Sunday, January 6, 2013

כ"ד טבת מאתיים שנה - יום עיון בתורת רבינו הגדול בעל התניא והשו"ע נ"ע

at Chovevei Torah - Watch Here (Yiddish)(Opens in IE only)

 12 hour "marathon" from several speakers (English)

איגוד צאצאים מלוה מלכה אין קראון הייטס

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55 comments:

pitputim said...

A great leader and Manhig.
The Amshinover said that the only Sefer Chassidus one need to learn is Likutei Amorim

Tzemach said...

the event in Chovavie Torah, was nice,informative and neat

Beis Vegan said...

Pitputim

I saw years ago a Kuntres of shiurim of the Amshinover on Tanya

david said...

"The Amshinover said that the only Sefer Chassidus one need to learn is Likutei Amorim"

Who is the "Amshinover"?
Todays rebbe?

But, whoever said it,I"m surprised at you, Isaac, someone who actually studied in a real university and teaches in one, to drop your level to the one of the ignorant chaider yingel?
Do you really believe that the true scope of chasidic thought is captured by one sefer???
And you don't think that Sfas Emes, has anything to add? Or R'Tzodok?
I guess studying ina chabad school, and apologising for them did a number on your logic

selct profile said...

What was title of the kuntresim of the amshinover rebbes torah on sefer hatanya?

Bies Vegan said...

David
"And you don't think that Sfas Emes, has anything to add? Or R'Tzodok?"
Reb Tzodak is a different breed, and he is gevaldig but not much to do with original Chasidus,
But the core of the Sfas Emes is based on Tanya and the Ravs way of thinking, On that basis he has gut chidush, thats nice.All the concepts are based on earlier sources, His granfather was about to join the Tzemach Tzedek a grandson of the alte Rebbe.
I see that you have a dislike to Chabad that will diminish your objectivity.
Reb Elye Fisher( you probably never heard of him, since you are a imbecile that never even heard of the Amshinover who is considered by most chasidim as a Tzadik Hador) who is from the biggest mamikim in sfas emes, wrote a few articles on the relations of the Sfas Emes sources to the Rav.

Beis Vegan said...

Select
"What was title of the kuntresim of the amshinover rebbes torah on sefer hatanya?"
I am sorry I forgot, it was nonofficial Kuntriesim, I saw them 3 summers ago, it also had a shiur on torah of Rebbe Reb Bunum.

Beis Vegan said...

I saw lately Reb Avrhom Shor saying in his Halekach Vehalibuv)that the chidushie Harim, said that every yid has to learn perek 42 of Tanya.
I would like to know his source, maybe he heard it in Ger from old Chasidim or its printed someplace

david said...

Beis Vegan,
Isaac did not say which Amshinover he was referring to, that's why I asked.
Actually I highly respect the Amshinover and therefore I don't believe that he would have said what he was quoted as saying.
Additionally, I happen to know R'Elya Fisher quite well, he is the rosh kollel of Ger and a central figure in the gerrer community, so your calling me an imbecile, is uncalled for (not that not knowing him would be grounds for being called an imbecile, in the normal world that is, in your narrow, nasty and primitive world it probably is, )
The core of Sfas Emes, is not built on Tanya, the Tanya being one of a number of the Chasidic classics.
You are probably to ignorant andbiased to know that Tanya was hardly learned in Poland, and in general outside of the Chabad line

Ignorant and Biased said...

David
"You are probably to ignorant andbiased to know that Tanya was hardly learned in Poland, and in general outside of the Chabad line"
there is no reason to argue with a arrogant ignoramus, but for the other readers I will quote a few facts,
I ( Reb Itzikel Amshinover of BP)dont need to study no other chasidic sefer but but Tanya,in there I find everything,when ever I learn Tanya I find chidushim, what the Rambam created in Nigleh, the Rav did on Chasidus in Tanya.
Yemois Oilem (Erenster)
I think he was from the Polish Region


The Magid of Koznitz learned every dau a perek Tanya, in his RT Tefilin,and he quotes it twice in his Avodas Yisroel.
Naharie Aish
I think he was from a Polish Region, and the Rebbe of the Chidushie Harim
I think he was from the Polish Region

In Galicia it was almost impossible to find a Chasidishe Yid, that was not Boki In Tanya.
Reb Yidele of Zhikov,(reb E D Friedman)


Is this all chabad PR......

