Wednesday, February 11, 2009

מיין גיהנם



(From the Sefer Divrei Torah - Munkacs)


A short synopsis:

The Gemoroh says that a Tzaddik gets burned from the Chupah that his chaver has in Olam HaBoh. We brought the Rebbe's pshat way back when. The Rebbe says that the Tzaddik is נכוה because he now sees how good his "friend" has it and he wants it too, but it's too late now. In Olam HaBoh there is no Tshuvah,, and since the Tzaddik didn't learn those Inyonim intentionally, not because he was an אונס, so he's not allowed in to that Chupah. But the Neshomoh wants it anyway, sheknows how good it is, so she gets too close to the Chupah and gets burned. It's KeDai to click the link and give a listen. Another p'shat is brought down in "Divrei Torah" of the Munkacser Rov as follows: There was a chossid - an oved Hashem b'emes - who passed away and came to the Tzaddik Reb Mendelle Rimanover zt"l - his Rebbe - and told him about his Gehennom. It seems like this chossid did have some Aveireleach - since nobody's perfect - and needn't to be atoned for them, but the aveiros were not big enough for the full-blown Gehennom, since he was such an oved Hashem, so they improvised.

At that time one of the Geonim of Galicia - name withheld - was also niftar, and he too needed to atone for some small sins, and neither were his sins big enough for the real thing - so they improvised for him too. What they did was very simple. They took the two - the Chossid and the Gaon - and they put them into one room in hell. For 12 months the chossid was screaming and davening like he would when he was alive - a flam feier. The Gaon sat down to learn בהתמדה גדולה but could not take the yelling and screaming of the pious one, and would yell at the chossid to stop davening out loud and disturb his learning. The chossid - as any good chossid would - ignored him and continued with his avodah. The Gaon's learning, on the other hand, was terribly disturbing to the chossid - not because chassidim hate learning, but - because he could not understand how a man who was sooo into learning could be sooo disturbed by davening. He was also very bothered by the Gaon's quick, quiet Tefillos, for after all, how could a man so immersed in Torah not know about the concept of Kol Atzmosai Tomarnoh, using all of your body when davening? So for him, sitting with this Gaon was nothing short of hell. And since they're both in the same Heichel/Chupah, therefore they get "burned" one from the other.

While listening to the Hespedim today I realized that I had a chelek of Gehennom on this world and self-imposed too! I'm not sure if that counts as Kaporas Aveynos, though. My own personal Gehennom. By "Gehennom" I mean a very painful situation, where like the chossid every word that came out of the mouths of the maspidim was painful to listen to. We can discuss why this is the case till the cows come home, but we can't argue facts. Maybe it's the terminology they used when referring to RNW, words like Godol HaDor in Kiruv, and Arzei HaLevanoin. It shouldn't surprise me anymore how people in that world make statements that have no connection to reality but it still never fails to. Don't get me wrong, I fargin every man his praise and his hespedim, but when you do it at the expense of young, impressionable men "off the streets," as they said over and over again, (which I'm sure the assembled must've loved, being called "off the streets") then it gets annoying, especially when at the same time they were so proud of the fact that he listened to Daas Torah, but encouraged everybody to think for himself...

I've had enough of this topic for a long time to come.

14 comments:

Skeptic said...

"since nobody's perfect"

Now, that's a chiddush!

schneur said...

At the funeral of the bard "Chassidic" rabbi SC, his buddy Rabbi ZS also got up and was maspid him keillu the niftar was the zaddik hador and the baal maspid was the mekonen Hador or the Vilner stodt maggid, it makes you feel good to get up there and use all sorts of Talmudic cliches and be zeyche to be maspid the zaddik hador. Its even better than being a mesader kedushin , more kavod ...
In this case the minhog of the real Chassidim is much better ! Although in certain cases when the niftar lives and functions in a non-Chassidic community there should be some sort of a hesped as the eylemshe will not understand this. Thus while I was aginst having a hesped when my father passed on, my brothers were right it would seem strange that while every person has a hesped, Mr. A does not.
Thus bemechillas kevodchem there should have ben some divre perida at the lubavitcher Rebbe's funeral by one of the zikne Anash.

Anonymous said...

Hirshel,
You probably heard of the other story of the Munkatcher, of the Gra and the Meor Einim in olum hoelyon,Its printed in back of the Kedushat Levi (Munkatch Print). Eliach the menuval is very mad on that story.

Anonymous said...

"It shouldn't surprise me anymore how people in that world make statements that have no connection to reality"

After hanging around nuts who have an alternate definition of death, it certainly shouldn't.

Anonymous said...

Let me sum up the story in one word,

דמיונות.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

why דמיונות? nowhere does it say that it was a Misnagdishe gaon, you can believe it!

Anonymous said...

I don't care if the story was about the Alter Rebbe and some other talmid of the maggid.

It's דמיונות.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

so now the Munkacser was also a Baal Dimyon?

Anonymous said...

"so now the Munkacser was also a Baal Dimyon?"

You thought it was exclusive to chabad only?

Anonymous said...

Anon,
is there no way that people walking around on this olum should have a vision whats happening beyond your farbgrete eyes? You can just talk for yourself.

Anonymous said...

Not narishe stories like this one, and then to go explain a Gemara with it, is דבר ה' בזה.

Anonymous said...

Anon
"Narishe"
on the holy munkatcher doesnt stick, he was as sophisticate as any little modern Choker in Bar Ilan university, he knew Jewish and secular history, piyut, bibligraphy, manuscript research, besides his vast knowledge in kol hatorah. Admit you cant see what the big neshomas saw, you are too megushem even to believe, I am not talking seeing,

Payshe Der Baal Agoleh said...

This reminds of the famous vort Reb Epraim ["The Mashgiach" ;)] would often relate.

[I paraphrase]

Gan Eden and Gehanom are not a different locations, rather they're different states of mind [consciousness].

The word to come [and Hotel California] is just like a big Beis Medrash, for some it's heaven whereas for others it is the worst sort of hell.

Anonymous said...

1. Schneur: before stimas hagolel there was a small "divrei preida" (or shall I say NOT preida ; ) ) By Rabbi Shlomo Cunin who said that we promis the Rebbe to continue the heiligeh arbet etc. (although you point is well taken, and I certainly do not want to revisit that day or tekufa)!
2.A nice illustration of a chassidic yeshiva shtetl life (pupa and belz)can be found in the recently published memoirs ov Hrav Y. Neiman ztz"l ab"d Belz Montreal ("Agura beahlecha"). It's a nice casual read... with some interesting lessons.....

Yom Tov Sheini