Monday, February 18, 2013

Speaking of טבריא...
























Behold: Rabbis Noach (l) aka Noah and Shmuel Yaakov (r) Weinberg in the aforementioned city before their father's travels took them to the United States. The rest - as they say - is history. We never shall know what would have happened had they stayed there. Then again, Tverya had its issues with the youth in those days, much like Yerushalayim had, maybe even worse. Yes, Rabbis Weinberg left behind a very glorious and illustrious heritage in Tverya, one of Torah and Avodah, as part of the Slonimer "Kompanye" there. If you're of the Mitnagdic persuasion you might say that  especially Reb Shmuel Yaakov took on a more glorious heritage, that of Baltimore, and by extension Slabodka, but you won't hold it against me if I disagree. Even if he did marry Rav Ruderman's only daughter. What did Rabbi Noah exchange for Slonim? Not quite sure.

I thank he who sent me this picture.

63 comments:

Yehupitz said...

RSYW was older by 7 years. So it is more likely that he is the one on the right.

Their father had to leave Tiverya because he was framed for the death of some Arab. I don't know the details, but that's the gist. Then, as they say, the rest is history. (So nobody left a heritage of Tiverya...) He had karka there, to which the family still has claims.

More later, if I have time, bli neder.

מטהר את השרץ said...

He would've been Mekabel a Rebbesche post, how can you compare. Look at his תורה, he was such an איש אמת, he didn't exchange for nothing
Don't be מהרהר אחר הרב
You heard that story where he witnessed a woman burn because the Slonimers refused to touch her and save her from the fire

dovy in j said...

aish is basically a cheap copy of chabad (at least the kiruv-shlichus aspect). also they both make horribly unfunny and unentertaining videos.

Yehupitz said...

The Weinberg boys learned mostly in the US. There was no more Tiverya or Beis Slonim for them to be concerned with. There had been a fire and his cheder rebbe let a woman die, so he walked out of the cheder and refused to learn "by" him anymore. But that was not the end of his kesher to Slonim or Chassidus. RSYW learned in Torah V'Daas, then YMRCB where he came under the influence of RYH. RYH saw a real Yochid and admired it, and therefore gave him the freedom not to be a "chossid" of his. By the time he married RYYR's daughter, any interest in Chassidus, Slonim or otherwise, had been rejected.

It is known to talmidim, and was mentioned in a Yortzeit hesped, that he had a run-in with Chabad early on. He was interested in participating in the Release-Time program. And he did for a little while. He had reached his own conclusions and his own insight that Outreach to non-frum American Jewry back in his youth, and even before coming to Ner Israel he pursued this venue. (There is a longer saga about how he presented this concern to R'Aharon Kotler, who told him there were more important priorities. VeDaL for now.) The FR insisted that the program be identified with Chabad, so RSYW ended his involvement with it. I'm sure there are more details and twists, but that's the basic idea.

His father was niftar very very soon after the chasuna. R Noach was a teen at the time, and had never been under any Chassidishe influence to speak of.

fred said...

Tzig,
You are being very childish trying to shtech R'Noach Weinberg for being known as "Noah" (how about all the Hungarian Jews who have non Jewish names?>>)
We all know the real reason you hate R'Noach is because you see him as competition to Chabad.You had quite a few posts and comments where you've said snide remarks.This about a person you never met or knew.Plain partisan hate.
Btw, talking about you and yours: What did you and London "exchange" by becoming Chabad?

fred said...

Btw, apparently this pic was taken before R'Yaakov Weinbergs barmitzvah, even though he has a hat on.
R'Yaakov was born in America and went with his infant brother Noah and mother to Eretz Yisroel as an 8 year old boy for three years.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Yehupitz: I'm surprised that you think that Beis Slonim somehow died just because they left for America! You know better than that. And that story with the Rebbi letting a woman die? sounds פריש געבאקען נאך פסח...

lubobs r haterz said...

"And that story with the Rebbi letting a woman die? sounds פריש געבאקען נאך פסח.."

Any more than Butmans weekly gebbebteh maasehs?

Oh,
But that's about lubavitch
that's ok
signed, lubob p.r dep

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

I don't think Butman makes people into killers in his stories

Aby said...

True! His stories are more like making already dead people into "lebedige".

Hachosid Mibarnovitz said...

