ס'איז גוט צו זעהן אז די מערכה גייט נאך אהן מיט'ן פולן קנאק. אז דער נעקסטע דור איז גרייט ווייטער ממשיך צו זיין די מלחמת קודש. אז לא אלמן ישראל. אז דאס העפעלע ערליכע אידן וועט ווייטער אויך האבען א קיום. אז אין די חדרים לערנט מען שוין פון קינדווייז אהן די ריכטיגע השקפה. דער "בחינה" איז כמים קרה על נפש עייפה כפשוטו ממש.
חשוב'ע ארונים: איר דארפט זיך נישט פילן שלעכט. לויט ווי איך פארשטיי איז די בחינה נישט פון אייער צד, נאר פון די צד שכנגד.
83 comments:
I would assume the answer to "ches" would be: "Di Libavitcher apikursim!"
what do you think because you changed direction the train stopped in its track?
your children will be more ashamed of the Lubavitcher supremacy and the Hertzl courtship then my children will be with a defunct Herltzlshtat but an uncompromisable WAIT for Mushiach Tzidkeini
hirshel: חשוב'ע ארונים: איר דארפט זיך נישט פילן שלעכט. לויט ווי איך פארשטיי איז די בחינה נישט פון אייער צד, נאר פון די צד שכנגד
Wishful thinking, both fraction are 100% with the shita of SR z"l, their fights are semantics and of course מי בּראש
It may be wishful thinking, but the Aronim are probably saying that they don't teach this as part of the curriculum in cheder...
יג) לדעתי איז אסור צי גיין צום כותל ביז משיח וועט קומען
he did say twice 'l'dati' as per nuso torah tape.
"Aronim are probably saying that they don't teach this as part of the curriculum in cheder..."
I have seen a booklet give to 'all' cheder boys of the aroinim school for the 21 kislev celebration this little test is way shy of their teachings regards the medina.
that the aroinim are lax on the strict satmar ruvs shita is false propoganda from the other side, to scare off their followers not to crossover dont fall for it היהפּוך כּושׁי את עורי
why are they Sartmars so proud of this Nusoi nonsense,they should of along time ago put it in Shiemois, it was alot of nonsense sputtered at the heat of the moment.
All gedolie yisroel were against him, and all his pessimistic prophecies on the future of Isreal and the future of all Klal Yisroel who are carrying on their responsibilities in the state Israel, has shown as no substance.His had a belief that whatever he decided is Toras Emes and nobody will tell him different.
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"whatever he decided is Toras Emes and nobody will tell him different. "
Now thats toras emes!
Anon said: "had a belief that whatever he decided is Toras Emes and nobody will tell him different. "
atleast he puts his name to his believe not just an ANON!
"All gedolie yisroel were against him"
there are 100's if not 1000's of exegesis (toras) written by SR z"l explaining his shita from ש״ס ופּוסקים would you advice me of where i can see the shita explained from ש״ס ופּוסקים (not just statements) from the "All gedolie yisroel were against him" (in your words) why and with what explaination not just statements they are against him!
תורה הוא ונלמד אני צריך
anon: "they should of along time ago put it in Shiemois"
Was there a new torah written and given to klal yisruel after 1948
that I'm not aware of? if yes i wasn't there and i didn't except it neither was my father, so i must stick with the old and original one! which is in my bookcase not in the 'Shiemois' yet.
this so called "kanuhas" is a direct result from belz, yes i said belz, that tiny village located near the big city of lemberg (lvov), famous for its dirt swampy and muddy roads. the satmer rebbi took the pathway of ruv there, known as rebi yisacher ber rokeach, belz of today go hand in hand with the apikorsim, but satmer rebbi did not fall for their money and held on tight.
what we see today is satmer is not as much the "shita" its to show to the other who is the bigger `lochem`. each side took the `shita` as part of their PR campain.
how holy was the bobov rebbi who knew how to tread water, so not to screw up the chinuch of the kids in his mosodos. yet at the same time spoke very against the zionist movement, listen to the tape when the bes din was in his house 1988.
and so did he teach his sons as well.