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"I happen to know R'Elya Fisher quite well, he is the rosh kollel of Ger and a central figure in the gerrer community,"
since you know reb Elye Fisher well, did you see his article that Bais Vegan mentioned ? Did you Learn his chidushim that are based on the Rav?
You are a arrogant imbecile that has your pea brain set to the tune of Chabad hate

david said...

"Is this all chabad PR......"

Since you asked so nicely:Yes it's Chabad p.r that you must have copied from a chabad p.r booklet.There is no way you even heard of the Koznitzer Maggid, let alone know that he in עבודת ישראל,quotes sefer Hatanya a grand 2 times! Wow,in a sefer of closely spaced 180 pages he is quoted twice!
Btw, can you Lubabs make up your mind to which Amshinover rebbe you attribute the saying that there is no need for any other chasidic work??
So, even today, by chasidic non Lubavitch groups, Tanya is not extensively studied, in the alte heim in Poland ,Tanya was barely known or studied
Now you can go back to your chaloimes
"In Galicia it was almost impossible to find a Chasidishe Yid, that was not Boki In Tanya.
Reb Yidele of Zhikov,(reb E D Friedman)", this must be one of the most outrageous claims I've seen in a long time

david said...

I posted earlier but it was blocked.
Firstly, can Lubavitchers get it straight:Which Amshinover rebbe supposedly said that all you need as a chasidic text book is Tanya?.Someone, obviously quoting a Lubavitch publication, claims it was the father of the Boro Park, others claim its the rebbe in Israel.
(the point that the Tanya is like Rambam, and one needs nothing else is strange.Who only learns Rambam on nigleh????)
The Koznitzer quoting the Tanya the grand sum of twice(!) I actually think is quite telling, in a closely printed sefer of about 185 pages.Whatever.
"In Galicia it was almost impossible to find a Chasidishe Yid, that was not Boki In Tanya.
Reb Yidele of Zhikov"

The above statement is fiction, Lubavitch version of sci fi

david said...

Interesting to note that Chabad had a symposium on the 200 yahrtzait of the Baal Hatanya (btw, what is the Jewish significance of two hundred years??)with a few scholars .After plastering boro park etc, you can see how few non lubavitchers, and how sparse the lubavitch crowd is here:http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=23487&alias=scholars-share-their-knowledge
Interesting to note that a few of the heavy duty scholars, started out non lubavitch, such as r'forkash and r'n greenwald, what happens is that the educational system inchabad is so poor that most of their heavyweights are from outside the system, unfortunately what usually happens is the scions of these talmidei chachomim become real lubavitch, which equals non learned andagainlubavitch needs to import fresh non lubavitch educated blood

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"I posted earlier but it was blocked.
"Firstly, can Lubavitchers get it straight:Which Amshinover rebbe supposedly said that all you need as a chasidic text book is Tanya?.Someone, obviously quoting a Lubavitch publication, claims it was the father of the Boro Park, others claim its the rebbe in Israel.
(the point that the Tanya is like Rambam, and one needs nothing else is strange.Who only learns Rambam on nigleh????)"
in order you shopuld stick to ypur hate dogma, you will besmirch now the Amshinover Rebbe ZT"L of BP,I realize that you have comprehension problems, and you are not capable of reading a paragraph from start to end,What Pitputim quoted before was from the Amshinover Rebbe ZG"Z of Eretz Yisroel, that he heard etc. The Quote of Amshinover of BP, was printed in a sefer from his grandson, with no relation to Chabad, so in your mind as soon as Chabad uses it, it is chabad forgery and Pr....and all your juvenile ridicule in your arsenal will be used.The Lubavichers have it straight, it is just that David is blinded by hate, nobody quoted a Lubavich publication, they quoted a pure Amshinover sefer, and Amshinov was in Poland.
If you dont like the quote find some Amshinover Chosid to explain it for you, Which personally I do understand it very well.

