Tuesday, January 8, 2013

אההה, ווי געשמאק איז צו זיצען תחת תאנתו אין פאלם ספרינגס


(Clip updated Wednesday 11:27am - it's now several minutes longer - H/T:Gruntig)

This is where we see that a Rebbe or Rov really needs the vacation time. Can it get any better than this? Sitting in Palm Springs with 12 people talking Chassidishe Dvorim B'teilim & Sippurei Tzaddikim! But any Rov or Rebbe that sits down in such a setting really needs to know his stuff, because he's gonna get grilled, and he better have the answers, otherwise he looks foolish. But the Rebbe Reb Ahron - as in Rebbe Reb Ber... - seems to pass this test as well. Looks like my former menahel - sitting to the Satmar Rebbe's left - also needs a vacation from his Spinka job; years ago he didn't go to Palm Springs... I guess times ARE changing. And the shliach, Rabbi Denebeim, also makes his voice heard - which is nice to see!

43 comments:

Reb Chaim HaQoton said...

This is old news, both Satmar Rebbes have been going to Palm Springs for years already and they daven at the Chabad shul there (but they make their own minyan) and on Shabbos they make their own minyan in a local hotel.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

yes, reb Chaim, we know this. The point is the content of the discussion

satmar rebbe said...

reb chaim, that satmar rebbe should sit in chabad and admit rebbe reb ber hot bazigt.... who would believed that, times are changing

shelo beoso inyan klal said...

http://Collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=23498&alias=rochel-pewzner-83-obm

Thought you'd be interested as you recently posted a picture of her...

Ungaverer said...

Chaim Hakoten
the Zali brother goes to Miami, Mokem Sheispaleli Avoisoiv. Aron is a reformer he goes on a new path.
Are u related to Menashe Hakoten?

SDR said...

Chabad should be embarrassed to host this charlatan.

Open House said...

SDR
Chabads motto is to welcome every Yid asher Beshem Yisroel Yechina,

Moishi said...

he is mistaken in one point the beis dovid holds u need to stell a chalef on one side even tough in his times there were already sakinim mlutoshim.

I saw shochtim who made chalofim in that manner they believed it made the chalef sharper.

bottom line said...

"Chabads motto is to welcome every Yid asher Beshem Yisroel Yechina"

Small caveats to this "rule" (you know, every rule has exceptions..)
*You should be rich and powerful
*If not, at least be mekabel malchis.

In this case, like it or not, Teitelbaum heads the largest chasidic/chareidy community in the U.S,probably in the whole world.That means there is a lot of money to get from them.Two small examples are the Mikva in Beijing and the brand new mikva in Jacksonville.Additionally, Chabad needs in the friends it can have amongst the black hatters, where chabad , due to their missionary activities are not very popular.An example was when Teitlebaum stood up for Chabad, who were not welcome at the technology asifa at Citifield.
Locally, Dennenbeim, gets nice financial support from Teitelbaum.What do you think, this is a free hotel???

Open House said...

Bottom Line
I dont disagree, I just had to answer the disgruntled Satmarer( I assume a Zali) who called him a Charlatan

shea said...

I think the Teitelbaum-Lubavitch relationship is a marriage of convenience.
The goon squad from Upstate needs some friends in higher places and for Lubavitch photo ops with shmoineh begudem rebbelach does wonders to sanitize pics with beauty queens, etc, plus there is money and mekiruvem to be gained. For Dennebeim, a nice man, there is a chance for a daily minyan, heimishe Jews and financial support.Vus iz shlecht?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

it's ironic that the 30 somethings there don't need an "excuse" to be there, only Denebeim and Lubavitch need excuses...

BIbi said...

Shea
" think the Teitelbaum-Lubavitch relationship is a marriage of convenience."
Whom do you hate more Reb Aron or chabad?
Who is a bigger apikores?

Ezriel glick said...

Hirshel Tzig
"it's ironic that the 30 somethings there don't need an "excuse" to be there"
there is a Havtocha from a big erlicher yid, that whoever takes in his luggage the Mhari Tav on shovavim, will be guarded to the fullest extent of a real shovavim Yid, may it be California or Miami

Anonymous said...

איך קען פרעגן א שטיקל קשיא. ר' אהרן פארט יעדעס יאר קיין פאלם ספרינגס מיט זיין רעבעצין און הויז בחור. ער זיצט און לערנט רוב צייט אפגעזינדערט פון פאבלוק לייף פאר די פאר וואכן. יא ער דאווענט אין חב"ד, לעבט גיט מיט יעדן דארט. דער חב"ד רב קומט קיין קרית יואל כמעט יעדעס יאר און באקומט צוריק זיין כבוד מען זעצט אים אויבן אן און מען שטיפט אים אינטער אפאר דאללאר. פארוואס קומט זיך מען זאל זיך דא מטפל זיין מיט אזוינע הבלים ווי חסידישע פאליטיק. דאס איז א אפרוה פלאץ, ווי מען קען זעהן זיצט יעדער ארום דעם טיש עס איז זייער פריינדליך. איך מיין אז דא איז נישט דאס פלאץ זיך אויסצוגיסן דאס כעס קעגן ר' אהרן?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

קיינער גיסט אויס נישט די כעס, מ'רעדט נאר אביסל

shea said...

"Whom do you hate more Reb Aron or chabad?"

Firstly I don't "hate", that's something, Lubavitchers do towards the ones who are not mekabel malchus
I think that Chabad is more of a danger to yiddishkait then the Upstater, but it's not an easy choice

shmilovich said...

Shea
So I got the answer, You hate Chabad more,since they are the more danger.
Talk like a Mench

T.P.V said...

http://thepartialview.blogspot.com/2013/01/frum-blogs-and-websites-can-get-sued.html

moshe moshel said...