Methaer
"Look at his תורה, he was such an איש אמת, he didn't exchange for nothing"
where can I find his mindboggling torah? where did you see the Ish emes that you boast about? that he left other groups to build his own empire?
that just tell you about some egoist that was very sucsesfull.
At the same token, Slonim had a Rebbe and now his son the current Rebbe, who were and are nice talmidie chachoimim, no lesser then any Rosh yeshiva.And they build up 100's of Yungeliet Geonim, so what did he get exactly better in John Hopkins/Ner Yisroel?
Lets take off the gloves on this 2 brothers. It was Avedie Behefkiero Nicha Lye. The Slonimer Kedusha was too much for their powerfull .... veda"l
What exactly did he leave behind???

Kovner said...

A talmid muvhak of R' Yaakov Weinberg wrote a sefer on the 13 Ikarim, called Even Shesiah. In his introduction he brings the story about the cheder rebbe who let a woman be burned to death rather than touch her. He writes that R' Yaakov was only six years old then, but was so shaken by it, that he refused to continue learning by that rebbi, and instead switched to Eitz Chaim cheder in yerushalayim. It would seem that the talmid heard the story from a reliable source.

Hachosid Mibarnovitz said...

Metaher es Hasheretz
"You heard that story where he witnessed a woman burn because the Slonimers refused to touch her and save her from the fire"
Its amazing how your ego can get you to sell out your family, and create a blood libel on the way out.And make chasidim(your former family) in to semi Kofrim or semi Maminim.
We chasidim dont need misnagdim to teach us Ahavas Yisroel
Just check out who created Hatzolah(who do save Women in all kind of situations)? or Tomchai Shabos?
one of the biggest gedolim after the war, the Brisker Ruv was against the whole kiruv business, in the world of Brisk let them all rot in hell and assimilate. The whole misnagdic establishment was against kiruv, till they needed Shteles for the overflow of the husbands of Bies Yakov girls.
why did he join the Misnagdim? were they 100% consistent with his views.
Its all for the above, Avdie Behefkiera Nicha Lye

Hachosid Mibarnovitz said...

Yehupitz
"then YMRCB where he came under the influence of RYH. RYH saw a real Yochid and admired it, and therefore gave him the freedom not to be a "chossid" of his."

Long time I did not laugh so good,

Hachosid Mibarnovitz said...

Lubobs r Haterz
"Any more than Butmans weekly gebbebteh maasehs"
I heard that Butman hired for his staff, the people that wrote the 7 volumes Masseh Ish, dont sue for that, it is just a rumor that has to be checked out

Efraim said...

to fred: I think your baseless hatred for all things Chabad can't enlighten your eyes that Tzig is just stating some history, and Tzig is not spewing with hatred for R' Weinberg

Yehupitz said...

Beis Slonim didn't "die". Other branches of the family kept it going. But when RYMW left for America, he went to work, and for himself and his family the Rebbisteve (sp?) was no longer in the cards. I suppose a BanShak with no other dreams or prospects could have gone about restarting something, but by then the interest was not there.

As for the Cheder Rebbe, the story is hardly "frish". It is a VERY very old story that RSYW shared with his family long before we were born. It was not a condemnation of Slonim or Chassidus, nor was it conveyed as such. It was a story about this particular Chossid Shoteh (milishna d'Gemara) and how the young SYW refused to learn a word from him.

מטהר את השרץ said...

Hachosid, you are clearly a bird-brain. Why? Because you say things you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know why he left Slonim? Or Chaim Berlin Vatican-esque obsession with Malkhus and Louis XIV with a streimel?
Face it, he saw the Emes. Not some sheker in the form of Herring and Moifsim.

Bird Brain said...

Metaher Es Hashretz
"Face it, he saw the Emes. Not some sheker in the form of Herring and Moifsim."
where can I find their emes? and his great lomdus?
Reb Shulem Noach and his sons torah in Nigleh and in hashkofa is open for the world to see, can you tell me where is buried the Oir Hagunez of the Wienbergs?
The bird brain would like to judge Mai Bien Bni L'ben Chumi....

Hachosid Mibarnovitz said...

Kovner
"

"A talmid muvhak of R' Yaakov Weinberg wrote a sefer on the 13 Ikarim, called Even Shesiah. In his introduction he brings the story about the cheder rebbe who let a woman be burned to death rather than touch her. He writes that R' Yaakov was only six years old then,"
I think that a 6 year old is too young to come up with a decision like this, maybe the fire and seeing a person burning traumatized him, but not the part of his rebbe not getting involved. Was he that mature to know the reasons his rebbe did not help?
Did he know by that age the Chazal of Chosid Shoteh.
Come on, let Wienberg or his talmid create a better lie....

dovy in j said...

