Thursday, January 10, 2013

who knew that Reb Shlomo Brevda der Gro'nik was a בן אחר בן of הרה"ק ר' חיים חייקל מהאמדור זצ"ל, תלמיד הרה"מ ממעזריטש נ"ע?
















I read it in the Hamodia yesterday and almost fell off my chair! except that I was standing when I read it... For years you'd see the small posters announcing his weekly shiur in Telsher shtiebel minyan... Truth be told it's a fascinating life's story, how he went from almost being a college boy to a maggid and baal mussar of world renown. (כידוע דער סיפור מיט א חסיד פון אלטער רבי'ן וועלכע האט געהאט א חבר א חסיד פון ר' חייקל'ן שקינא בחבירו שהי' מתפלל בהתלהבות גדולה ונכנס ליחידות לרבו ושפך לבו שאין לו את ההתלהבות שיש לחבירו - וענה לו רבינו הגדול: "ער ברענט דען? ר' חייקל ברענט אין אים!) His ancestor Reb Shmuel of Hamdur sat in prison because of chassidus! Isn't it a shayleh of אל תטוש תורת אמך to abandon that rich heritage? I realize that he was "born again" - sorry about that - as a mekabel from the Mashgiach Reb Chatzkel, but RYL passed away some 40 years ago, right as he was turning 40... Forty is when you can start learning Kabboloh. Substitute Chassidus for Kabboloh and voila!

But so goes it. Der Eiberhster fihrt di velt.

32 comments:

moshemoshel said...

I'm sure that there is more to his background than just being a banshak... As you wrote, he almost became a college boy, so whoever saved his soul must have become his moreh derech. Like most almost college boys, he wasn't brought up in a chasidishe enviroment to be able to wonder why he should look further than his rebbe reb chatzkel.

Mushka said...

just want to get one thing for the record: HH do you have anything against this holy person? if the answer is yes. seek help.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

who's HH?

mushka said...

ht

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Just what I wrote, "Mushka"

Chiekel Brent said...

I saw by the Levaye, 2 types of kids with different wardrobe.
Where was he born?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

born in Kan Tzivoh

Siz noch nit Purim said...

"Isn't it a shayleh of אל תטוש תורת אמך to abandon that rich heritage?"

What? Chasidim, who were meshaneh from the heilige mesayreh, threw out nusach Ashkenaz veayd devorim, are talking about Al Titosh Tayres imecha?? Are you joking?

We have to give Rav Shlaymeh credit, he did not go in that direction and went to the real way of his ancestors, pre Chasidus, before some deviated for a brief period. Zol er hoben a lichtige gan eden.

Yagdil torah said...

Siz noch nit Purim said...
Shinu Minhogim was by the GRA, on a bigger scale then by chasidim,
According to the Masseh rav he said he wants to go Eretz Yisroel to rid himself from Minhogie Poilin.
ez iz noch nisht Purim in Vilna too,
The strongest thing by klal yisroel was that all have to adhere to the shulchan orech, and the RA was revolutionary in that, he went straight to chazal as if there is no mesorah to pasken according the shulchan orech

Yagdil torah said...

Noch Nish Purim

" and went to the real way of his ancestors, pre Chasidus, "
there is no real way, minhogim evolved with the years, there is no puritan

gershy said...

Yagdil Tora,
So the "real" mamshichei minhagei ashkenaz are the lubavs?
ok.

gershy said...

"According to the Masseh rav he said he wants to go Eretz Yisroel to rid himself from Minhogie Poilin."

According to you he changed them anyway.So why did he have to go to Eretz Yisroel?
According to Lubavs the Rambam was a big mekubal.
thecherson geniza is kodesh kedoshim.
lubav logic is strange

chesky said...

funny that the tzig would be surprised how an aynikel of one the magids talmidim would become such a gronik
what,tzig never heard of "stokholm syndrome"? i mean, thats the way i"ve understood his "hiskashrres" (double r for fake so calles russian "nusach")

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Thanks, Chesky, I had no idea that he nebach suffered from the syndrome. Thanks for clarifying!

Duby said...

I believe I read somewhere that R' Chaikel of Amdur was a Talmid of the GR"A before he become a chassid of the Maggid (I may have seen it in R' E. Schochet's book "The Great Maggid", don't have it now to check it up.)

Zrok Chutra... :-)

Kovner said...

His rebbe Reb Chatzkel Levenstein zt"l grew up as a Varshaver Gerer chossid, and abandoned it, and became a real "trookene mussardike Litvak"...

moshe moshel said...

In the zechus of his greta zeides mesiras nefesh for the torah was he zoche to pnimiyus hatorah of toras hagro.

tzvi said...

"But so goes it. Der Eiberhster fihrt di velt."