It's called indoctrinating the young. Satmar does it. Lubavitch does it and I imagine others do as well. The Bolsheviks,lehavdil,did it. The Scientologists do it.The Evangelicals do it. It's a rachmones on the kinderlech who trust their adult teachers to tell them the truth.It's a form of intellectual child abuse. When the child grows up and figures it out he's fed up with Satmar and Orthodoxy.He realizes he's been lied to his whole life.He ends up thinking that Toras Moshe is the same as the Nosso toirehs.What a shame...
"how holy was the bobov rebbi who knew how to tread water"
could he walk on water to ?
Winslow said... "It's called indoctrinating the young. Satmar does it. Lubavitch does it and I imagine others do as well. The Bolsheviks,lehavdil,did it. The Scientologists do it.The Evangelicals do it"
You forgot to mention the zionist in their 'kibutzim' 'hashomer hatzuir' 'chinuc mamlacti' 'chinuc atzmui' DO IT! oh and i wonder WHO DID TO YOU?
Anon
"there are 100's if not 1000's of exegesis (toras) written by SR z"l explaining his shita from ש״ס ופּוסקים on"
the more he writes the more you realize that his newfound religion is not based on poskim,there are no Rif,Rambam,Shulchan Orech, Chaya Odem,Derech Chaim, Mishnah Berura out there that quote the 3 oaths as Halacha,
Anon
"Was there a new torah written and given to klal yisruel after 1948"
you are correct there was no new torah written in 48 and no new torah after 60(year the Veyoel was published).
i sometimes have to admire bobov chusid shoteh always manages to connect his poking fun of belz and how big tzadik bobov rebbi is, regardless what the article is, but this time he did a bad job on the bobov part.
tzig, i think i should change his pen name to "tzig chusid", he learns all your chdushim.
"You forgot to mention the zionist in their 'kibutzim' 'hashomer hatzuir' 'chinuc mamlacti' 'chinuc atzmui' DO IT! oh and i wonder WHO DID TO YOU?"
How can you compare chinuch mamlachti to Satmar indoctrination centers? Chinuch mamlachti is similar to American public schools. There is free discussion of issues by students and teachers. It isn't run by fanatical believers of any sort just as the US public schools. They are secular and not religious but plenty of kids from traditional homes go there.You can criticize Ben Gurion,Netanyahu, and Israeli foreign policy in chinuch mamlachti. You cannot criticize SR and the "shitte" in Sakmer school system.If you do you need a new school.This is why Sakmer is similar to Scientology and other cults. Big ,big difference between education and indoctrination.
Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:29:00 AM said: “How can you compare chinuch to Satmar indoctrination centers? Chinuch mamlachti is similar to mamlachti American public schools” WELL SAID IT’S JUST LIKE AN AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOL WHICH INDOCTRINATES YOUNG KIDS TO A LIFE OF מינות וכפירה וחיי הפכריות רח״ל EXCEPT ITS RUN BY JEWS FOR JEWS
JUST LIKE IN THEIR KIBUTZIM.
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:32:00 PM said: “you are correct there was no new torah written in 48 and no new torah after 60(year the Veyoel was published)”
I CHALLENGE YOU TO QUOTE ONE NEW HALACHA IN V’YOEL MOSHE, THE MERE FACT THAT AFTER 60 YEARS IN PRINT IT DOESN’T FAIL TO AROUSE A STORM IN THE WHOLE JEWISH WORLD CHEREIDIM AND OTHERWISE SHOWS THAT ‘MISSION ACCOMPLISHED’זאת התורה לא תהא מוחלפת
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:28:00 PM said: “that his newfound religion is not based on poskim,there are no Rif,Rambam,Shulchan Orech, Chaya Odem,Derech Chaim, Mishnah Berura out there that quote the 3 oaths as Halacha” THE RAMBAM IN איגרת תימן DOES MENTION IT IN LENGTH. HOWEVER, IS THE ‘CHOIV KODUSH’ FROM YOUR REBBES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ELECTIONS MENTIONED IN RAMBAM ETC.. OR THEIR ISSUR ON CELL PHONES, OR THEIR DIRECTIVES TO VOTE FOR ONE RELIGIOUS PARTY AND NOT THE OTHER, I’ll GO ON.. BUT I ASSUME IN THE END כ״ש דפכר טפי
QUESTION: BESIDES THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE 3 OATS, 1000’s OF ISSUREI D’OREISE THAT YOUR COUNTRY ISRAEL ARE עובר DAILY WHICH IS MENTIONED IN
“Rambam,Shulchan Orech, Chaya Odem,Derech Chaim, Mishnah Berura” AS A DIRECT RESULT FROM THEIR LAWS AND IMPLEMETATIONS, DO YOU THINK THEY CONSULTED ANY ‘HALACHA’ AUTHORITIES ON THAT? OR DO YOU THINK HERZEL AND BENGURION CHECKED ON THE מגילת עצמות BEFORE SIGNING ON ON THE
Finaly: is their any halacha sefer written on הלכות טפשׁות ?
Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:29:00 AM said: “How can you compare chinuch to Satmar indoctrination centers? Chinuch mamlachti is similar to mamlachti American public schools” WELL SAID IT’S JUST LIKE AN AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOL WHICH INDOCTRINATES YOUNG KIDS TO A LIFE OF מינות וכפירה וחיי הפכריות רח״ל EXCEPT ITS RUN BY JEWS FOR JEWS
JUST LIKE IN THEIR KIBUTZIM.
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:32:00 PM said: “you are correct there was no new torah written in 48 and no new torah after 60(year the Veyoel was published)”
I CHALLENGE YOU TO QUOTE ONE NEW HALACHA IN V’YOEL MOSHE, THE MERE FACT THAT AFTER 60 YEARS IN PRINT IT DOESN’T FAIL TO AROUSE A STORM IN THE WHOLE JEWISH WORLD CHEREIDIM AND OTHERWISE SHOWS THAT ‘MISSION ACCOMPLISHED’זאת התורה לא תהא מוחלפת
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:28:00 PM said: “that his newfound religion is not based on poskim,there are no Rif,Rambam,Shulchan Orech, Chaya Odem,Derech Chaim, Mishnah Berura out there that quote the 3 oaths as Halacha” THE RAMBAM IN איגרת תימן DOES MENTION IT IN LENGTH. HOWEVER, IS THE ‘CHOIV KODUSH’ FROM YOUR REBBES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ELECTIONS MENTIONED IN RAMBAM ETC.. OR THEIR ISSUR ON CELL PHONES, OR THEIR DIRECTIVES TO VOTE FOR ONE RELIGIOUS PARTY AND NOT THE OTHER, I’ll GO ON.. BUT I ASSUME IN THE END כ״ש דפכר טפי
QUESTION: BESIDES THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE 3 OATS, 1000’s OF ISSUREI D’OREISE THAT YOUR COUNTRY ISRAEL ARE עובר DAILY WHICH IS MENTIONED IN
“Rambam,Shulchan Orech, Chaya Odem,Derech Chaim, Mishnah Berura” AS A DIRECT RESULT FROM THEIR LAWS AND IMPLEMETATIONS, DO YOU THINK THEY CONSULTED ANY ‘HALACHA’ AUTHORITIES ON THAT? OR DO YOU THINK HERZEL AND BENGURION CHECKED ON THE מועצגדה״ת BEFORE SIGNING ON THE מגילת עצמות
Finaly: is their any halacha sefer written on הלכות טפשׁות ?
Q. does anyone know since the massacare of 'chevron' until 'today' how many yidin where wonded and dead on the alter of israeli Nationalisim, and when is enough enough? is it ok when its someone elses children, or does have to be our own?
Anon:10:51It always amazes me that such a strong believer in the shitte would even dream of going on the internet. The SR was not only a fiery opponent of Zionism but also uncompromising in matters of sexual purity and shemiras habris.The greatest tzaddikim didn't trust themselves in these matters and you visit the internet glat azei?I ask the same question of the Natruna people. If you wear a flache hut with lange peyes and your wife has a geshorene kop,then what are you doing on the internet?Velo sosuru doesn't apply on-line?Besides the erotic element,maybe if you read enough comments you'll be moishech after tziyonus. After all it happened to Pappenheim,Meshi-Zahav,and Elbaum already.Maybe you'll read Winslow"s comments and become a Tziyoni R'L?!
Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:05:00 PM said: “Velo sosuru doesn't apply on-line?” “maybe if you read enough comments you'll be moishech after tziyonus”
טול קורה מבּין עיניך ־ קשׁוט עצמך ואח״כ קשׁוט אחירים
Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:05:00 PM said: “After all it happened to Pappenheim,Meshi-Zahav,and Elbaum already”
Do you really think they became ‘zionim’ from your and the likes weak.. inuenndo ‘comments’? the internet (belz) variety ones, or is it the comment of the $tronger one$ ??
anon
"Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:32:00 PM said: “you are correct there was no new torah written in 48 and no new torah after 60(year the Veyoel was published)”
I CHALLENGE YOU TO QUOTE ONE NEW HALACHA IN V’YOEL MOSHE, THE MERE FACT THAT AFTER 60 YEARS IN PRINT IT DOESN’T FAIL TO AROUSE A STORM IN THE WHOLE JEWISH WORLD CHEREIDIM AND OTHERWISE SHOWS THAT ‘MISSION ACCOMPLISHED’זאת התורה לא תהא מוחלפת"
to make the whole Klal Yisroel into kofrim based on a agadata is a new torah,
you take the whole torah of Bie Odem Lechavario into obsolete, since they are Kofrim. Half of Torah is in the trash bin....
anon
"that his newfound religion is not based on poskim,there are no Rif,Rambam,Shulchan Orech, Chaya Odem,Derech Chaim, Mishnah Berura out there that quote the 3 oaths as Halacha” THE RAMBAM IN איגרת תימן DOES MENTION IT IN LENGTH. HOWEVER, IS THE ‘CHOIV KODUSH’ FROM YOUR REBBES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ELECTIONS MENTIONED IN RAMBAM ETC.. OR THEIR ISSUR ON CELL PHONES, OR THEIR DIRECTIVES TO VOTE FOR ONE RELIGIOUS PARTY AND NOT THE OTHER, I’ll GO ON.. BUT I ASSUME IN THE END כ״ש דפכר טפי"
first of all learn to spell loshon kodesh, it is the most important word in your lingo (Koifer)and you cant spell it.
you are making you and your Rebbe in to a laughing stock, I am asking Halacha and you answer Letter of Yemen...
Your knowledge of Yiddishkiet and its Halachic system is very weak, it seems that I am conversing with Palestinian masquerading as a Satmarer
Anon
"QUESTION: BESIDES THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE 3 OATS, 1000’s OF ISSUREI D’OREISE THAT YOUR COUNTRY ISRAEL ARE עובר DAILY WHICH IS MENTIONED IN
“Rambam,Shulchan Orech, Chaya Odem,Derech Chaim, Mishnah Berura” AS A DIRECT RESULT FROM THEIR LAWS AND IMPLEMETATIONS, DO YOU THINK THEY CONSULTED ANY ‘HALACHA’ AUTHORITIES ON THAT? OR DO YOU THINK HERZEL AND BENGURION CHECKED ON THE מגילת עצמות BEFORE SIGNING ON ON THE"
Correct, this is all in Halacha, but where does that pertain to all the frum Jews in Israel?
They are all medakdek Kala Kebachamura on the shulchan orech(but not Igereth Yemen)as Reb YM Friedman,Reb ZL Fulop,the new Payer ruv
Anon
"Finaly: is their any halacha sefer written on הלכות טפשׁות ?"
good question?
can you give a hint?
Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:05:00 PM said:
“The SR was not only a fiery opponent of Zionism but also uncompromising in matters of sexual purity and shemiras habris”
הודה ובוש ולא תתורו אחרי לבבכם (זו מינות) ואחרי עיניכם (זו זנות)
are said in one sentence and you cant compromise on either one, however one those not negate the other, its obvious you are aware of one but in denial of the other
Anonymous said...
Anon
"Finaly: is their any halacha sefer written on הלכות טפשׁות ?"
good question?
can you give a hint?
READ YOUR COMMENTS.
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:10:00 PM said: “first of all learn to spell loshon kodesh” “Halacha and you answer Letter of Yemen” “Your knowledge of Yiddishkiet and its Halachic system is very weak”
Besides misspellings and innuendoes, what else can you add to this conversation?