I heard the story of the burning lady from Rebbitzen weinberg. I have heard from talmidim that he used to say it quite often. i think he said it as an example of an individual chasid shoteh and not as a condemnation of an entire group of people.

chasid from barnvitz,
you have a lot of growing up to do. please don't let your 11th grade rebbi know you have a hidden ipad with internet.

Hachosid Mibarnovitz said...

dovy of nj
" please don't let your 11th grade rebbi know you have a hidden ipad with internet. "
Rebbes are scared of their pupils....they can accuse them...

Vohliner chusid said...

by the way their father RYM Weinberg traveled back to the yinge rabbe in poland from u.s.a.

Vohliner chusid said...

The story with the women is a lie wich he used to exuse himself for leaving the fold !!

מטהר את השרץ said...

I really question the sanity of the commentors here, but then again, they are Chassidim and Loobobs at that, so קושיא מעיקרא ליתא.
You say he knew no תורה, because you have never seen it. ever heard of לא ראינו אינו ראיה, my fellow Bekiim in nigleh?
BLN, I will deal with the insanity of you and all of your הנחות on my blog, which I invite you all to see. this nonsense that has turned perception of those who are truly מסור as 'cold fish misnagdim' and chassidim as the ruling class of Yiddishkeit today.
Go on. Preach Sheker and לעיזה, that's all you need on your rap sheet of zealous אפיקרסוס in the form of a higher-hill lookout from your insane servitude of the irrational.

Gaveret Feldman said...

this excuse of the Rebbe in cheder did this or that, is a little too similar to the arguments of the OTD kids. My rebbe nbeat me up etc..
I think its a embarrassment for the Wienberg Legacy... to repeat that childish argument

Yehupitz said...

RSYW never used the story to justify his leaving behind Chassidishkeit later in life, or to make fun of Chassidim. It wasn't about badmouthing Slonim or any group. It was a story that happened when he was younger, 6 or 8 or 9. And it obviously made a roshem on him. So he shared it with his family, and later with some talmidim. I myself didn't hear the story until I heard it from a hesped at the levaya. Does it show he had some sort of moral sense at a young age? Sure. That's hardly a Baalmoifes story. It is what it is. If it's simply too shocking for some people to believe, that doesn't concern me. RSYW did not spread miracle stories or amazing stories from his childhood or adulthood like a Rebbe. So it doesn't matter.

Re: Kiruv and the misnagdim, that was exactly my point: RSYW did not tow (toe?) the 40s-to-90s Misnageid Party Line when it came to Kiruv often spoke out about its importance and imperative, long long before the other Misnaged RYs signed on in their own way. This is known to his Talmidim. And this is part of the reason his brother was of the same mindset.

Re: his gadlus in Emes L'Amito shel Torah, it is a chaval that he did not publish. I've been told that this was b'shitta, but I don't know what or how. But those who heard his diyukim on the Rambam are and were floored by the Emes and clarity of the Chiddushim. A few years ago, a Talmid published a sefer called "Meoros HaRambam" which is a full sefer of his biurim and chiddushim on the Rambam's Hakdama to the Yad. It is so malei v'gadush... And this approach of his was applied to Shas and Rambam k'seder. Those who don't know just don't know enough to regret their lack of knowledge. So I feel bad for them.

Anonymous said...

I think that all would agree, chasidim (including Rebbes), misnagdim, and modern frum Jews, that chasidim have a propensity for believing maasehs. This can be a reflective of a maaleh in the chasidish derech or not. But it seems the the "fact" of how chasidim relate to maases is agreed upon by all. So it is a bit strange and worth noting, that when we have a maaseh about an adam gadol bizmanenu, that was heard from him personally by many people, chasidim here have a such a hard time being m'kabel that it really happened.

Michoel

chasidic peasent said...

Mether es Hasheretz
"BLN, I will deal with the insanity of you and all of your הנחות on my blog, which I invite you all to see"
I wish you good luck on your super intelectual blog, but why invite ignorant chasidim to ruin your blog.
Keep it for the inteligensia of the non chasidic world and some real ivy league harvard or yale types.

מטהר את השרץ said...

Well, chassidic peasant, I'm glad you think so highly of everybody in your cult and their intelligence, but everyone has an equaL right to read, comment, and get creamed.

have aish friends said...

The Rebbe told RNW that it is critical to teach chassidus when being mekarev yiddin. RWN stormed out in protest (according to my snag freinds).

But of course the Rebbe was right. RNW eventually was forced to incorporate chassidus into the curriculum at Aish. They now have shiurim in Tanya and other chassidus.