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"The Koznitzer quoting the Tanya the grand sum of twice(!) I actually think is quite telling, in a closely printed sefer of about 185 pages.Whatever."
Do you think that Reb Shimele Zhelichover, one of the biggest gedolim in Poland before the WAR, was working for Yudel Krinsky? Did he say that he learned everyday Tanya? and it is printed in a Sefer that Domb of England printed , a arch enemy of chabad.So why are you arguing on the number of the quote? it was put in as an aside.
How many times does he quote other seforim of his peers, 3 times? 4 Times?
Reb Shimele Zhelichover was a chosid of Rebbes of the Kozhnitzer school

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"In Galicia it was almost impossible to find a Chasidishe Yid, that was not Boki In Tanya.
Reb Yidele of Zhikov"

The above statement is fiction, Lubavitch version of sci fi"

is Reb Lazer Duvid Friedman, A Lubavicher? or a Viznitzer employed by Belz in London, where is Lubavich in the picture here?
Why did you eliminate by your pasting, the source?

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"Interesting to note that Chabad had a symposium on the 200 yahrtzait of the Baal Hatanya (btw, what is the Jewish significance of two hundred years??)"
the same significance of eating plums in Bobov Rosh Chodesh, and eating Tzvibel Kugel in Skver and the same significance as making in Willi a Kolel Shomrie Hachomos event for 150 years of Chasm Sofer in the NYS Armory, the same as plastering the whole universe with a multi million PR campaign for 50 years of Reb Aron Kotler

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"you can see how few non lubavitchers, and how sparse the lubavitch crowd is here:"

I guess Lubavichers like better a Geshmake Farbrengen,as you see the big crowd in 770.
I did not see no poster of the event, you are so obsessed that you see every small index card that has Chabad name on it

Ignorant and biased said...

David
" such as r'forkash and r'n greenwald, what happens is that the educational system inchabad is so poor that most of their heavyweights are from outside the system"
how many speakers were there? how many were Lubavich? Is Rav Korf Lubavich?
Rav Matusov Lubavich?
Rav Altien Lubavich?
Rav Gurarie Lubavich?
Rav Rienitz Lubavich?
Reb Berel Levin Lubavich? Now take off your shoes and count...
since you are in to Chabad nitpicking, did you realize that there was a other event in CH the same day the same time with multiple speakers, all from Lubavich?

Ignorant and biased said...

David
" such as r'forkash and r'n greenwald, what happens is "
did you ever think what happened that this 2 people joined Lubavich, the ignorant Am Arietzim group of CH?

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"unfortunately what usually happens is the scions of these talmidei chachomim become real lubavitch"
I dont know all the Kids of rav Farkash, but 2 of them are nice talmidie chachomim, they write alot of chidiushie torah, and seforim. Or do you know the kids of Rav ashkenazi? a list of nice talmidie chachomim,
all I see is, that,
Reb Moshele vizinitzer a nice talmid chochem, left us with 2 sons nice am Aretzim, Reb aron Kotler left us with nice balie batim to run the show,
should I start spewing Rechilas to proof my point?

david said...

" Reb aron Kotler left us with nice balie batim to run the show,"

R'Berel Schvartzman
R'Schneour Kotler
Nice "baalei batim"?
Vatevver.

Won't help you.Chabad has very few talmidei chachomim of any stature, and quite a few of the ones that they do havecome from the fremd.


"did you ever think what happened that this 2 people joined Lubavich, the ignorant Am Arietzim group of CH?"

