Tuesday, March 4, 2008

A New Low For (some in) Satmar



Recently the Williamsburg Satmar Rebbe made a Nesiyah to Europe. First to the Kivrei Avos in Hungary etc., and then to Antwerp for a Shabbos and wedding. His wife also made the trip, since her brother is the one marrying off a child in Antwwerp. It seems like his wife fell ill, had appendicitis or something while in Hungary, and had to be hospitalized. The Aronim, the Chassidim of his older brother Aron, are upset at him, and never miss an opportunity to scorn him. Although they claim to have a much larger crowd, both in Williamsburg and over the world, they're still very bothered by him. What gets me is how they're so sure that he's miles ahead of his brother in both Torah and Avodah, yet they don't miss a chance to belittle him. Is it all because of the shul in Williamsburg that they so need? Can they not survive without 152 Rodney? If he's so insignificant let him have his supposedly empty shul and his few people, and you enjoy your Rebbe and his thousands!

But no! They need it all, and they won't rest until the man is dead and buried, you'll excuse me. Every move the man makes is scrutinized and ridiculed by his brother's people, to the degree that even an outsider like myself, who hasn't really an opinion on who should lead, is swayed to the other side. They need to make sure that the brother has nothing and never will. They drag the now-deceased father through the mud by making him look like a fool who was taken advantage of for 5-6 years by a shrewd Gabbai named Friedman, who now controls the son as well. Soon, they say, that Friedman will turn on the son as well, and appoint somebody new, maybe the Brother-In-Law from Monsey, they say. Zol Zei Voyl Bakummen, I say, that's not the real thrust of the thread here. What bothers me is what they recently posted on one of their HydePark forums, when the Williamsburger's wife fell ill in Hungary. It seems like they think that the Shidduch he made is not prestigious enough, it's only epes ah Rov from Rumania, Rav Spitz from Bistricz, not someone like the daughter of the Vizhnitzer Rebbe from Bnei Beraq like their Rebbe married. So, they went and dug up an old Yizkor Book from Silagy that speaks about Rabbi Spitz and what he endured during WW2. I guess the fact that their Rebbe's father ob"m made the shidduch for his son, and wasn't concerned about what may have happened years back, doesn't count for much in their books.

Just Read It. Then tell me what you think. I don't want to write it out in English.

Hattip: Daily Yid.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Its not a new low for Satmar, its Satmar at its best, Krolle, Ursheve,Satmar and Brooklyn, this is part of their manual, just in Brooklyn it became legit through some kind of Gimel Shevouth that became out of no wehere a part of the 13 Ikram, My father saw paskevilien on the Holy Spinker Hya"d in his town

Josh said...

Can you make the image bigger? I can barely make it out.

Hirshel Tzig said...

Josh: click on it, and see the magic!

BrooklynWolf said...

Even the larger image is very difficult to read.

The Wolf

VOLF ELI said...

It's a new low for you!

Hershel with an E said...

Not much different than what chabad did with the Rebbe's brother.

Anonymous said...

anyone can post on hydepark it could have been you who posted it there in order to make a thread of it here,the fact remains that you filthy anti semite feels it important to publicize unsubstantiated smutz on a person who was a rav all his life and ALL his grandchildren are Yoishvim Boihulei torah and not Workers,and at the same time you cover up all the unsubstantiated paslunes of lubavitch of the last 90 years

Hirshel Tzig said...

my nick is hydepark is known, as is the one who put it there, it wasn't me. Stop passing the blame.

Twistelton-Twistelton said...

To be honest, I don't see the schmutz. She loved him, and he took advantage of that to save his life. There is no allegation of impropriety there

Hirshel Tzig said...

Twisty

c'mon, now, imagine if they'd say that about your Rosh Yeshiva. You wouldn't be proud of it.

Twistelton-Twistelton said...

True, but it is not the worst thing you could say about someone. Logically, why should anyone be upset. Is there anything in halach against what he did? I will note that the writer respected him. Certainly the allegations about other Rebbes post war conduct are worse.

Anonymous said...

You have it all wrong! Friedman Got Yankel Kahane and the Reb's bro, Lipa over to his side by BLACKMAIL! He had the SIMILIAR shmutz on Yankel and Lipa and if not for their aquiesence to Zalmen Leib, their indiscretions too would've been publicized. So what GOES AROUND COMES AROUND! The Aronim are feeding him his own diet!

