Sunday, July 15, 2012

News from Llandudno, Wales, UK (pronounced Chlandudno)

A reader writes: "I don't know if this interests you at all but maybe you want to write about the Vizhnitzer Rebbe's vacationing in Llandudno (pronounced Chlandudno) and a bit of history of how Frum Yidden ended up going there. Llandudno has a lot going for it, The great Orme, a beach on each side and many attractions for families with children. It all started when the Jewish community started dwindling and the United Synagogue Shul there had to ask Rabbi Jaffe for help with a Minyan for the Yomim Noroim. (Rabbi Jaffe's Father In-Law Sydney Beenstock had a house and boat there, that's the Shaychus of the community to the Jaffes) So for quite a number of years The Bochurim of Yeshivas Lubavitch Manchester arranged a Minyan there. Rabbi Avremi Kievman, Rabbi Jaffe's Son In-Law and a Shliach in Liverpool used to come for Yom Kippur. The Rosh Hayeshiva (Rabbi Akiva Cohen) went for a year or two for Rosh Hashonoh. Anyway, the community was slowly slipping away, but Mr. Lee, the president wouldn't let go of the Shul. So instead of selling it he gave it to the Jaffes to rent out the apartments above the Shul to Yiddishe families for summer holidays etc. to keep the Shul going and now they have a minyan many times throughout the year where the Lees and another one or two Jews can join. There is also a "self-hating" Jew who has written anti religious articles in the Jewish Telegraph who lives near the Shul but never attends. [Hirshe] Dovid Katz a professor at Vilna University stays nearby and used to join the Minyan Yomim Noroim and enjoyed conversing with the Bochurim in Yiddish.



So anyway, once the Jaffes got hold of the building they called it "Chabad Retreat Center" and many families from Manchester and London use it out and many more stay at hotels, B&Bs or rent houses nearby during the summer. The Horodenker Rebbe, Reb YA Weiss of Manchester bought himself a house and Mikvah on the ocean and started going up there for breaks and shlepping his own Minyan along. I think he bought a second house for the extras. Then he bought a building for a mother and baby home like Beis Brucha in London except he doesn't make you pay for it and its near the ocean so it became very popular and many Ying Vaibelach from all over England spend time regaining their Koiches there. Enter Yanky Adler, Reb Yisroel Hager's biggest Gvir. He also buys a house on the ocean for his Rebbe's son to come and vacation there. RY has been going there for a month or two for quite a number of years now and Yanky bought a second house and built a Mikvah too. The big question was, now that RYH took over his father's throne would he still make time for Llandudno? Well, he's feering Tish there tonight! (Friday night) Yanky bought an old hotel with 40 bedrooms where RY is staying for Shabbos. I think he's in Llandudno for 4-6 weeks. Last week (בלק) was a private Shabbos. This week (פנחס) there are two Sholom Zochors and Brissen there. RY calls Llandudno "Lecho Dodi" because in Welsh it means "Queen of the Welsh resorts"."

66 comments:

asher bicha espa'er said...

a shood oif yiddisher gelter, beser gaibn far almones in yesomim

Eli S. said...

Yes, i remember going there as a Bochur to help with the Minyan. Its interesting to see that Llandudno has now become a Mokoim Torah.

Kimpturen heim said...

Is it run down like the convalescing mother's retreat in Sea Gate or in better shape like the place in Freehold, NJ?

brooklyn ave said...

Yanky Adler is from Manchester?
How far away is Llandudno from Manchester and London?

brooklyn ave said...

Article about The shul on the BBC website
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest/sites/faith/pages/mike_lee.shtml

Baal Agalah said...

From London it's 4 & a half hours by car. You can save a whole hour by taking the train.

From Manchester it's almost 2 hours by car but from there it takes longer by train.

brooklyn ave said...

Baal Agalah,
How popular is Llandudno?
What I mean is approx how many frim people go there?
Is it anything like Bourenmouth?
Do people stay there for weeks at a time?
Or is it a very small place with a couple of gevirim?
I"m from New York so I know very little about the other side of the pond

Brisker said...

They shouldn't get too close to those Welsh waters.

R' Chaim Breisch, rosh yeshiva of the London mesivta and shvogger of R' A.J. Soloveitchik went to the seashore in Kent, England, for refuah purposes last month. He was overcome by a rogue wave and killed. One of his talmidim almost drowned himself trying to rescue him. He was first interrogated by British Bobby police who were suspicious of him before releasing him to be hospitalized.