Did you ever tink vat happen to them if they stay were they were?
To much competition, in Lubavitch they stand out, because, in lubavitch , they have had bishes at the kinnusim where there shlichim can't even read tehillim without making mistakes.
Gimme a break


Ignorant and biased said...

David
"R'Berel Schvartzman
R'Schneour Kotler
Nice "baalei batim"?
Vatevver."
I guess you dont know who Reb Shneur was, a nice baal batisher talmid chochem.

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"Did you ever tink vat happen to them if they stay were they were?"
you think Rav Farkas has competition in toldos Aron from all places?
Or greenwald has competition in Pupa from all places?
You are imbecile filled with hate,
Farkash has a lot of competition in Lubavich, on the Ravs Shulchan in particular orech, Rav Ashkenazi, of Kfar Chabad , rav Bistritzky Z"L, Rav Berel Levin, Rav Ashkenazis son,
Rav Kalmanson of Brunie, Rav Chaim Shulem Dietch,
No Chasidic community has such a nice gallery of talmidie chachomim

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"in lubavitch , they have had bishes at the kinnusim where there shlichim can't even read tehillim without making mistakes.
Gimme a break"
Who had Bishes??????
What does a Shluchim convention have to do, with this people?
Are all the Oorah or Aish askonim bigger lomdim, and if not then its a Bushe for Reb Berel Povarsky, Get your self a break, and bug off of Chabad...

david said...

"I guess you dont know who Reb Shneur was, a nice baal batisher talmid chochem."

You knew him.Right?

david said...

"bug off of Chabad..."

I really and truly hope you don't represent Chabad.They need all the good people they can rally, they don't need ferd

david said...


"Rav Chaim Shulem Dietch," learned in Ponovizh
"rav Bistritzky Z"L, ", competition from the deceased?.Really now are so silly?

david said...

"What does a Shluchim convention have to do, with this people?"

Almost every shaliach is a ruv.Are your rabbunim of the kind that cannot read pushuteh ivreh? You are, hopefullynot every one is

velvel said...

The Lubavitchers are getting frantic.
Unbelievable, they've gone around signing on rabbonim to learn shulchan oruch harav, hilchos talmud tora.

Now, let's analyze:If you need signatures to do something, it sounds a bit fishy,no? Kind of getting a tzetel from a mushugoim house that you are normal.
The Baal Hatanya does not need "campaigns", come to think 'bout it. neither does the Rambam.
But Lubavs are fools

Rav Hadomeh said...

Velvel
"The Lubavitchers are getting frantic.
Unbelievable, they've gone around signing on rabbonim to learn shulchan oruch harav, hilchos talmud tora."
this campaign has no relation to Lubavich, its a private Mossad of a Klausenburger chosid Rav Shmerler . So calm down, "THEY" are not going around,But now you have to twist it differently, say that Chabad is not involved in Nigleh since they did not do the campaign...
I think personaly its a stupid thing.

Anonymous said...

Wow, and Talmud Bavli needs advocates? As R' M. Shapiro Daf Hyomi, Dirshu. And what is is with Mishne Brure? Or Taryag Mitzvas? They all need advocates and posters prizes?

Rav Hadome said...

Velvel
" Kind of getting a tzetel from a mushugoim house that you are normal."
does bavli need PR, yet we have all the PR for the Daf,

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"Almost every shaliach is a ruv.Are your rabbunim of the kind that cannot read pushuteh ivreh?"
Do you know if that particular Shaliach with the Ivri problem ( that all chabad haters love to cite)is A rav and a moreh tzedek in his kehila?
Please give us the guys name and lets verify it, if he ever paskened a shaila

Ignorant and biased said...

David
""I guess you dont know who Reb Shneur was, a nice baal batisher talmid chochem."

You knew him.Right?"
Imbecile,was he a Ruzhiner Einikel, who hid his knowledge in Nigleh?

Ignorant and biased said...

David
""rav Bistritzky Z"L, ", competition from the deceased"
When Rav Farkas came to chabad, Rav Bistritzky wrote already chisdushim on the Rav, and he lived together with him in chabad for 35 years.