Hachosid Mibarnovitz said...

Yehupitz
"A few years ago, a Talmid published a sefer called "Meoros HaRambam" which is a full sefer of his biurim and chiddushim on the Rambam's Hakdama to the Yad. It is so malei v'gadush... "
Sorry to tell you, I saw that sefer at BigeleiseI think 6 or 5 years, correct me with the years. I read it thru, since I learned the Hakdomas harambam multiple times. I did not see noting earth shattering in there.
thats only a opinion of a chosid shoteh,(not a shotah of Chazal,Because I would of save a woman from a fire, I mean a real Shotah ) so it does not count much.
We live in a era that we need proof for everything, I did not see that proof yet.I just have to trust people like you that are in awe of him, I would rather keep my reservour of Emuna on other personalities.

Chasidic Peasent said...

Methar es Hasheretz
Gut Gezugt (I believe so, since I am not getting it)
a Frilechen Purim, I will stay in the farm with the Tzig....

מטהר את השרץ said...

Of course you will - your belief in something makes it correct, just like other Loobob-ization. It's and intellectual Disneyworld.

lozmirup said...

am i reading this correctly?
we have a litvak decrying chassidim for believing maasos?
where are the masses of real litvaks attacking kupat ha'ir for making roshei yeshivas into sefardic baabas?
or the money is too good so see no evil? don't u throw up at some of this garbage they print esp before yomim toivim?
RCK shlita, a man whose eyes were glued to seforim for 50 yrs is reduced to some brocha machine?
you're attacking us chassidim, when your imitation is the biggest joke in the frum world today.

מטהר את השרץ said...

Kupat Hair is a joke, and only a Chassid would believe that Litvishe Jewry is represent by a Tzedaka organization. פוסל במומיו פוסל
Vehamayvin Yovin
Re. Seforim, man, the garbage that comes from us is בחזקת garbage, it at least has a הנחה of being garbage. Can['t say the same about you guys
like communists ripping China for being socialists

מטהר את השרץ said...

Look, I'm מודה the great things Chassidim brought to Judaism - warmth, beautiful music, crazy maysos, and Marc Chagall. However, don't show disrespect when a מבקש האמת sees fit to leave.

lozmirup said...

מטהר את השרץ said...
Kupat Hair is a joke, and only a Chassid would believe that Litvishe Jewry is represent by a Tzedaka organization. פוסל במומיו פוסל ...

we all know it's a joke. the question is where are the real, emese litvaks who live the litvishe frum lifestyle of always seeking truth, without hipalus hamidos and the real RY's decrying this emasculation of their gedolim.
this biz has been going on for years and no one says anything.
the only answer i can come up with is hashoichad yi'aver and for a few bucks they sell their soul.

yonah said...

Hachusid mibaranowitz and all your other names,
Did you know that Yehupitz is quite fasmiliar with Chabad and studies it's torah, so he is no "misnaged", he is also a talmid of ner yisroel and knows a lot about the yeshiva and the Weinbergs, so his opinion carriers way more weight than your pidgin English ebonics.
You are a mindless mechila and empty headedam hooretz

Vohliner chusid said...

We understand that u fell out and aish was mekorev you, good for them but u keep ur mouth (key board) closed

kohen godol said...

sheretz,

believing chabad maysos would be mechayev you. you're scared that a true sipur moifes will show that the Rebbe is a tzaddik, making the past rosh yeshiva of ponovezh v'chulu.

i myself had two sipurei moifes with the Rebbe, one clear ruach hakodesh about someone's mistaken name in my family, and one with a real estate deal which the Rebbe said NOT to pursue, and we'll leave it at that...

I also know PERSONALLY two couples who didn't have children for many years and were blessed with zera chaya v'kayama within a year after getting a bracha from the Rebbe.

go to chabad.org and see the weekly "my encounter" stories, first hand encounters of stories people had with the Rebbe.

as your fitting name says, you are metaher es hasheretz (those who are anti-chabad) just as you are attempting to do the opposite...

מטהר את השרץ said...

I didn't make up this name - it is a Mefuresh gemara that you've clearly never seen. Maybe it was the Moifsim keeping you busy.

rebcharles said...

Ess Khato'ay Ani Mazkir HaYoim

I'm ashamed to say that once in a while, in a Ruakh Shtus moment, I read FM.