Brisker said...

Hirshel Tziggela, I am assuming you became Lubavitch later on because your interest in all things heimish is a distinctly non-Lubavitch trait.

What is the reason why maybe 99% of Lubavitch has no interest in the outside world? This is not unique to Lubavitch. The oylam from Chofetz Chaim yeshiva has the same insular meshugass.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Brisker
it's not as bad as 99%, but it stems from not being taught about other groups, I would assume.

boropark said...

"it's not as bad as 99%"

Off course it's not as bad as 99%, since more than 50% of Lubavitch are newcomers or bnei gevoreners.
Interesting addition to my list of gevoreners:R'Shlomo Drimmer.I was always suspicious, his gitzkait and breitkeit LKOL dovor shebidisha(not only lubavitch) is not something you getting by eating the "kasha" in Teimche Temimim.
Anyway today I see this ohttp://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=20927&alias=new-torah-without-fanfaren
AND realize that R'Shlomo father isnot Lubavitch and his mother was from Spink.

Adler? said...

Is Yankey Adler
The son of Akiva Moshe
The son of Yoir The Son Of Eliezer [Founder of Gateshead Community] The son of yehudah Yona The son-in-law of Akiva Moshe adler Z"L A chosid of R" Meir Mepremoshlan Z"L?
Must admit if he is then I guess he may a little bit of a cousin of mine.
I never knew he was so rich, he got a little yerusha? But that much?

Galitzianer said...

Wiki seems to be saying that Lazer Adler's father was family name Haas. His mother's side was named Adler and he perhaps kept the Adler name because they were a chusheva mishpucha in Stanislav.

Galitzianer said...

Lazer Adler's sister married Berzany whose mother was an Eiger.

tibi lotzi said...

Brisker
"What is the reason why maybe 99% of Lubavitch has no interest in the outside world? This is not unique to Lubavitch. The oylam from Chofetz Chaim yeshiva has the same insular meshugass."
I don"t think that people that are not 24/7 yentes is not
Meshugass....

shmilu said...

Lotzi,
Have you ever thought about keeping mum? You"ll sound quite a bit smarter

shulem said...

"it's not as bad as 99%, but it stems from not being taught about other groups, I would assume."

I beg to differ.Curiosity is a very human trait and need.It comes naturally, unless it's suppressed.In Lubavitch curiosity , at least about other frimmeh groups is suppressed,lest people leave.Raichik on this blog told a story from his father how the Lubavitch boys in Shanghai, would not join the Mir at any cost, lest the younger boys become influenced and lose their Lubavitch connection.

Mancunian said...

Adler?
Yes, Yanky is the son of AM Adler.
I don't think he's so rich from the Yerusha though.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

ok. I'm officially NOT Happy discussing a man's fortune and how he made it. This is NOT a Yenta blog.

Kugel Rehab said...

"I beg to differ.Curiosity is a very human trait and need.It comes naturally, unless it's suppressed.In Lubavitch curiosity , at least about other frimmeh groups is suppressed,lest people leave"
there is no curiosity by any guy with a half a brain in the visnitz brothers massive kugel empires,99% of hiemishe chasidim are not intersted in them....

Kugel Fresser said...

Lubavitch insularity shtamt fun gayvah vos zay mainen they are the only Yidden who get it right, that kaviyochol there's no such thing as Ailu v'Ailu. It's a superiority complex gone hayvire

In the Queens yeshiva it shtams from an inferiority complex. The learning is gore shvach because they just don't have the better kep. So you have these dumb kids fantasizing out loud that Lakewood is on a lower level in learning than them.

Kugel Fresser said...

What's with those crazed Lubav trolls on the Crown Hts blogs always koching shtussim that Chabad bochurim in Shangchai "starved to death" because R' Aron Kotler ztl told the Mirrers not to give them food?

Lubavitch complains about Misnagdim while they have those raving lunatics spouting tinfoil conspiracies.

Kugel Fresser said...

Zolt men zoggen in flug a hilarious kugel mayseh. Tzvan-"tzig" yor tzurik someone was stealing every erev Shabbos from the kugel prepared for the Stoliner Rebbe's tish. An Amerikanner bochur in Stoliner yeshiva dort decided to catch the ganiv with boobytrapped kugel mit industrial strength Israeli laxative. Me ken mainen shoin what a bad outcome that was

Kugel Fresser said...

