Monday, November 12, 2018

Looks like we're heading back to the great divide of תשמ"ט

I'm no expert on Israeli Haredi politics; I'll be the first one to tell you that I get severe headaches trying to follow it. But the currect matzav is easy enough for a novice like myself to understand. The Chassidishe Moetzes, after a meeting today, says to Stay Home Tomorrow and not vote for anybody in the ירושלים mayoral runoff election between Shas candidate Moshe Leon and the secular Ofer Berkovitz. Reb Chaim Kanievski says vote for Moshe Leon, otherwise you'll be a partner in all the Chilul Shabbos etc. And if you don't you're מחלל שם שמים. The Moetzes says that they're doing it because Degel is supporting a secular candidate in Tzfas. So it's just basically all politics and spite. But why is Degel supporting secularism in Tzfas and crying over קדושת ירושלים? Beats me. All this comes after the disaster of Round 1, where Slonimer chossid Yossi Deitsch lost by a wide margin after the Degel people didn't vote for him. Not only did they not vote for him, they showed the Agudah that they're twice as strong as them, voting in 6 of their own to Agudah's 3 on the city council. The biggest punch in the gut Ger had seen in a very, very long time. And secretly you might say even some chassidim aren't crying...

Which got me thinking: for a while I thought that were there to be open lines of communication between the Lubavitcher Rebbe and some of his Litvishe detractors, things would be quite different. If the Rebbe would live in EY, as silly as that sounds, then people from EY would have a chance to see the Rebbe and not be sucked into the great web of lies and deceit created by the haters. It would make sense, were it not for the events of recent weeks. No member of the Moetzes, some of whom live minutes away from the Roshei Yeshiva, made the effort to go visit Reb Moshe Hillel Hirsh or Reb Gershon Edelstein, or any tier 2 Rosh Yeshiva to try and tell them that it's imperative that we stay home tomorrow. Conversely, no Rosh Yeshiva went to any Rebbe to convince them to change their mind about staying home, since the קדושה of Yerushalayim is on the line. I realize that here the onus was on the Roshei Yeshiva, since the Chassidim are only doing it out of spite, and what kind of case can they make? How will they convince anybody of the righteousness of their decision today? We'll leave Reb Chaim out of this for now, since Yanky Kanievski would probably not let i n to their zeide....

Some would say that it's ironic that it happened to Yossi Deitsch the Slonimer, a chossid of Reb Sholom Noach, who was a close acquaintance of the late Ponovizher Rosh Yeshiva... (and no friend of Chabad, despite having taught there in the early 40s in Tel Aviv.) The real cynics say that all the Rosh Yeshivas need to do is speak about "Shabbos" and B"K, and all (veise) Slonimer will join them en masse.... Lots to hash out here, including "is Reb Chaim really in charge here, or as the Etznikim say, it's all his eynikel Yanky?" Also, did the Satmar Rebbe had a ווייטער בליק, as his supporters say? although he did allow his people to vote in municipal elections... MK Yisroel Eichler, in his Belzer apologist way told an interviewer last week that since Chassidim don't follow sports elections are r their entertainment, but chas vesholom, there's no animosity between Chassidim and Litvishers, just like fans of one team don't HATE fans of the other team... Time will surely tell. 

.....יתומים היינו

Reb Chaim's Letter, below:

15 comments:

Leiby said...

The letter is an obvious forgery. Anyone who isn't blind can see that the 2nd half of the bottom line was not written by the writer of the rest of the letter. Who is fooled by all this?

Barry G said...

His letters besides for the endings have been written by his kids for years already. The only question is whether he signed it.

For example said...

He allowed himself to be shlepprd to the koitel today. He thinks this election is vital.

סנעג said...

אשרינו שיש לנו רבי כמו מרן שר התורה שליט"א

Alte Mirrer said...

Sorry Tzig , but I lived in America at the time of the Degel-Agudah split. And I fully understood what the "dertactors" didn't like, and I still do. No back channel communications would have helped.

SOS said...

"Yated Neeman Editor (Chaim Kanievsky) blames growing global anti-Semitism on the State of Israel. He explains that not only hasn’t Israel solved the problem of anti-Semitism, but it is a contributing factor".!

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/414358/yated-neeman-blames-the-state-of-israel-for-anti-semitism.html

המוֹרַח וְדָאין  said...

.אשרינו מה טוב חלקינו

הגשה במשטרת ירושלים תלונה רשמית נגד הרב חיים קנייבסקי, זאת בגין החזקת קנאביס בלתי חוקי

הסרטון הופץ בעולם, פורסם בעיתונים וברשתות התקשורת המובילות, ונחשף לעשרות מיליוני צופים ששיתפו אותו ברשתות החברתיות

https://youtu.be/OEG0XJUHiIA

Anonymous said...

"The biggest punch in the gut Ger had seen in a very, very long time. And secretly you might say even some chassidim aren't crying..."

If you read the Israeli blogs, A LOT of chassidim aren't crying. Shocking how many wrote that they would rather be under the hand of the Litvaks that the hand of Ger. Apparently, Ger is all about Ger 24/7. Which kind of explains the dismal showing Agudah made. If you aren't Ger, Belz or Vizhnitz, why vote for a Agudah?

Anonymous said...

THE SINAS CHINOM IS ASTOUNDING. THE CHOSSID THAT WAS RUNNING FOR MAYOR IS A SLONIMER CHOSSID - NOT A GERRER. IS IT POSHUT JEALOUSY THAt ger has the numbers? (unfortunately not in yerushalayim) WHY WAS THERE NO LETTER BY RAV CHAIM SHLITA TO VOTE FOR BTHE FRUM CANDIDATE IN TZEFAS? BECAUSE HE IS A CHOSSID. SAD SAD SAD

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised the Tzig let this comment through. He didn't used to let such type of low comments on his blog and he even prided himself on it ( Lemashal by post about R Elya Svei petirah . Tzig severely admonished some low blow 5Svei detractors, even though he was far far from chabad)

Natan Pelesovitz said...

U see that einiklech are imitating his handwriting from a couple of years ago, you see that his handwriting by the signature is skinnier and more shaky..
But thats for sure reb chaim is fighting for the yeshiva world. He definitely does not get all the deep tit for tat thats is going on halls of the party.
but he knows the basics , the yeshiva world has get more power...

Natan Pelesovitz said...

Anon
I assume the Yated editorial has longwinded lomdus to explaim the 2 dinim,of Yerushaliem vs. Tzefat eventough reb chaim is no brisker....

Natan Pelesovitz said...

SOS said...

"Yated Neeman Editor (Chaim Kanievsky)

Is he related to reb chaim??

..vitz said...

JJJ Thursday, November 01, 2018 5:41:00 PM

"Seems to be just right".

טשיף עדיטאר said...

בחדשות: כנס "לחיזוק עיתון יתד נאמן" שנערך בחודש שבט התשמ"ו. בשורה הראשונה של הכנס יושבים הרב אהרן לייב שטיינמן, "הרב חיים קנייבסקי" והרב ניסים קרליץ

מרן הרב חיים קנייבסקי שליט"א ע"פ הוראת מורי ח' שליט"א נטל עליו כל הנהגת העיתון "יתד נאמן". -עדיטאר און טשיף