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:14:00 PM said: “Correct, this is all in Halacha, but where does that pertain to all the frum Jews in Israel?”
Your’e שׁואל שׁלא בּענין
Anon
"HOWEVER, IS THE ‘CHOIV KODUSH’ FROM YOUR REBBES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ELECTIONS MENTIONED IN RAMBAM ETC.. OR THEIR ISSUR ON CELL PHONES, OR THEIR DIRECTIVES TO VOTE FOR ONE RELIGIOUS PARTY AND NOT THE OTHER, I’ll GO ON."
I will explain you every thing if you are ready to listen?
but you believe that there is a chiuv for a othodox jew to listen to his ruv? Yes or no? is it Loi sosir or Kechoil asher yoricho?
Does a ruv have to pasken and lead his kehila according his vision?
All Gedolim in Israel from all factions, Talmidie Chasam Sofer as the Pressburgher ruv, Reb Yosef Naftuli Stern, Erlauer ruv, to the Belzer Ruv, Chebiner rRv, Ponovizher Ruv, all the Gerer Rebbes etc.. realized that the only way to save (or to rebuilt)Torah and yiddishkiet was thru getting people in the Parliment,so they wrote to all thier costituents that are obligated to listen to them that they should participate, and they did follow their call, and they rebuilt the greatest Am Yisroel in Eretz Hakodesh.
So I am asking you was it a choiv Kodesh that brought massive Kedusha to the Am Kudesh that live in Eretz Hakodesh?
Did they do the outmost to stop the Kefira train of Hertzel or Ben Gurion?
Anon
"READ YOUR COMMENTS."
gevaldige answer
Anon
"Your’e שׁואל שׁלא בּענין"
Gevaldig answer #2
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:10:00 PM said: “, I am asking Halacha and you answer Letter of Yemen...”
making fun of the rambam (yemen) will not cut it, I’m sorry if youre intentions where asking me an ‘halacha question’ – I’m trying here on the net – to have a civilized discussion not an halachic discorse, the halach on this subject is well explained in many seforim not the least in v’yoel moshe, its free for all, from your comments its obvious that you have no clue of the halachic issues on this calamity called ‘israel’ however, I’ll caution you don’t read it if your intention is לקנתר because כ״ש דפכר טפי
Anon
""Finaly: is their any halacha sefer written on הלכות טפשׁות ?"
is every one that disagree with the holy shitah a Tippesh?
or it is me the problem?
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:52:00 PM said: “is every one that disagree with the holy shitah a Tippesh? or it is me the problem?” that comment made pertains to the one asked! Are you a tipish? Ask your doc.
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:41:00 PM asked: “but do you believe that there is a chiuv for a othodox jew to listen to his ruv? Yes or no?” YES AND NO! he cant’t negate not one word of the torah, and certainly without a written responsa and a pilpul between other talmedei chacucem defining from where he comes from כדרכו של תורה Statements are not enough!
“Does a ruv have to pasken and lead his kehila according his vision?” YES AND NO!
not if his vision is the same as the frie yidden have and his vision is in contrary to the tora mekibal from previous generations.
“All Gedolim in Israel from all factions-- they wrote to all thier costituents that are obligated to listen to them that they should participate, and they did follow their call” PARTY LINE CALL? Most rabbunim you mentioned belonged to one religious party or the other! Or where batlunim enough to believe the going propoganda of the day.
“So I am asking you was it a choiv Kodesh that brought massive Kedusha to the Am Kudesh that live in Eretz Hakodesh?” HELL NO! in the times of the nevioum there was only 300 who didn’t commit to the idols! (although they where mostly frum) it happened than it can certainly happen today!
In the times of reb moshe feinstein and SR z”l there was an written halachic discorse back on fort on the issue of artaficial insemination.. every responsa written SR answered and vis-a-versa why on this MAJOR subject all your gedolim mentioned didn’t find it valid enough to answer ‘in writing’ on his opinions! Written with a genuine daas torah and with blood of his heart! (there was no self in it) Wasn’t he gedol enough for them?? They wrote many responses on trivial topics to regular people! Why not to him?? Please answer me! Why did they left a whole generation of ‘there followers’ in the blind??