Lighten up Tzig. The whole country wants to know how Mitt Romney made so many millions with his IRA and what the upmach is that so many big salaries for seemingly no show jobs are on the Artscroll payroll

Ende Tsadik said...

Brisker, 'a rogue wave', my foot. R' Chaim Breisch was advised to keep out of a very rough sea but insisted he needed a tvila. He suffered from depression, had been slung out from Mesivta by his wife's family some years ago and never recovered. Why he chose to enter those violent waters is anyone's guess.

Reverend Moon said...

Chofetz Chaim Queens has become a cult. They are lucky they only want to be meshadech with each other's sisters because most people I know won't let their daughters go out with those bochurim anyway. Because they don't want to interact with the outside world, their yedios in kashrus are about 40 years outdated. People have issues eating in the homes of their yungerleit. It's ain zach when they don't filter their water but they eat lettuce with no checking and give their backing to the Queens Vaad which has the worst kashrus standards of any vaad in NYC. That's the way the YU rabbis in charge of the Queens Vaad like it so they don't get their modern crowd upset. To cover up to everyone else, they have a Chofetz Chaim rabbi as their "posek" who they keep in the dark about what really goes on and a yeshivishe maniac who lies to the Kew Gardens oylam that everything is "mehadrin" when it falls very short of OU standards.

Sinas chinam said...

Kugel Fresser
"Lubavitch insularity shtamt fun gayvah vos zay mainen they are the only Yidden who get it right, that kaviyochol there's no such thing as Ailu v'Ailu. It's a superiority complex gone hayvire"
who said for the whole world he can not sit in 1 stadium with other type of chasidim Reb Yoel Kahan or Malkiel Kotler... you piece of drekk.

Choked on Kugel said...

Kugel Fresser
"What's with those crazed Lubav trolls on the Crown Hts blogs always koching shtussim that Chabad bochurim in Shangchai "starved to death" because R' Aron Kotler ztl told the Mirrers not to give them food?"
Did Reb aron kotler put them out to die? I dont know the facts, but I don"t think if it is true that it is shtussim...even the torah gives rights for a goal hadam....

Lubav halb gebakken said...

Choked on Kugel just proved the point that plenty of Lubavs are crazy enough to believe such a preposterous thing, the false rumor invented by Lubavs full of sinah for the Gadol hador, rosh yeshiva of Kletzk & Lakewood and the Mirrer yeshiva which was zoyche to escape in its entirety due to their tremendous hasmodah

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

were they bigger masmidim than Kletzk, Slabodka, Telz?

Lubav halb gebakken said...

They do say the Mirrer hasmodah was the greatest in Lita. The bombing raids in Shangchai yochiach when ettlicha kept learning & didn't even run to the shelters

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

oy.

Lubav halb gebakken said...

Filtering water

The outside world was watching Crown Heights with dismay. Rav Schwey hot geposkent az me darft filteren. Ober Osdaba rammed it down everyone's throats that Anoichi oimair no filtering and if you're under CHK you do as I say, or else! Major attitude problem. It was bad for business as most customers of food gesheften are filtering

Choked on Kugel said...

semi Grilled
"ust proved the point that plenty of Lubavs are crazy enough to believe such a preposterous thing, the false rumor invented by Lubavs full of sinah"
noting what I said proves anything...I did say I dont know the facts why are you jumping....

Choked on Kugel said...

Semi Grilled
"the Gadol hador, rosh yeshiva of Kletzk & Lakewood"
is he the Godel hadoir by Satmarer chasdim too? by Viznitzer too? You think he was the godal hador by the Tzelemer Ruv too? nobody disagrees he was a big godol... and some people have issues with him the same way he had issues with them....if they have facts then they are correct and if not they are wrong and case is closed...

Choked on Kugel said...

semi Grilled
"They do say the Mirrer hasmodah was the greatest in Lita. "
thats the reason that Salabodke, Branovich etc... went into smoke because of the Shvache hasmoda.. Oi Vey for Lita if you are their defender I hope you join the Obama team as a consultant...

Choked on Kugel said...

Semi grilled
"The outside world was watching Crown Heights with dismay. Rav Schwey hot geposkent az me darft filteren"
before u jump and conclude that every thing is politics, like by you litvishe drekk....Look in the newly periodical Oir Yisroel of Monsey with a beautiful teshuva of the real talmid chochem Rav Heller from the CH bies din,that Filtering is not needed, plus Rav Rietport a other goan on his own merits, wrote also a teshuva that filtering is not needed and if it is not needed you are Motzi Laaz on Bubie and Ziede and all Gedolim that used the unfiltered...
You are a typical neo ben torah with no torah....

