Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Truth Detectors



It seems like - like it or not - every post becomes a Lubavitch litmus test. You might find it hard to believe, but I could never imagine that every conversation, including me relating a cute בדידי הוו עובדא, will somehow become a battle ground. Here I am, talking respectfully and full of derech eretz and I get it all thrown right back at me. For those of you who are so worried about me getting "Farchapt," you're really hurting your cause. There are Lubavitchers who make Litvishe and Chassidishe Rabbonim and Roshei Yeshivah take the same litmus test; did he ever visit the Rebbe, and what was his opinion of Lubavitch. I often think it childish; not everybody was zoche, sure, but that doesn't make them any less important. In the case of those who proactively seek out Lubavitch to ridicule and criticize, then we can surely differentiate. After all, we can understand respectfully disagreeing, but to go after them for no good reason? I would venture to say that in REBW's case he's trying hard to show that any Chassidishe influence he may have had surely has been cleansed from him. Much like The trio of RAK, RYK, RYYR were "cleansed" by the AFS. (put that in the luach Roshei Teyvos.)



I happen to know several young men, choshuv'e talmidei chachomim, who were his Talmidim. They happen to be Lubavitcher Chassidim too. I also know several leidigeyers who spend their free time in Atlantic City, who were his talmidim. Those guys have as much shaychus to torah as does a chimp. They wouldn't know which way to hold a sefer. Yet they love him too. I guess that's part of what makes him great. Oh, and they also dislike Lubavitch for some reason, maybe they DID learn something there. I also happen to know that none of the so-called big Kanoyim has the breitkeit to not accept a Lubavitcher into his yeshivah if he so pleases, nor would he hide the wine from him were he to grace his shabbos table. For the most part it's all talk, and talk is cheap, my friends. That's where Lubavitchers differ from the ones who supposedly are Bnei Torah. We can respect a man who disrespected our leaders, with a few understandable exceptions, because we can see past that chisaron. We can take into account his influences, his surroundings, and even his employer, and we know that other than אונזער הייליגע רבי nobody's perfect.

27 comments:

An Ailmesher said...

ציגעלע,

פארוואס פארדרייסטו אקאף?

Who are these pictures of, and what do all those acronyms stand for. Why post things that most people can't understand?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

!פארדריי זיך דיין קאפ

what didn't you understand?

Anonymous said...

Tzig, you had a good post gpoing with REBW why do you always have to ruin it by putting this stupid one on top of it?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

you're welcome to ignore the new one and stick to the old one.

Fred said...

אונזער הייליגע רבי

Who is this? This is not a Roshei teivos or a phrase used in Chabad.
Hydridizing and sanitizing ?

Fred said...

אונזער הייליגע רבי

Who is this? This is not a Roshei teivos or a phrase used in Chabad.
Hydridizing and sanitizing ?

PERFECT? said...

""we know that other than אונזער הייליגע רבי nobody's perfect."""
who is we???
can you copy any lubavitch literature that also makes this statement?
and if you think that statement is true why not make a whole post to explain your theory,

baalbatish said...

A human being perfect? You really are farchapt.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

no, I'm not. Please tell me where you think your Rebbe erred?


I challenge all of you to tell me where all the Tzaddikim that you revere and respect erred. Just one example, please.

Simcha said...

"where all the Tzaddikim that you revere and respect erred"

1. Noach -the Torah calls him a tzadik - he erred by not being mispallel for his doir.

2. Avraham Ao"h: ramban states he erred by putting Soro in danger when they went to Egypt.

3. Soro io"h: ramban states she erred by mistreating Hagar - we suffer at the hands of Yismoel from this sin.

4. Yaakov ao"h: insensitive to Rochel's suffering (ramban); quick to make a curse from which Rochel died oif"n weg; complained about the quality of his life to Pharoah (rashi, medrash)

5. Moshe Ro"h: quick temper made him err and got him in trouble several times.

Even if I can't (or won't) put my finger on where my Rebbe has erred - I know that no human is perfect and I know he fasts on Yom Kippur.

The medrash and rishonim had no problem in pointing out the humanity and imperfections of the ovois. How can we take our rebbes and rabbaim as examples if we see them as somehow perfect or greater than the ovois.

chalanged said...

It is forbidden for us (you) to be meharer acher raboo, but this does not make HIM perfect it only obligates HIM to do Tsuva ,but if your rebbe is an Avaryon YOU (we) are challenged very much to believe that he did Tsuva a very un perfect situation (person),

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

You people just don't get it!

לו יצוייר that he's not perfect, but how am I to know when? When exactly should I decide not to listen because now is the time that he made his obligatory mistake?

challanged said...