ילמדנו רבּינו
Anon
"he cant’t negate not one word of the torah, and certainly without a written responsa and a pilpul between other talmedei chacucem defining from where he comes from כדרכו של תורה Statements are not enough!"
I don't think that a ruv has a obligation to write a teshuvah, no such a halacha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Ruv will answer if he is approached with slogans of non halachic heresy slogans, it is baseless and juvenile even to discuss.
Anon
"not if his vision is the same as the frie yidden have and his vision is in contrary to the tora mekibal from previous generations."
Did the Frie Yiden want that in the Keneseth should be 30 MK's shomrie torah and fight for the torah vision to spread in Israel?
Do the Frie Yidden want to give funds to the torah jews or they are forced by the charadie MK,s and they malign the Charadie MK's on a daily basis?
Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:47:00 PM said:
"it is baseless and juvenile even to discuss."
Therfore I'll not discussing with you..
Anon
"not if his vision is the same as the frie yidden have and his vision is in contrary to the tora mekibal from previous generations."
obviously the Pressburger ruv(who was no fool and Batlan as you Apikorsim try to label everyone that does not follow your cocky shitah) held different then you and Gelbman, that it is the Derech of his greatparents to fight Frie Yideen,
He has no right do disagree?
He was the Rabon Shel hagoleh in Hungary Slovakia and the Rav Rabonan, he wrote beautiful teshuvah seforim and chidushim, it is all more solid the the torah of the baal veyoel moshe.
He was not supposed to reply to some Agadatta based issur.He had a uncle Reb Shimon Sofer the Son of the CS that was a MK in Poland to fight the maskilim and socialists etc...Obviously he held that it is the same situation as in Modern Israel...
He did not need that RJT should give him instructions in his leadership style...
Anon
"Therfore I'll not discussing with you.."
are you saying that we are done?
I am waiting for that...
"No Ruv will answer if he is approached with slogans of non halachic heresy slogans"
Is the v'yoel moshe full of baseless and heresy slogans, really?
Anon
"HELL NO! in the times of the nevioum there was only 300 who didn’t commit to the idols! (although they where mostly frum) it happened than it can certainly happen today!"
is there idol worshiping in the Mirer Yeshivah? Ponovizh? Grodna?
is it a cow? budda?
can you describe the physical features of that Avoda zora,
Anon
"every responsa written SR answered and vis-a-versa why on this MAJOR subject all your gedolim mentioned didn’t find it valid enough to answer ‘in writing’ on his opinions! Written with a genuine daas torah"
you asked a very valid question
It was a halachic argument and it had to be answered in a halachic manner,
The same Reb Moshe Fienstien that answered the toughest questions,was all for the Choiv Kodesh, big proponent of the path that all Gedolim (batlunim in you apikorsish lingo)in Eretz Yisroel took,and he did not commit a few minutes to answer for the the Veyoel Moshe.
Why, because Ein Lemadin Halacha Mitoch Agada,It is not only me that is saying that, the SR himself is struggling with that problem in his magnum opus.
Anon
"Is the v'yoel moshe full of baseless and heresy slogans, really?"
I will make my self clearer that the Veyoel Moshe is full of statements(it is actually the base of the sefer) that make all gedolie yisroel( out of the Payer and the Sharmasher) into Apikorsim, ( the best title he gives them is Achov Harasha that he works up as a tzadik)
"can you describe the physical features of that Avoda zora"
you say 3 times a day ...וכל המינים כרגע יאבדו... you describe me their 'physical features'?
Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:25:00 PM said:
"I will make my self clearer that the Veyoel Moshe is full of statements"
מלתא דעבודי לגלוי׳ לא משקרא אנשי
I guess doesn't apply to you.
Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:15:00 PM said: “he did not commit a few minutes to answer for the the Veyoel Moshe. Why, because Ein Lemadin Halacha Mitoch
Agada” מלתא דעבודי לגלוי׳ לא משקרא אנשי
the 3 oats are not an hagadah its mentioned in rambam eigros teiman, and in lenghth by the mahara”l among others.. why because at that times it was a valid question, but rarely was it a valid question in our long diaspora therfore few are discussing it in details as it became very potent in our times, however besides the 3 oats there are numerous laven deoreisu regards this state and they where all num!