Just the facts, man said...

The Satmar Rov held the world of Rav Aron Kotler ztvkl. R' Yoelish had a hard time being maspid him at the levaya because he was crying like a baby over the loss to Klal Yisroel.

Although R' Aron & also Rav Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz ztl both almost never agreed with the Satmar Rov on anything, they all had tremendous respect for each other.

When the nutcase Weberman, talmid of the (ex-Chabad) Malach came to the Satmar Rov's house to badmouth R' Shraga Feivel, the Rov had a fit and threw Weberman out on his head.

Then as now, it seems some people with influence from Lubavitch have no respect for anyone but their own.

Just the facts, man said...

There was an adam gadol who said that about Mirrer hasmada. It doesn't mean that the kedoshim from other yeshivos were batlonim in any way. There is nothing wrong with saying that if the Mir was a little extra that they were zocheh to emerge as a whole entity.

yoel said...

" like by you litvishe drekk"

They don't teach you loshon nekiya in Lubavitch?

choked on kugel said...

Just the facts
"The Satmar Rov held the world of Rav Aron Kotler ztvkl. R' Yoelish had a hard time being maspid him at the levaya because he was crying like a baby over the loss to Klal Yisroel."
a nechtigen tog, he was not even sure if he should go the levaye... go back to your rebbe to get your facts straight...

choked on kugel said...

Yoel
"They don't teach you loshon nekiya in Lubavitch?"
I am no lubavicher... all my language I got from listening to the Birech moshe and his sons...

choked on Kugel said...

Just the facts
"There is nothing wrong with saying that if the Mir was a little extra that they were zocheh to emerge as a whole entity."
please ask that odem godel if the bums of YU that survived the war unscathed at all, were bigger masmidim then Salabodka..
there is noting wrong with being a idiot... you were born that way...

Loshen Nekiya said...

Just the facts
"
Then as now, it seems some people with influence from Lubavitch have no respect for anyone but their own."
explain Influence... where... what when...
who made all of the charadie world in to Apikorsim and wrote a book about it?
Who said he can not sit in one stadium with other Jews?
Influence facts, get it straight you idiot...

Just the facts, man said...

Wow, such arrogance and combative spirit. The Beirach Moshe would be horrified that you consider yourself his talmid.

Who is the idiot? YU was not in the war zone. The Chofetz Chaim said the Tzvaiter Velt's milchomo will only affect part of the world, ma sh'ain kain the Dritter Velt's milchomo that will affect the gantze velt.

Didan notzach said...

"who made all of the charadie world in to Apikorsim and wrote a book about it?"

You mean the sichos starting in the 1950s?

loshen nekiya said...

Just the facts
thats is the Shalah... how come Amsterdam avenue was not in the war zone.. the Hasmoda was much Shvacher then Salabodka. We believe that hashem is a kol yochel and he can put Amsterdam av in the war zone, ask the Odem Godel for a biur.. you making me in a emuna skeptic... I need a Kloorkiet...

YU - Torah Madua said...

YU was no longer considered a real yeshiva staring in the late 1930s.

Me redt vegen yeshivos.

Loshen Nekiya said...

Just the facts
"The Chofetz Chaim said the Tzvaiter Velt's milchomo will only affect part of the world"
didnt he die before the war? is this printed in 1 of his works? or some Odem Godel with his great talent in creativity, invented it after the fact?

Loshen Nekiya said...

Didon Notzech

"who made all of the charadie world in to Apikorsim and wrote a book about it?"

You mean the sichos starting in the 1950s"
Please explain because I am not getting it... what happened in 1950 and what book?
"

Liozner said...

Hey brainiac, R' Malkiel didn't want to sit in the same stadium as Meshichistim. He had no problem with the miut left of real Lubavitchers who were invited by the Skulener Rebbe

Lubav halb gebakken said...

Are Heller & Raitport kowtowing to Osdaba because if you cross him he will get his enforcers like Moishe Rubashkin to kick you out of CHK and other CH orgs?

They must "really know" what they are talking about when the gedolei hador and R' Dovid Feinstein who knows daas R' Moishe says you have to filter.

Is that the Raitport from the kollel in Boro Park?

Fish for shabos said...

