Sunday, December 14, 2008

אבד חסיד



הגאון החסיד רבי מנחם מענדל הכהן פעלדמאן ז"ל

HaGaon HaChossid Reb Menachem Mendel HaCohen Feldman z"l

Brother of Yitzchok, father of Pinchos and numerous grandchildren etc. The niftar was a Rov in Baltimore for many decades before emigrating to Sydney Australia to be near his son. Most young Lubavitchers had probably never heard of Reb Mendel Feldman, and most definitely didn't know his brother Yitzchok, Berke Gurary's only friend. Other than Schneur, of course.

The end of an era.

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

A chosuver yid! He was very anti-meshichist

Hirshel Tzig said...

anti-Meshichist? ken nit zein. According to identifying chabad all Chabadskers are closet meshichists. Just like all Jews drink Christian blood for Passover....

Anonymous said...

כמובן, מ'טאר ניט רעדן בגנותו
וכו' און לאו-דוקא כ'האב אלץ על דיוקו של סיפור, אבער מ'זאגט אז דער נפטר איז געווען מאנשי החדב"נ הרש"ג, ולא
נהי' חסיד רבינו זי"ע בכל איבריו במוחש כנראה לעין.

אבער דאס אליין קען מען פארשטיין, ווייל פאר א חסיד פון אן אנדערער דור, איז ניט צו גרינג איבערבייט'ן.. און די וואס האבן יע געביט'ן - הרי תבוא עליהם ברכה.

וכמובן ופשוט: אויב איינער פון די חבר'ה דא קען מוסיף זיין, להעמיד הדברים על דיוקם - מה טוב..

גרייסע חסיד said...

ר' איד
סתם מוציא שם רע זיין אף א שוכן עפר איז קיין סדר ניט

Anonymous said...

anon @ 1220

מתוך גנותו אתה בא לידי שבחו

Anonymous said...

it's sad, these days in ger you're a talmid chochom if you know a chelek of mishna brura

in lubavitch, you're a chusive yid if you're anti-meshichist

גרייסע חסיד said...

anonymous 12:47

מתוך כתיבתך אני בא לידי שטויותך

The fact that somebody who did not know the Rebbe and only knew Rashag was נוטה to the Oldest son-in-law is to be understood. I think the picture here sort of tells us that he wasn't that way later on.

די חידוש איז אבער ווי קומט צו דיר רעדן ווי אן פאלנער אידאט???
נישט דו האסט אים געקענט, און נישט דו האסו געקענט רש"ג'ן, איז סתם צוליב דיין שנאה צו ליובאוויטש רעדסטו ווי א נאר???

Anonymous said...

At a farbregen in Moshe Kotlarski's house during the tkufeh of Didan Notzach (mem zayin), Rav Feldman expressed remorse of the activities of his brother etc., & it was nikar on him that he was torn between his allegiance to the Rebbe & respect to the Rashag (yes, he considered himself a chodid of the Ramash, NOT the Rashag, though he wanted to be diplomatic about it). Although some farhitzte yunger kep starting to tuml etc., the majority gave him full respect & were quite understanding about his predicament. Having said that, it was known to all, even before the parshah of the seforim, that he had skelatons in his closet for not backing the Ramash 100% early on.

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Baruch dayan Ha'emes. Coming on the heels of the last post I bet there will be a big fuss about whether there were hespedim or not.

Arthur said...

I think the problem began when people assumed that he had the same hiskashrus with the Rebbe,or lack thereof,as his brother Itzig who was Barrys best friend.
I knew both of them and nothing could be further from the truth.

Chnyock said...

death! in lubavitch simply doesn't occur. hence the lack for a need to be maspid.

Anonymous said...

The more chassidus gets diluted the more people move on to the next rebbe, because its the pragmatic think to do, you go back to the shul that you left your reading glasses (if you are over 40)when Chassidus was in his hey days and anti pragmatic, most chassidim didnt follow the son 100%

Anonymous said...

>>anti-Meshichist? ken nit zein. According to identifying chabad all Chabadskers are closet meshichists. Just like all Jews drink Christian blood for Passover....

This is not true. Jews do not drink Christian blood for Passover. But many Meshichists explained that antis merely feels its not approrpiae to reveal their true feelings about the rebbe because it can lead him to become even less popular (if that were possible) among other, non Chabad-yet-religious Jews.

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Shut up. A yid just died and Hershel is trying to be maspid kdin here because they don't at the levaya.חמור בן אלף why do you have to bash a whole segment of Judaism now? I don't know much about the politics, but out of derech eretz I'm waiting to ask at least until the corpse cools off. Some people dont stop for anything.

Anonymous said...

After the language you employed in the above post, I marvel at your nerve to demand derech eretz. Tzig made an inappropriate comparison, and he was brought to task for it. That's all that happened. You don't like it? You know where to go.

