airwaves to publicize the 3 oaths, is not even Lehalacha for Yiden
Are u getting the irony...
Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...
אפשר לקיים שניהם
Amen.
anon 2:47 "How is 30 percent shomrie tora, 1 percent?"
True or not? either way big portion of that 30% are against chreidim! and hate them with a passion more than the real frei,
btw, read again i said "90%" are frei! and 99% want to annihilate the 1%, example: read VIN supposedly a frum site which spews hate in articles and comments against the 1% much more than the frei themselfs.
anon 2:50 "to get Bnie noach to keep the 7 Nohaide Laws."
You mean before the yiden in CH ? in your words: Are u getting the irony...??
Anon
"read VIN supposedly a frum site which spews hate in articles and comments against the 1% much more than the frei themselfs."
he is a Stmar guy, I think his name is verthiemer
You have to chill a little, nobody wants to annihilate you or your cousin.
It is no difference the a fight that can by any family party....
tzig: "There were also others who were alive who probably remember the CC wanting to do it"
I wonder why the printer of the mishnah berura left that out? maybe because it's a hilchasa lemashicha?
it's definitely not in אורח חיים
Anon
"I wonder why the printer of the mishnah berura left that out? maybe because it's a hilchasa lemashicha?"
you have to know that the holy Radiner, wrote the Mishna Berurah on Orech Chaim Only, and then he wrote many more seforim, not everything he pushed in to the Mishneh Berurah....if it is not on Orech chaim he did not put it in?
Even tough Orech Chaim has some Noahaide laws..I don"t expect you to know where.
anon 3:10, "You have to chill a little, nobody wants to annihilate you or your cousin."
For starters read on in the mai israeli press:
Time for Israeli civil war?
Op-ed: Silent majority may have to resort to violent, non-democratic means to save Israel by: Raanan Shaked
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4169090,00.html
Real chilling!.
Anon
"You mean before the yiden in CH ? in your words: Are u getting the irony...??"
Sure I chap,I really think you are very "Funny"
Who wants to Murder whom, the sikrikim the chilonim or the opposite?
anon 3:21, "Who wants to Murder whom, the sikrikim the chilonim or the opposite?"
I haven't heard of any chareidim killing anybody ever, but I do know that the zionist resort to murder when they decide to do so, and now even calling for literally war against them! As mentioned before
Read on:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4169090,00.html
Hirshel
At the some token its important to know that Reb Yonasan Stief (I think he is considered Hiemish) wrote a thick sefer on this subject, with ramifications that is relevant for our era.
anon 3:17, "the holy Radiner, wrote the Mishna Berurah on Orech Chaim Only"
And how about the shicun orech harav!? is it mentioned there?
anon 3:33 "Reb Yonasan Stief (I think he is considered Hiemish) wrote a thick sefer on this subject"
The question isn't if there is such a mitzva! Rather who is capable of implementing it and how? Just like with the shlicum in the 50's no one was against it even not SR! But no one wanted to do it precisely of what happened more of LA got into CH than the other way around! Now I hope you don't want more of Mormons, Christen and Muslims back in CH right?
Yelamdenu rabbeinu - According to SMBN countries and nations are required to establish courts of law and enforce a sense of rule and law and order.Also to enforce a moral code.I suspect all agrew ith me so far .
What is the halacho when Jews come to a country smuggling dangerous drugs with the aim (if not bemezid yet the inevitable result) of addicting thousands of young people to samim which results in sexual immorality , crime , and violence. These sheine Yidden are then arrested and the whole frum world screams that this country needs to release these chevraleit ! And that this country is cruel and inhumane, why for enforcing the 7 Mitzvoth and protecting their youth from drugs ?
So what is the din which is adiff that a country obey the Sheva Mitzvoth or the new Iron rule of Torah chadosha that no frum Jew sits, no matter what.