The "guy" from Cali thinks it's the Rebbe.
Nice to see a Lubav who thinks out of the "lubav" box

Jony Klutz said...

the vilna gaon is known with the title chosid, let's not fool ourselves today's chasidim have no connection to the chsidim of the bash"t Reb shlomo Brevda was a chosid hamischased bekono and a yid in that madreiga wouldn't waist his time by today's so-called chasidim

Anonymous said...

About R' Chaikel see

) ספר תפארת שלמה - פרשת צו
כמו ששמענו מאת הרב הצדיק המנוח מהו' חייקא המדורא זלה"ה שהיה עוסק בתעניות וסגופים כמה פעמים משבת לשבת והיה נעור אלף לילות לעסוק בתורה ועכ"ז לא הרגיש בנפשו תיקון השלימות עד אשר בא אל הרב הקדוש המגיד מוהד"ב ממעזריטש זלה"ה ותיכף נגמר תיקונו הראוי. כי הטעם שנותן הצדיק בעבודתו הוא העיקר כנ"ל:

Ignorant and Biased said...

Gershy
"According to you he changed them anyway.So why did he have to go to Eretz Yisroel?"
are this facts,from chabad sources? I like the way people like you get excited, when you hear new facts that your rebbe and your father never knew, then you start cursing and hurling slurs at Chabad as if the Kabalah in the Rambam is a chabad issue, You are a ferd and proud to be a ferd

Chiekel Brent said...

Jony Kluz
"let's not fool ourselves today's chasidim have no connection to the chsidim of the bash"t"
are the talmididim of Lakewood the same as the talmidie Hagra???

סנעג said...

Reb Shlaymeh went in the derech of kama vekama gedaylei eylam, from Chasidic backgrounds, who came back to the gemara, returned to the derech of their heilige avois, old fashioned pre Hasidic Yiddishkeit, nusach Ashkenaz, and so on. Like Rav Chatzkel, as mentioned above, the Steipler, Rav Ruderman, Rav Noach and Rav Shmuel Yaakov Weinberg, the chavrusa of - yblct"a - Rav Chaim Kanievsky, recently niftar, an einikel of the R. Avrohom hamalach and the maggid, etc., etc.

B"H there is a teshuvah movement and people are going back to the way of their heilige avois.

We hope that you too, HT, and your chevra, will also join the movement and return to the heiliger derech of old.

סנעג said...

"Hamdur...that rich heritage"

Can you enlighten me, who is the heintige Amdurer Rebbe? Where is Amdurer Chasidus today?

Yagdil Torah: The GRA didn't make his own siddur for masses to change to like the Alter Rebbe did. In Lita, including Vilna, they conducted themseves as they did before the GRA basically, except perhaps in the GRA's kloiz and some yechidim.

Jony Klutz said...

cheikel Brent
are you kidding? not the lakewood'rs and not anyone especially litvaks have no connection whatsoever to the rishoinim kemalochim, the little yidishkeit they have is ONLY thanks to the so-called chasidim-my remarks regarding rabbi brevda was since he was a Yankee and zchus ovos helped him to b a erlicha yid and he grew much more then the ordinary so for him to b connected to today's chasidim would b a chisoron

gershy said...

"are this facts,from chabad sources? I like the way people like you get excited, when you hear new facts that your rebbe and your father never knew, then you start cursing and hurling slurs at Chabad as if the Kabalah in the Rambam is a chabad issue, You are a ferd and proud to be a ferd"

What "facts" are youi talking about?
Who cursed, besides you ?

Chikel Brent said...


snag
"Reb Shlaymeh went in the derech of kama vekama gedaylei eylam, from Chasidic backgrounds, who came back to the gemara,"
did he write anything on Nigleh? or only mussar, hashkofa and Kabola?
I have a feeling their is not much Nigleh, check it our by your snag brothers

Yagdil Torah said...

Snag
"Yagdil Torah: The GRA didn't make his own siddur for masses to change to like the Alter Rebbe did. In Lita, including Vilna, they conducted themseves as they did before the GRA basically, except perhaps in the GRA's kloiz and some yechidim."
what does it matter if included the masses? the Gra in particular was no manhig yisroel, he was a Goan and dealt with Geonim only, but in his circle he revolunized evrything..

Ignorant and Biased said...

Gershy
"Who cursed, besides you ?"


"According to Lubavs the Rambam was a big mekubal.
thecherson geniza is kodesh kedoshim.
lubav logic is strange"
In my world its Cini shem Rie lechevaroi...

rebcharles said...

I always thought R Chatzkel had Slonimer up'Shtamung.
Anybody know definitively?

gershy said...

בוסט נאך שוכער פון דער שבת פארבריינגען, מעכולע לעיבען?
יעך שראב אזוי  כדי דו זאלסט קענען ליינען ווי א ליובאווטשער

I have no idea what you are talking about.
I"ve "tried" to write to you in your "noach mit zibben grayzen" style
peace

Snag-nish Mit Mir said...

Bigger shaila is, why is Tzig reading a filthy Hamodia?

Shemtzach nisht?!