Thursday, November 21, 2013

יארצייט - כ"ק אדמו"ר הרה"ק יוסף יצחק שניאורסאהן מאוורוטש זצוקללה"ה


I'm gonna throw this out there and see if it sticks. Today is the Yohrtzeit of RYY of Avrutch, grandfather and namesake of the Frierdige Rebbe and son of the Tzemach Tzedek. He was married to Chana, daughter of Rav Yaakov Yisroel of Tcherkas and, you might say, defied his father and went to accept a rabbonus and a derech against his father's wishes. He became a Rebbe b'derech Tchernobel. Chabad-Lubavitch archives, publicized, via their FB page, a picture some time ago that has an inscription that reads "Itzhak-Joseph Shneerson." Can it be that the picture is either of the Avrutcher or his son Reb Nochem Dov? Here are the תולדות of the Avrutcher from Heichel HaBesht. באדיבות קובץ היכל הבעש"ט
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15 comments:

Not a Harry said...

חבל דאבדין
It is quite an interesting life story.

Reb Hirsh said...

You have to love the story of the grandchild and the Tzemach Tzedek.

Blew my mind !

And it works well with another story about the Tzemach Tzedek receiving a brocho from the Alter Rebbe for hatzlocho in limud hatorah.

schneur said...

The picture has no resemblance to any of the portraits of Schneersohns we have and know are authentic. He does not look the ZZ or the Rashab or the Raza or Reb Mendel or the Rayaatz or the Bobroisker or his son Reb Mendel Schneersohn or for that matter BSG.
Even Reb Baruch Shimon looks like them but not like the person in the picture and he was an eynikel ben acher ben of the Avratcher.
So I for one doubt this is a portrait of a Schneersohn of the 1st or 2nd generation from the ZZ Zarich Iyun where was this found can you reproduce the inscription.

Anonymous said...

Thank you tzig It is for such post that I go on your website

observer said...

The Tzemach Tzedak in the letter, on reb Aron Chernobler calls him constantly Harav Hagoan,
He was not famous for nigleh.
It seems that he did not like this whole Rebbe industry ....

Observer said...

Is there some chasidus left from him?
it seems from the HM biography, that he did say some Chasidus to some exclusive chasidim, who were capable...

Anonymous said...

so after the tchikaser left horinsteifel
he left the vaahalin region for the avrutcher
so there was no rebbe at that time in horinsteifel ?
and what about the tchikaser's other sons, im assuming they became rebbes and are the continuation of horensteifel chassidus where did they live?

schneur said...

Besides having the zechus to have the last 3 nesi Chabad as his children etc. he also has the zechus to be the only son(excluding the Rabash who was not a Rebbe) of the ZZ who has grandchildren ben acher ben to be marbitzei Torah in contemporary times namely the children of rav Baruch Shimon Schneersohn in Jslm and elsewhere.
Its interesting to note that davka the 2 sons of the ZZ who were not rebbes in the Chabad sense (or in any sense) have ben acher ben desc today who are involved in Chasidic life.

Anonymous said...

how can they have a photograph?

observer said...

Shneur
who is the 2nd son?

observer said...

Anon
"and what about the tchikaser's other sons, im assuming they became rebbes and are the continuation of horensteifel chassidus where did they live?"
The memalie mokam of the cherkasser, was the Reb MD of hornistipel..
and all the Milwaukee family stem from him.

Anonymous said...

I just read that the miteler rebbe's son married the thkasers daughter (his niece) and his son although his last name was really shneurson called himself twesky and was also a thcherbabol style rebbe
P.s. the styplers father was a chosid of his and hence Thats where he got his name from stypler
And the stypler himself was named after the tchikaser

Melamed Dedardeke said...

Anon
You are talking narishkieten,
get back to kindergarten

Anonymous said...

האם גליוני היכל הבעש"ט זמינים ברשת

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

לא יודע אם זמינים, אפשר לשלוח מייל להיכל מנחם מונסי ולבקשם