Schneur
There is a torah out there and all is discussed, I think that you are too open minded to accept intelectualy whats written in our torah
Anon
"And how about the shicun orech harav!? is it mentioned there?"
he did not write on everything, and even OC has missing large segments thru the big fire.
Y do I talk to a ignorant nobody????
Anon
"Now I hope you don't want more of Mormons, Christen and Muslims back in CH right?"
who is bringing whom to CH?
did u ever learn that subject?
Y was the chofetz chaim not scared that all the Goyim will get to vilna which was already a hotbed for assimilation?
Anon
"Just like with the shlicum in the 50's no one was against it even not SR"
What do you know about SR on this matter?
אז מען רעדט שוין פון עניני דיומא
,דער ס"ם איז א קלוגער בחור,
ווען ער דערזעהט א גרויס עולם בעלי תשובה אין א"י, טראכט עהר , איך וועל
איינרעדען די סא-קאללד חרדים זאלען ווערען נאך מעהר פרומער,פארשטיטס זיך, נאר לשם שמים ,וועט מעהר נישט זיין די פראבלעהם אז חילונים וועלען ווערען ב"ת
Belz fin Nechten
Divrie Pi Chochem Chien
schneur 4:31, said... “or the new Iron rule of Torah chadosha that no frum Jew sits, no matter what.”
TIEKA.
BelzFinAMool said...
אז מען רעדט שוין פון עניני דיומא
,דער ס"ם איז א קלוגער בחור,
What a genius!? Shhh don’t tell it to everyone, דער ס"ם may read this blog to and his plan would be destroyed.
Tzig: “חוש האחריות של צדיק הדור אף לאוה"ע"
I’m sure you believe that your rebbe was a tzadig, but tzadig hador ,well..!?
Anon 5:24, “he did not write on everything, and even OC has missing large segments - Y do I talk to a ignorant nobody????”
Relax you are talking to “somebody” although you may not get the question! I’ll try again The rav wrote halachos on the 4 chapters in shilcun orech that’s relevant to all yiden continuously, so I was asking why not put your energy that we all perform accordingly, and than worry about the goyim!
Anon 5:35 “What do you know about SR on this matter?”
I know someone who was by SR when there was a talk about the lubab shluchem and he told me in essence a few times that SR said “what they can do we can’t” what he meant was, that he can’t afford sending out his shluchem to the streets and hoping they will come back the same way they went!, in one of his toras he said you need “big help from g-d that when you go to shul! and then go back home you should be the same yid as before”
I’ll add until ’67 lubab was considered anti-zionist as per the Meharsha”b and RYY ! In those days no one on the street and barely anyone else will listen to you let alone support you financially if you where anti-israel/zionist, when lubab changed! Their programs of iFuratztu took off! Let them try to bring that message of ant-zionisim back to their 1000’s of shluchem and in no time they can pack their backs and go home back to CH!
"I know someone who was by SR when there was a talk about the lubab shluchem and he told me in essence a few times that SR said “what they can do we can’t” what he meant was..."
Tell us who "he" is, and how "he" knew "what he meant", then you get a prize!
Oh, and on what do you base your statement that, "until ’67 lubab was considered anti-zionist"? By whom?
HA HA HA HA
Anon
"Their programs of iFuratztu took off!"
isnt the shluchim part of (i)Ufuratzto? so did satmar ruv like (i)Ufuratzto?
anon
"I’ll try again The rav wrote halachos on the 4 chapters in shilcun orech that’s relevant to all yiden"
Relax, he did not write on the 4 chapters... As Even Hoezer
BTW,A sefer is not a chapter...
or the new Iron rule of Torah chadosha that no frum Jew sits, no matter what
yes
Why didn't the rebbe give the chofetz chayim credit for the idea? He could have been mavi geula leolam....
Simple answer
Because the Reshoinm of Benai Berak were scared of Maran, (who wrote a Igeres Hakodesh,
anti the 7 noach laws), to publicize it, he would of put all Mishna Beruras in Geniza,
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