Dort is ge'shriben tzvei Zakhen vegen RNW, which I would like to see defended here

1. Aish's targeting of rich , yuppie , successful BT's , mostly as a money and power source.

2. Apparently, RNW had significant Sholom Bayis issues, lived apart from his Rebbetzin, was secretive about it, yet continued to Praveh Sholom Bayis Torah.

I would love to be proven wrong, or better yet, for FM to be proven wrong, on both these counts.

Chasidic Peasent said...

Metaher
"I didn't make up this name - it is a Mefuresh gemara that you've clearly never seen."
what a arrogant Dal Gieah !!!!
I was hoping that you go back to your Sheretz hole.... and talk to your peers....but I guess that the echo in your empty site is too strong.

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Reb Charles

I'm not mekabel!

out of towner said...

Yonah
"You are a mindless mechila and empty headedam hooretz"
I am from out of town, and not acquainted with this words
can you please be more specific

duvy said...

Hirshel,
Try not to be like the shoulson douche bag.Since you attended the same shil, you need some extra avoideh not to be mushpa to use the sly remarks that the douche bags uses to spread loshon hora, lies and half truths,especialy on the dead,especially when it can boomerang

kohen gadol said...

excellent answer sheretz.

your powers of analysis are striking.

Alas, you are illiterate.

you should change your name to Navi Sheker" as you think you know what i learned and what i didn't.

i didn't say that you made up the name. unfortunately for you, i did learn eruvin, the source for your fitting name (the sheretz part, that is).

yonah said...

"You are a mindless mechila and empty headedam hooretz"
I am from out of town, and not acquainted with this words"

Generally, to maker it easier for you, it describes the average lubob.
Ok, now?

rebcharles said...

Hirshel

I'm not mekabel that you have problems w FM's credibility.

Double LOL, Le'Kvod Ha'Moaid

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

in his case it's not HIS credibility, it's the commenters that made that claim. I doubt he knew about RNW and his relationship.

rebcharles said...

OK, Hirshel and cohorts, lets get back to the Nidan.

Aymeh li, Gufeh D'Uvdeh Haikh'e Hav'e?

rebcharles said...

Sometimes it seems the only way to get a response around here, is to call someone a "Mechila".

BTW, aside from Geza, the general Oilem doesnt use "Mechila" too often ( at least in anatomic sense), and might not be familiar with that as an insult. Even in Chagas circles, it has fallen into disuse.

Reminds me of my Tzahal nephew, who told us recently, "The army tries to play mind games with you, but that's OK, since I don't understand Hebrew anyway.

TZFASER said...

And what do u say friends about the fact that his son came back to slonim (shvartzah), and lives a chasidish life in yeroshleam....

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

who's son? Reb Noah's? a Slonimer?

TZFASER said...

no the one from baltimore.
a freilichen purim, and all should return to the emes'e shoresh, amen.

rebcharles said...

I think this area needs a blog entry of its own, if not an entire dedicated blog.
All the big Litvishe totakhim who became Khasidishe keilim, all the BNSHK who became Yeshivosi, not to mention all those who fried out, not to mention all the semi-heimish semi-Khasidishe kids who became Torah Vodas Philly Lakewood

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

Reb Charles

throw out another name here. Let's see what we can make of it...

Anonymous said...

r u lookin 4 chilull hashem and loshon hora b'davka

rebcharles said...

for starters:

R Leibele Eiger Z"L
R Chatzkel Z"L

though the above aren't contemporary, there are lots who cross over.

I'm not looking for "shmutz" on people, Farkert, I'm looking for people that think (or who have thought) for themselves, al Derekh Avrom Avinu.

I have a friend who grew up in a Chaim Berlin shtub, became Satmar, became a Zalmoni, yet learns daily in MTJ.

Such people, who are "Noikhel Shtay Oilomes", are very Chikav, at least to me.

Even Lubavitche Ge'Vore'neh

On the other hand, if you think that nobody should not venture beyond the Daled Amos that they were born into, then you belong to the Roiv way of thinking and conformity, and I belong to the Mi'ut.

מטהר את השרץ said...

Ok, you Lubavitch Ameratzim - you guys do not do any form of Kuruv Latora if it is not Kiruv 770 or another form of Shtusim. You wouldn't deny that Lubavitch Shluchim would be unhappy if every one of their Balei teshuvos became Litvaks.
Self serving pricks.

Sheretz Exterminator said...

Hirshel
This Sheretz Guy, is getting ignored, so he is just cursing as a drunken sailor, I thought only simpletons act like that....
Ignoring someone is the worst punishment

מטהר את השרץ said...

Sounds like the Exterminator has been silent/ignored until this point...