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"I really and truly hope you don't represent Chabad.They need all the good people they can rally,"
Unfortunately, Chabad have not hired me, since they hired much bigger guns, as Erenster,Eliezer Duvid Friedman and Reb Shimele zhelichover.

david said...

ignorant and biased,
r u so bored?
what an ignoramus

david said...

"this campaign has no relation to Lubavich, its a private Mossad of a Klausenburger chosid Rav Shmerler "

yeah, shmerler who signed that the rebbe is moshiach.a lubavitcher, drssed in shmoineh begudim.
don't try pull a fast one.just like u r not a lubavither, just because u speak villemsburger english and don't use deoderant a vestige of ur times in sakmar?

david said...

"Ruzhiner Einikel, who hid his knowledge in Nigleh?"

u guys are all "hiding" ur great torah skills.and doing a great job at it.
how about hiding what tipshim u r?
maases gebout auf hinner fees

david said...

R'Shimele learned Tanya.ok
he also knew shas off by heart
he also left teaching in the Chabad yeshiva in warsaw.
hey, u ever learned perek lamed beis in Tanya?
thought not.it Todays lubavitch it's censored

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"u guys are all "hiding" ur great torah skills.and doing a great job at it.
how about hiding what tipshim u r?
maases gebout auf hinner fees"
you have a sense of humor and it is appreciated...

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"R'Shimele learned Tanya.ok
he also knew shas off by heart"
but he also told Talmidim to learn it...

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"hey, u ever learned perek lamed beis in Tanya?
thought not.it Todays lubavitch it's censored"
you own such a print that Perek 32 is censored? can you please offer us the info on that print. Or its your God given talent sense of humor?

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"he also left teaching in the Chabad yeshiva in warsaw."
so he changed the story of the Koznitzer magid too? after he left the Yeshiva.

Ignorant and biased said...

David
"yeah, shmerler who signed that the rebbe is moshiach.a lubavitcher, drssed in shmoineh begudim.
don't try pull a fast one"
if you produce his Signature,I will start wearing a Yechi Yarmulke.

Grabitzer said...

David
".After plastering boro park etc, you can see how few non lubavitchers, and how sparse the lubavitch crowd is"
it will not do much, but for the record I was at the event later on in the day, the room was jampacked

Kovner said...

Rabbosei, can we have an intelligent conversation about this? Why all this petty bickering? Why all this sinas yisroel?

Ignorant and biased said...

Kovner
in my belief system a beligerent venomus person has to be answered, we should not think Shema Mina Denicha Lieh

moshe moshel said...

The campaign to learn hilchos talmid torah in shu"a HaRav is actually brilliant.

A great lithuanian rosh yeshiva recomended that I learn it well, along with the introduction to Eglei Tal.

Bottom line, were all hopefully learning Torah, or at least mumbling Chitas, you gotto know what your doing and how and mainly to have a cheishik for it and a sipuk from it.

Ignorant and Biased said...

Moshe
"A great lithuanian rosh yeshiva recomended that I learn it well, along with the introduction to Eglei Tal."
Why only the introduction? it is basically covering the yesoid of hilchas shabos, where we are getting the 39 melochas from? only from the Binyan Hamishkan or from the Meleches Hamishkan, but later on you get a lot of biurim in the Rav Shulchan orech and even in Piskie Hasidur. Whichever way, you have to learn this and this,
Hatzlocha, and I assume you well leave us for a while..

moshe moshel said...

Ignorant and Biased

you obviously never learned any part of the eglei tal. his hakdoma is monumental, describing torah lishma as he was mikabel from the kotzker.

Ignorant and Biased said...

Moshele
I know this Hakdoma since I am a 9 year old...
it was drilled in me by my father, I tought you meant the Nigleh parts not the Hashkofa part

moshe moshel said...

You really want us to believe that in a discussion of hilchos talmud torah I was referring to hilchos shabbos...? Cmon. I have a bridge to sell you.