Aron's next move is going to be to mattir voting in municipal elections as his great uncle held until the pashkevilin came out stating "rabeinu sar min haderech"

Fact Checker said...

Moshe Moshel
Satmar in Benai Berak, always participated in the Mayoral elections

shea said...

"Shea
So I got the answer, You hate Chabad "

I DON'T hate Chabad
You are the people full of hate.
I believe that todays Lubavitch is a danger to yiddishkait.They have Boreinuniks, Meshichists and other marin bishin.
Someone needs to help the good people in Chabad right this sinking ship and get rid of the troublemakers

Shmilovich said...

Shea
"I DON'T hate Chabad
You are the people full of hate."
when is the last time you heard Reb Yoel Kahan say a hate speech?????

Shmilovich said...

Shea
"Someone needs to help the good people in Chabad right this sinking ship and get rid of the troublemakers"
the good people you also hate?
why? because they are also bad? or you will hate them till they will kill all the .......

Fact Checker said...

Moshe Moshel
"Aron's next move is going to be to mattir voting in municipal elections"
you have inside info?

Open House said...

its important to note that the Alte Rebbe writes in letter(printed in the Igroth Kodesh, that he would eat from a pot that a Ben Yomoi,even from meat that a the new Sakinim Melitoshim were not used. I saw a nice article Of Hagoan Reb burech
Oberlander, on this sugya.

In the back of the new Shalat Uteshovoth Admor Hazoken, Reb SD Levin has a diagram how the new knives looked vs. the old one, if I am not mistaking Reb Aron does not have it 100% correct,

The Satmar Rebbe has a point that it was part of the fight,as you see some mention in the misnagdic Pashkevilin. But this was a small screw in that big fight, having a new chumrah, does not bring out so much anger, Did the GRA not introduce the Chumra of Chodesh? in Ashkezic circles it was considered Muttar based on the Bach, did it create a machloka? for sure not.

moshemoshel said...

I love how its always the biggest baaley machlokes that feel they can't use the word and refer to it as machloka...

Anash Pupa said...

This is wrong on many aspects.

It seems to me that Reb Ahron is a maskil and a Mecharef uMegadef rhc"l. with him cynicism approach of not the gartel, not the mikvah were the core of the machlokes against the chasidim. This is a blatant lie and absurd.

Leider it turns out that Reb Ahron is a maskil and an heretic. I can't believe that no one over there stood up and protested against him.

Hershel: I beg you: Please remove this kfire'dike clip.

Oh Nuts said...

Kefira????
you are nuts

moshe moshel said...

Anash pupa desperately needs more shlivovitz

A cry for help!

Oh Nuts said...

I think Shlivovitz is more Unterlander Mashkeh, not Uberlander,no idea what they drank. Maybe someone can help us out

Anonymous said...

Why Does every Chasideshe Rebbe need some Yuckel standing Behind Him Like a Golem? The Non Chasideshe Rabbonim Have No Need To Have Shmendricks Standing Behind them

Sk said...

Open house:

This was a much bigger deal because misnagdim wouldn't eat from chasidims knives and vice versa.
It was also monetary in nature.

Doesnt the vort about the chayei odom come from zevin's Sefer?

Footnote said...

Sk
"This was a much bigger deal because misnagdim wouldn't eat from chasidims knives and vice versa.
It was also monetary in nature."
at the same token, why was this a issue only by the russian chasidim,and not by the galicianer and polish chasidim ? did they not keep the Chumra of the Magid? only in the later years?

slect profile said...

What about the chayei odom?

Anonymous said...

it is nice to see rabunim act like us plain people in public. i admire Reb Aron from satmar

avi said...

" in Ashkezic circles it was considered Muttar based on the Bach"

The Remo was 40 years earlier than the Bach andwasmattir with a famous sfeik sfeika which is not poshut.
The reason people were meikel was that it was very difficult to be makpid on chodosh.Almost all the Rishoionim hold it's ossur bechutzlooretz, most medoraysa

Open House said...

Avi
"The reason people were meikel was that it was very difficult to be makpid on chodosh"
I think it was the Worms in the flour, and today its the same

Open House said...

Avi
"The Remo was 40 years earlier than the Bach andwasmattir with a famous sfeik sfeika which is not poshut."
The Bach quotes the Marshal and Reb Shulem Shachna were Miekel,but I dont remember the Rema,
But you see that all gedolai Ashkenaz were angry on people that were machmir.

Anonymous said...

Butch Epstein is always standing behind Reb Malkiel.

Anonymous said...

Funny how a chabad house has on the פרוכת two palm trees witch is the commen symbol for the satmer chsidus, since the last name of thair founder was טייטלבוים witch is the Yiddish translation of palm tree....I'm amazed by this rabbi, he shows real knowledge in every aspect of Torah and chassidus.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

which Rabbi are you amazed by? Denebeim?

of course it has palm trees, it's in P A L M springs!

Yerachmiel Lopin said...

Yes, the palms must be why R.A.T. goes to Teitelbaum Springs. Naturally R.Z.L.T cannot go to the same place. Besides the water of our people (MeiAmi)was the minhag of earlier doros starting with R. Yoelish.

Regarding Slivovitz, it is the acqua vita (life water) of all our people from Hungary, Oberlander and Unterlander). It is the national whiskey of Hungary's Gentiles as well. It is a wonder that their sedorim dont call for anyone who is thirsty to come drink slivovitz. The only machlokes is which brand to favor. On this I don't dare opine. I would rather be caught in a fight between brothers.

I defer to others on the sharpness of the discourse on knives. I won't take sides.