Semi Grilled
"because if you cross him he will get his enforcers like Moishe Rubashkin to kick you out of CHK and other CH orgs?"
thanks for letting me know that reitport and Heller are death scared of rubashkin...Rietport needs to be on the bies din for parnossa. without it he has no fish for shabos. you are a AAA imbecile

Fish for shabos said...

Semi Grilled
"They must "really know" what they are talking about when the gedolei hador and R' Dovid Feinstein who knows daas R' Moishe says you have to filter."
you didnt know that their teshuva exist now you are a maven... Hedyot kofetz Beroish...

Loshen Nekiya said...

Liozner
"R' Malkiel didn't want to sit in the same stadium as Meshichistim. He had no problem with the miut left of real Lubavitchers who were invited by the Skulener Rebbe"
You think I or someone else really cares what that shoita Roshe Vegas Ruach has to say...I dont even know if he knows how to mavir sidra from a chumash with nekudois ...

Lubav halb gebakken said...

Hedyot is right and it doesn't matter if they are from Chabad or Litvisher. Heller, Raitport & Belsky do not reach the ankles of R' Moishe, Rav Elyashev & the many others. One point of R' Dovid Feinstein's letter is that Belsky is misrepresenting that R' Moishe could have been mattir. At least Belsky knows he needs to hang his hat on an Adam Gadol to get away with it. Heller & Raitport are just pfeifing in the vind.

As far as your excuse about supposed Copepods fun amol, not all bodies of water contain them in levels where water was drawn. And only in cities now exercising loopholes in Federal filtering requirements is it a problem.

gbakkin nuch paysach said...

If that is the Raitport from the CHabad "metzuyonim" kollel in BP, I am going to spread the word about his heter for shrutzim because he is the new rav hamachshir of the hotel on 13th Ave.

shmilu said...

I don't think Raitports Kolel is a Chabad kolel.
Raitport is a huge lamdan and talimid chochom and gevir, and he is not a partisan lubavitcher at all.His eydeemer are litvish.

Wash your mouth with soap said...

"Lashon nekiya" my foot.

R' Malkiel learned in Beis Hatalmud and then by R' Berel in Brisk. He can wipe the floor in learning with all of you big mouths put together.

You stupid idyot. You either know nothing about R' Malkiel in learning or are lying. I know what I am talking about because I sat in his shiurim, sat near him in beis medrash, and know his chavrusos.

Boor-o Park said...

There sure are plenty of mechutzofim out there. There were plenty of Chassidishe with no shaychus to Lubavitch who used the machlokes with Rav Schach to pile on him also with all kinds of bizyonos. It was none of their business and they didn't care anyway except to find an excuse to bash a Litvisher, even if he knew kol Hatorah kulah.

These agitator chassidishe once started a huge machlokes over Rav Schach among the customers in Samuel's restaurant by 16th Ave. It got so out of hand that the restaurant threw everyone out. This happened over the summer 22 years ago.

Fish for shabos said...

Semi grilled
", Raitport & Belsky do not reach the ankles of R' Moishe, Rav Elyashev & the many others"
is reb Moshe a rishon that you can have a different view then him... since you are a Hedyot Kofetz berosh.. let me teach you something... Reb Moshe has a teshuva for a yid in Benai Berak that he can write different then the chazon ish, the torah is hefker lakoil...I never in my life saw such a arrogant ignoramus...

Colgate mouth wash said...

Wash your mouth
"R' Malkiel learned in Beis Hatalmud and then by R' Berel in Brisk. He can wipe the floor in learning with all of you big mouths put together."
He learned in Bies hatamud? or he was registered? Learned by reb Berel? or registered?

Colgate mouth wash said...

Wash Yur mouth
"I know what I am talking about because I sat in his shiurim,"
You ferd... Arva Arva Tzorich....

Colgate mouth wash said...

Boor Opark
"These agitator chassidishe once started a huge machlokes over Rav Schach among the customers in Samuel's restaurant by 16th Ave. It got so out of hand that the restaurant threw everyone out. This happened over the summer 22 years ago."
you were sitting on this amazing story for 22 years... Wow, I am impressed from your Kochas Hanefesh....

Get help said...

Whose the instigator with the groissa pisk who starts up with everyone on the blog? Is he a tzebissena Lubavitcher or just gets sipuk from provoking people?

Loi Koreh Veloi Shone said...

Get help
" Is he a tzebissena "
you need help on your yiddish.. you say farbissen...