Josh said...

Its actually sort of a beautiful but painful story. Sounds more like a modern novel than Hasidic hagiography-- that does not mean it is bad in any way.

Anonymous said...

The Aroinim do not try to "belittle" him they just want the world should know the truth

And also they are not bothered by him being in 152 Rodney they just want everybody should know that he is in a stolen Shul.

schneur said...

1. You are correct its very disgusting behavior on the part of the Kiryas Joel people. BUt Zalis have been spreading rumors about Aaron's wife for years that she is a Zionist speaks Ivrit ukedome.
2.I have no idea if the story is true and even if ti sis its hardly a "sin"
3. As I mentioned in another comment my late friend the brother in law of the Bobover rebbe ZTL. Reb Maylech Rubin had stories galore about such things while the Galician Jews were in Russia in 1941-1945 and according to him many of these "shayne Yidden "prefered that he stay in Russia after 1945 together with their m....m .
I am suprised no one came across this before and that it was even printed in the Yizkor Buch.
Actuallyits not that bad as some (albeit a tiny minority)chashue rabbonim just abandoned their kehillos.

Anonymous said...

What are the three shavous

SatmarTC said...

Tzig

152 Rodney for us is like 770 for Lubs
same thing happenning:Moshichistm took over 770, Zalis took over 152

Hirshel Tzig said...

satmar

maybe so, but you'd knock it down in a heartbeat and build a new one, and sell the old one to the artisten. Lubavitchers wouldn't.

Anonymous said...

Shneur

The Zalis circulated a tape of Aron's wife talking to her daughter in law in her pregnancy very personal

HF said...

The Zalis did not release that personal tape, in fact there were no Zalis yet when this tape was released back in early 90's.
It was the Bnei Yoel, the original group of Satmars who opposed Aron as Rav of Kiryat Yoel. (Reb Zalmen came about in '99 or 2000)

Anonymous said...

My advice to anyone wanting to walk away from this foolish world?

Run!

kuny said...

Why are you writing about this?
Both sides are dead wrong.As someone once joked 'any rebbe would be want to have the ammount of chasidim waiting to go into the beis kisei in Rodney'
Both of them have more chasidim than
(probably)any other hoif so why be so greedy to want everything??
I don't want to use vulgar language s9o just imagine the rest

Anonymous said...

הייד פארק פארטערעט נישט די ארונים, דאס איז בלויז א הייפעלע יונגען וועלכע רעדן נישט אין נאמען פון סאטמאר, אפגעזעהן וואס עס האט זיך אפגעטוהן אין ביסטריץ, איז דאס אנטי-איידעל אויסגעליפערט צו ווערן אין א חרדי'שען פורם, זלמן לייב טייטלבוים שר"י האט גענוג שלעכטס געטוהן פאר זיין פאמיליע און פאר כלל ישראל אז ער דארף נישט קיין "זכות אבות" צוצולייגען צו זיין פעקל

yoshe kalb said...

anon 2:37, the three shvuos ate the backbone of Satmar ideology. There is a Gemoroh in Kesubbos 110, which says that Hashem administered three oaths (shvuos)to the world. Two for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. The Jews are sworn 1. Not to return to Eretz Yisroel before the advent of Moshiach and certainly not by force. 2. To be subservient to the Gentiles. 3. In return the Gentiles are sworn not to oppress the Jews more than necessary.All this can be found in the sefer Vayoel Moishe by the Satmar Rebbe zy"a.

SatmarTC said...

tzig

there r many Lubs that they not go inside 770 and they just go to the Ohel
they r not doing anything to recover 770, they r affraid
so, I don't see any special love for 770 in Lubs
we want 152 back and had we win a court case, we r not going to be affraid

Anonymous said...

HF
Zali is up in arms with all those people that were the Bnie Yoel 90% of them are to day in his camp, Eventough they were all the Beirech Moshes archenemies all his life since he returned from Auschwitz, they were all terrified from Alte Fieges regime,
As A disclaimer I have no affiliation to satmer but these were the facts in Williamsburgh until AV 1979

Anonymous said...

Yoshe
Are you a paid spokesman for the Satmar ideology?

yoshe kalb said...

Anon 8:08,
Why should I be unpaid?

Anonymous said...

you are great, I hope its hefty