Hirshel!!! You listen to an un prefect Rebbe, you don't listen if he tells you to do something that's against Torah
so you can still have a rebbe that is not Heilg and not Perfect
I Challenge You to admit your poor choice of words (or brains),

obligatory mistake? said...

obligatory mistake?
Humanistic Mistake is the right word in the Jewish universe

mee too said...

"You people just don't get it!

לו יצוייר that he's not perfect, but how am I to know when? When exactly should I decide not to listen because now is the time that he made his obligatory mistake?"


OK.
But again, that does not make him perfect!
Stop being so arrogant and admit that you made a mistake!
Just because you can not point out his mistakes does not mean he never made any!
You wrote "other than אונזער הייליגע רבי nobody's perfect." that is VERY different from saying that you can not point out where his imperfections were!

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

man, you people are so uptight...

Igud Chasidei Tzig said...

Stop!!!

Can't you see my Heilige Rebbe wrote this post to meet his obligation for his once-in-a-lifetime-obligatory-mistake.

Accept it for what it is and stop being Metzaar Der Rebbe!

Yechei Adoneinu.....

Anonymous said...

man, you people are so uptight
we want to be Mekarev you to authentic Judaism

Dovid said...

There's that story with the Rebbe and the college students that they asked the Rebbe, "if the Rebbe never makes mistakes why does he need an eraser on the end of his pencil?" and the Rebbe said something like a Rebbe goes higher and higher. Of course the Rebbe is perfect. And al pi chassidus, even the "mistakes" of Adam Harishon and Moishe Rabbeinu, etc. were not mistakes.

Anonymous said...

You are freakin ridiculous!

In the 1980's the Lubo's borrowed huge sums of money in South Africa in Swiss francs and converted this to South African currency. This is known as the carry trade, borrowing in a low interest rate currency and investing in a high interest rate currency. Well, there are no free lunches, the South African Rand collapsed and any "arbitrage" profits were not only wiped out but there were massive losses as well. This was the first time a Jewish institution ever defaulted on a loan.

I asked the Lubo's, mi-monefshoch, either you never asked the rebbe (which i don't believe) but you ask him everything including building a new bathroom on your home, or he gave you wrong advice. Which one was it. These lubo's were full of boyshes ponim and not one dared to answer!!!

Mendel said...

R' Shmuel Gurary was at a mesiba of Chagas chassidim. Each one said a mofes from his Rebbe. R' Shmuel then told a story that he was advised by the Rebbe Rashab to do a business deal that failed and he suffered a great loss. Kamuvan he was asked vu iz der mofes? To which he replied, that I remained a chassid. If it would have happened to you, you would be looking for a new Rebbe!
La'aniyus da'ati his kavanah was that the Rebbe new what was best for him, and not that he ch"v made a mistake.

Mendel

Dovid said...

Kol hakavod Mendel,
I was going to respond with the same story.

An Ailemesher said...

so who are this people in these pictures?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

The top picture may be Reb Lazer Platchinski Who was Rav Aryeh Levin's son-in-law, and once a Rosh Yeshivah in Kfar Chabad. The bottom one is a Rebbe in Philadelphia, from the Tolner Geza, I believe.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Novoseller, was his name.

yankel b. said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are freakin ridiculous!

In the 1980's the Lubo's borrowed huge sums of money in South Africa in Swiss francs and converted this to South African currency. This is known as the carry trade, borrowing in a low interest rate currency and investing in a high interest rate currency. Well, there are no free lunches, the South African Rand collapsed and any "arbitrage" profits were not only wiped out but there were massive losses as well. This was the first time a Jewish institution ever defaulted on a loan.

I asked the Lubo's, mi-monefshoch, either you never asked the rebbe (which i don't believe) but you ask him everything including building a new bathroom on your home, or he gave you wrong advice. Which one was it. These lubo's were full of boyshes ponim and not one dared to answer!!!
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To the 'anonymous' retard kvelling in his own stupidity-
What actually happened in SA was that Mendel Lipskar, head shliach in SA, had been convinced by a few of his gvirim that they would make Lubavitch rich with this 'can't lose' business strategy. He wrote in to the Rebbe, and got a clear 'NO'. Whereupon he wrote in again, 'explaining' how great a deal it actually was....and got another 'NO'. Finally he wrote in a 3rd time, and either ignored the 'no', or 'understood' it to mean ok...and the results are history. I know this from people involved in various stages of this disaster at the time, and many in Lubavitch remember it well.

Anonymous said...

Yankel B
Thanks for clarifying that story, I think Tzig should name his site Veoshiv Lechorfi Dovor, on