Hirshel Tzig said...

what comparison did I make??

Friendly Anonymous said...

I thought that the reason the "big kano'im" didn't like him was because he retained a connection to the friediker rebbe and his rebetzin, rather than because he was mekushar to the Rashag.

He isn't the only eltere chosid that the "greyse mekushorim" ridiculed because of a perceived deficiency in his hiskashrus to the Rebbe.

Anonymous said...

I referred to the comparison between anti meshichisten concealing their views concerning the rebbe being moshiach and a blood libel.

Hirshel Tzig said...

and I referred to the book Identifying Chabad, which sounds like a neo-Nazi website telling its readers what Jews really believe, and what they're telling you is just a charade.

Anonymous said...

. . .but this information which is corroborated by independent sources. What is the comparison?

Hirshel Tzig said...

independent sources?

Anonymous said...

meshichist, for example. . . .

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

OK sorry about the language, it's a bad day. But what I said still stands, it just applies to me too. :)

schneur said...

A starker mekusher never misses the opportunity to knock the Rashbag A"H.Kach hi darko shel Chabad dehaidna.
You certainly did not know the Rashbag because his name was not Berke but Bere.
Just for the record BSG left the community of Lubavitch and had many friends in the new community he chose to live in.
Finally there were a number of Anash living in Kaan Ziva Hashem es habrocha who retained stealth friendships with BSG even ((maybe davka ...) during the Book trial. I do not wish to embaress their children by naming them.

Hirshel Tzig said...

Schneur

במו אוזניי שמעתי chassidim of that generation, who were not "shtarke mekushorim," refer to him as "Berke." I don't doubt what you're saying, just repeating what I heard. Maybe Beis HoRav had a different name for him than did the Hameyn?

I was referring to friends in Chabad, and until 1950 too, not after. Even back then he had no friends other than Itzik Feldman.

As far as having later on, I do not know, but the fact that there was a very thin crowd at the levaya does say something...

I did not intend for this to become a discussion on BSG, as you so lovingly refer to him.

GUT YOM TOV!!!

Anonymous said...

I farbrenged a number of times with RMF a"h when he lived in Baltimore. We got into heated arguments about dor shvi'ii, mivtzoim etc. He was a very learned in niglah and chassidus, and very intelligent. But I gotta laugh when he is described as a shliach, mekushar, etc. He definitely was a chossid of the Rebbe and made not bones about it. But he never accepted the hafotzah aspect and never got on the dor shivi train. BTW, I was with him in 1985 when the BG story erupted. He spent major koiches (with the Rebbe's encouragement) to resolve it quitely, using his brother the menuval as the go-between. He definitely did not think of the Rashag as Rebbe material, and was unfairly tagged by some chassidim as a nifrad.

Arthur said...

Just as an aside I woild like correct one fact.In addition To Itzig Feldman Barry did have one more freind in Lubavitch.That freind was his yet to be wife at that time,MH.
Etched visibly in my mind is the memory of my childhood whem Barry and MH were the neturei karta who guarded the two doorways leading into the Frierdike Rebbes apartment on the second fllor of 770 on the rare occasion when The RAYT"Z used to farbreng.Being on the inside I often saw their "ahavas Yisroel.The Bocurim at tha time would stand on both stairwells waiting for the doorway to open on the chance that they could get in.The greatest Joy for the two of them was to open the door just enough for someone to get their arn in and slam the door on the poor indiviuals hand.

Anonymous said...

What about the fact that MMF made a special trip to be at Chana G. funeral?

schneur said...

BSG told me many times that his grandfather The Rayaatz called him Bere (which was a distinctive White Russian dimunative like Avreme, Mulle, Bore, Mote etc lost in the new eruv rav of Lubavitch) And that those who called him Berke did not know him !
I am not sure why anyone here discusses the hiskashrus of Rabbi Feldman to the 7th rebbe, there were much greater chassidim in Eretz israel and the US who had little such hiskashrus. And it wasa public matter admitted to even by mekusharim. Finally if accroding to you no body supported the Rashag as Rebbe , who were his supporters ? Was it just the Royal family against ALL the chassidim especially the gedolei and ziknei hachassidim (as the Rachal refered to them) who were recruited to the movement by rabbi Jacobson in Brownsville in the 1930's.
In truth all the Rashag's supporters quickly saw the light and backed the winner as is usually the case in such things.

Anonymous said...

Arthur, how did it happan that you were on the inside? Are you related to Bais HaRav or your father brought you in somehow?

BTW Schneur I definitley heard Ziknei Anash who were Bachurim or Yungeleit in that Tekufah and they got along fine with BG refer to him as Berke. But then again, we're talking fifty sixty years later so Lav Davka someone would remember Genoi...