“you asked a very valid question”
but you didn’t answer it, the answer you can find in medrash rabbah parshas korach 18-9 on why korach didn’t answer for moshe rabbenu? The similarities are very striking, look it up dude.
anon: "out of the Payer and the Sharmasher"
you forgot to mention the hundreds of gedoli yisruel you probably never heard of them because they didnt join your party.. like the brisker ruv ... chazon ish etc etc
Anon
"are you saying that we are done?
I am waiting for that..."
yes your'e done a long time ago. adios.
Anon
"you say 3 times a day ...וכל המינים כרגע יאבדו... you describe me their 'physical features'?"
I will be very honest I daven every day 3 times but I dont have a particular mean in mind...
the same that I dont have by Krias Shema a particular cow in mind when I say Besodche Livemtecho..
Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04:00 PM said: “obviously the Pressburger ruv”
Youre mixing luhshen and bundlech no similarities whatsoevr? But your anger makes you blind even in daylight
Anon
"like the brisker ruv ..."
I am ready to talk about the brisker ruv,
in the biography of shimi meller that is approvred by reb duvid the son
he claims that he said by the elections that is is not a such a great sin that Satmar ruv had to travel from the states and not not such a great Mitzva that Reb Aron Kotler had to travel from the usa
Plus,(according to the biography) he was against the Satmarer shitah that no miracles were done by the Zionist wars, he claims its against chazal.
there are 100's of letters and telegrams to the MK Porush on Askonas, Maybe MK Lorencz who was also a ben bayis by him has written correspondence too, I did not see it yet, but the correspondence to Porush I did see.
I would not put the Brisker Ruv in the Satmar camp.
The Chazon Ish is not even in your ball park of your nonsense
Anon
"Youre mixing luhshen and bundlech no similarities whatsoevr? But your anger makes you blind even in daylight"
can you explain ? or just spew Lukshen and Bundelech?
Anon
"yes your'e done a long time ago. adios."
you mean I can not belong to the Bnie Yoel, Moshe Ber Beck, Wiess, Natrunoa,Aronim, Zalonim, Meal Mart, Valover,etc...
anon:
"I dont have a particular mean in mind..." or "a particular cow in mind"
I would suggest look in the mirror and you will see both at the same time (c"v just a joke)
anon: "can you explain ?"
what has the Pressburger ruv z"l to do with the current malchus haminus?
Anon
"the 3 oats"
oats you eat for breakfast
it is oath
anon: "you mean I can not belong to the Bnie Yoel, Moshe Ber Beck, Wiess, Natrunoa,Aronim, Zalonim, Meal Mart, Valover,etc..."
or in any brisker yeshivas.. but you can still join BMG anonymous of course
Ha ha
Oser Leodem shyemalye shechok Piv...
it is a halacha, not agada..
bobov rebbi zt"l attended the dinner for "keren hatzolah" which helps pay institutions who dont take money from the medinah. bobov was against taking money, if not he would`nt attened such a dinner, he was not a hippocrite.
Anon
"the 3 oats are not an hagadah its mentioned in rambam eigros teiman, and in lenghth by the mahara”l among others.."
can we establish a fact that this 2 seforim are not halachic?
or it is not established yet?
Btw, in The Igereth of /Yemen the Rambam writes that that King Solomom said Al derech Moshel the 3 oaths, that means it is established by the Rambam as non halachic, as was commented by Rav Shilas in his works.
Anon
"why because at that times it was a valid question, but rarely was it a valid question in our long diaspora therfore few are discussing it in details as it became very potent in our times,"
can we use that fact on all halochas that times hace changed and the poskim did not know in advance,
did the poskim have ruach hakodesh? at least as the Sanzer ruv when he spoke about the Eirev Rav Rabonim he meant for sure the Rebbes that signed the Choiv Kodesh? The poskim did not see as far as the Sanzer ?