Also, rarely would Bachurim or Yungeleit even see the Frierdiker Rebbe (except in a Yechidus or once in a while if they got in to a Fabrengen)at all so how many people already would have heard how the Rayaat called him?

Arthur said...

"Arthur, how did it happen that you were on the inside? Are you related to Bais HaRav or your father brought you in somehow?"
My father was a big mekusher to the RAYT"Z and was a ben bayis by the RASHA"B.There were only two little kids in 770 in those years and I was one of them.I really have said to much already.I don't wanna give away my identity.

burech said...

Arthur
*Think* before you write.
You write nastily about someone who is deceased but what you really do is write nasty on the grandad.I hope you realize that nasty about grandchild=nasty about grandfather.
Kinda cutting off your nose to spite your face

Arthur said...

Burech you said
"You write nastily about someone who is deceased but what you really do is write nasty on the grandad"
Following your train of "logic" when the Rebbe spoke "nasty" about his nephew during the sforim issue he was speaking "nasty" about his shver.

Anonymous said...

All Arthur knows is hate and writing in a nasty manner. He cannot help himself--this is who he is.

Arthur said...

"All Arthur knows is hate and writing in a nasty manner. He cannot help himself--this is who he is."
Of course.I learned it during the years I spent in a misnagdishe yeshiva.

Michoel said...

Hmm. I seem to remember that about 6 months ago Arthur was very proudly stating that he "only learned in Lubavith yeshivos".

Arthur said...

"I seem to remember that about 6 months ago Arthur was very proudly stating that he "only learned in Lubavith yeshivos".
I now have to remorsefully admit to the bitter truth.There was a period of two years that I learned in (gasp) Ponovitch and my Rosh hayishiva was none other then the master of "Achdus" and "ahavas Yisroel".
Wow, Michoel I feel so "flattered" that you remember the exact words I used six months ago.Phenomenal.

Michoel said...

Arthur,
I believed you before but I do not believe you now.

Arthur said...

Michoel
Believe whatever you will.No skin of my back.

Shmuly said...

Arthur
Do you really learn in Ponoviz or u r pulling the snags leg?

Arthur said...

Shmuly
Es chatoai ani mazkir hayom.I really did.

shmuly said...

How was it in Ponovizh?
At the time, if I understand your age group more or less, you mentioned that you were around the FR in the 40's,there were quite a few Lubavitchers, no?
Names I've heard were the Landau bro's,Goldschmid, don't recall any other now.
Care to tell us a bit of history?
Did you hear shiur from Rav Shach? From R'Shmuel?
Please answer

Arthur said...

Shmuly
Es chatoai ani mazkir is only hayom.One time.I think that I've revealed to much of my past and myself on this chain of posts.Maybe one day....

An Ailmesher said...

Schneur,

I remember the Rasha"g from the 60's and he definitely did not seem like Rebbe material. He smelled from perfume Shabbos morning, had a nice "chup" and during his shelishi aliya would look all around the bais hamedresh instead of looking the sefer torah. How could anyone ever think of making him Rebbe, especially in comparison to the Rama"sh. Did the Rasha"g change?

An Ailemesher said...

Hirshel,

I proved on this very blog that every Lubavitcher is a moshichist. (Except for R. Heller (who's really a brisker), Mondschein and R. Yoel these days) Every Lubab believes that the Rebbe is moshiach. The only difference between the moshichsten and the anti-moshiachsten is whether to publicize the fact or to whisper it quietly.

In case you forgot, I'll prove it again. Let you and any other Lubavitcher proclaim here and now that the Rebbe is NOT mochiach. I wait for a response.

Anonymous said...

Ailimisher

what do we know? How can we be sure it's not the Rebbe?!

Arthur said...

"Ailimisher

what do we know? How can we be sure it's not the Rebbe?!"
Well put but I would phrase it differently.Just as it is the highest form of audacity to claim with certainty who Moshiach is,it is the highest form of audacity to claim with a certainty who he is not.

Milhouse said...

Well, I can't say with absolute certainty that Moshiach won't be Bibi Netanyahu, or the founding Rosh Yeshivah of Lakewood, and yet I'd be astounded if either one turned out to be him. Nor do I expect him to be Bar Kochva, or Rebbi, or Doniyel, or Dovid himself. Nor the Bes Yosef, the Rambam, the Baal Shem Tov, or the Alter Rebbe. And I don't think it's audacious to say so.

I don't know anything with absolute certainty, but I expect that Moshiach is someone who is alive today, quite likely not a chossid (remember the Alter Rebbe said Moshiach would be a misnaged, so that everyone would accept him), quite likely a uniformed member of Tzahal (qualified to fight Hashem's wars and win them).

Effi Eitam???? I'm only 9/10 joking!