Anon
"Besides misspellings and innuendoes, what else can you add to this conversation"
Isee that I did not add to the concersation no bunlech and noLukshen
the reason I am pointing out your ignoramus is,
to proof the chutzpa of a illiterate shnook to label all Gedolie yisroel as Kofrim and Batlunim
You and your ilk are cursed with a overload of audacity.
Anon
"the 3 oats"
"oats you eat for breakfast
it is oath'
ok have your'e way
anon: "in the biography of shimi meller that is approvred by reb duvid the son"
ein lemiden min masah biclech, even when the agudah approves it.
anon: "can we establish a fact that this 2 seforim are not halachic?"
Absolutely not, the v'yoel moshe is nothing but halacha!which binds every yid without exception!!! it was never rebuked in his time and cant be anymore rebuked, 'ein mashivin al hamies'
anon: "did the poskim have ruach hakodesh?"
the 'irim v'timim' on shulchen urach brinks that all poskim mekibal by yiden wa indeed written with 'ruach hakodesh'
Anon
"Absolutely not, the v'yoel moshe is nothing but halacha!which binds every yid without exception!!! it was never rebuked in his time and cant be anymore rebuked, 'ein mashivin al hamies"
wishful thinking and forcefulness thinking
Anon
"ein lemiden min masah biclech, even when the agudah approves it"
are the letters to Menachem Porush fabricated?
are the Torah sources from Brisker Ruv lies too?
Y should I believe all the stories of his Kanuas that are printed by Rav Shlezinger that is Muchzak a Shakran by the Brisker family(and now even by half of Satmar) and disbelieve a book that is approved by the son of Reb Velvel
Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:47:00 PM said: “the chutzpa of a illiterate shnook to label all Gedolie yisroel as Kofrim and Batlunim You and your ilk are cursed with a overload of audacity.”
Look who is calling the kettle black, כל הנגעים אדם רואה ׳חוץ׳ מנגעי עצמו
so i said that your’e a טיפּש(I'm sure I'm not the first one)and if you don’t believe it read ‘your’ comments, don't get so up set its not your fault.
Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:14:00 PM said:
"a book that is approved by the son of Reb Velvel"
you can have הסכמה on a sefer thats its authentic but It's absurd to have a הסכמה on a story book
Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:47:00 PM said: “the chutzpa of a illiterate shnook to label all Gedolie yisroel as Kofrim and Batlunim “
I never did such a think, although I’ll add that ‘your’ גדולים are my קטנים
פּירושׁים מותרים
If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen!, when y’all talk with חוצפּה ועזות verbally and in writings for over 60 years on a daily bases on a רשכבה״ג who literraly single handedly recsued klal yisruel מטמיון, and making a mockery of a ספה״ק which was written בּדם לבבו that’s ok! I hear no protest ever!, but if you just perceive in your mind that someone touched on your party גדולים than oh wow what a חוצפּה !
אלף כמותכם יבטל ואל יבטל אות אחת מתורתו הק׳
its like Iran vs. Iraq, I want both sides to win
Anon said "on a רשכבה״ג who literraly single handedly recsued klal yisruel מטמיון,".
Ever heard of Reb Aron Kotler, The Chazon Ish, Brisker Rov, Tcibner Rov, Belzer Rov, Gerrer Rebbe, Etc Etc???
Or they above are not worth mentioning in the rebuilding of postwar Yiddihkeit.
Ingerisher Ferd what you are.
Anon
"I never did such a think, although I’ll add that ‘your’ גדולים are my קטנים
פּירושׁים מותרים"
Keep on you grotesque juvenile talk, it adds much respect for the shitah, it reminds of the shushan purim tishen on Rodney street in the good old days before Cof Vov Av
Anon
"when y’all talk with חוצפּה ועזות verbally and in writings for over 60 years on a daily bases on a רשכבה״ג"
Disagreeing with a Godel beyisroel is no chutzpa, If someone is claiming on a Godel that he has no right to label you in to a kofer, then you are no Chutzpa.
The CS disagrees with the Rambam on a major issus as the 13th principles, he claims there is no such thing as the number 13, is is Chutzpa and azus? It is a legitimate disagreement in torah, and nobody should be labeled with derogatory names. But if the disagreements goes below the belt old Rodney style then it is obviously no torah issue just some tribal war.
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