די חברה רוהען נישט קיין מינוט מ'קנאקט און מ'קנאקט, אהן א אויפהער, וואך איין און וואך אויס אויף די סאטמארא, מען בּעדארפט וועהן ארויסוואפּ'ן פון דַאנ'ן די אלע טויבּע לָאטצי'ס אין שלום על ישראל
My dear yid, the satmars indeed have good things to learn from, an example is the bikur cholim, and charity, but in deios or their shittah, it only caused machlokes in klall yisroel, the world would have been a much nicer place without the shittah, the avnei nezer, is good enough.
Hirshel " די חברה רוהען נישט קיין מינוט מ'קנאקט און מ'קנאקט, אהן א אויפהער, וואך איין און וואך אויס אויף די סאטמארא, מען בּעדארפט וועהן ארויסוואפּ'ן פון דַאנ'ן די אלע טויבּע לָאטצי'ס אין שלום על ישראל
אַ מיינונג פון אַ ליינער" in short a new Tielung...
Here we go again. We are not buying the Satmar PR anymore. Those newspapers were not denigrating RY in the early years; he was a two bit player. Yes, the Yid over the years maligned and terrorized many people and rabbanim. This was the reason that the newspaper was bought to begin with. No other rav had the foresight to maintain a newspaper, and this was RY’s single most brilliant scheme. The newspaper gave him a voice and allowed him to keep everyone in check.
Here you go again with the circular logic. I am a “min,” because I don’t agree with you. I believe that RY had major issues. There simply was no reason why he needed to control the entire Hungarian Yidentum (and then some). There were plenty of others who were doing just fine until he came around. He proceeded to systematically steal them and their mosdos away. There is no doubt that he had megalomaniac tendencies.
You obviously can’t read. My point was that he did not come of age until later in the game. Don’t forget all the stories about schlepping minyan. Please stop all this revisionism. He did nothing for Yidishkite when it counted most; in the DP camps. Oh, by the way he himself ended up in the medina.
Most of your other comments are a bunch of gibberish.
טויבּער לָאטצי :"this was some nonsense that was said by the Shushan Purim Tish to boost the shitah."
מפּי הרה"צ המפורסם ר' מנחם שלמה טויבּ האדמו"ר מקאליב זצ"ל גאון,צדיק,וחסיד לא פּסיק פּומיה מגירסא ותפילה יומם ולילה כל ימי חייו , אבי של האדמו"ר מקאליב שליט"א
tibi lotzi: "(the above is based on the answer that Reb Yakov Kamenitzky answered for Sakmer Ruv why nobody is answering his sefer, printed in a Domsoi Lesomar, Satmar leaflet)"
!חכמת קרח
:במדרש כל הדברים האלה פייס משה לקרח, ואין את מוצא שהשיבו דבר, לפי שהיה פקח ברשעתו, אמר אם אני משיבו יודע אני בו שהוא חכם גדול, עכשיו יקפחני בדבריו ומקלקלני, ואני מתרצה לו בעל בעל כורחי מוטב שלא אזקק לו. כשראה משה שאין בו תועלת, פירש הימנו
david: "My point was that he did not come of age until later in the game. Don’t forget all the stories about schlepping minyan"
He was the Pupil of the Eye, and the eye of the storm before WWII during and after WWII His presence, personality and daas torah! is what's every yid asked for knows it and remembers it! NO One! in his generation came close to him! in any of the 3 עמודי עולם: תורה, עבודה, גמ"ח. חכמה, בּינה, ודעת
The faster you will accept that the more and sooner of your angst and pain will be relieved.
chusid101: even in Satmar there are lots of people particularly the younger generation, who go to the koisel hamaarovi.
Oh Wow! Pictures please?!
I have a friend a talmid of SR! who went to the kosel, I asked him if he 'touched' the wall!!! He laughed.. and admitted to me that he tried to be strong! But when he actually touched 'it' he started to SWEAT..!
David: "Most of your other comments are a bunch of gibberish."
Ouch! define 'gibberish' Maybe you just don't understand them Just like when your rebbe explained you a reb chaim? and you sat num!
תוס' במס' שבּת: יציאות הוצאה הוה לי' למתני', אלא נקט יציאות לישנא דקרא
The point when i can explain a long theory in short words even it looks out of context (as above שבּת) to you but, we are thought in ספרי הקדמונים וספרי חסידות that explains that ענין me thinking that you understand But if you don't sorry buddy Move on...
chusid101: "but in deios or their shittah, it only caused machlokes in klall yisroel, the world would have been a much nicer place without the shittah,"
בדרשת חת"ס,בקיצור: מחלוקת ת"ח תכליתו שלום "שלום רב" בּגימ' מחלקת "שלום" סתם בגימ' עשו...אם בניך הם בוניך אז "רב שלום" בניך...׀דהיינו המחלקת הם טוב׀ אכמ"ל
david: "Don’t forget all the stories about schlepping minyan"
You must mean for his minyan shacris at 12:00 noon when every one is at work or in the yeshivah? and he didn't want them to interupt their learning? did torah vadaas or mir had a 12:00 noon shacris minyan without schlepping?
Here we go again with your circular logic. He was the greatest because you say so. Get it through your head, I don’t buy it. It’s laughable that you claim that no one in his generation came close to him in these matters. There is a immense list of poskim that were greater than him. Your silly aside regarding RAK (questioning his credentials as a posek) demonstrates how spare your knowledge is in the poskim of the times. Consequentially, I don’t place much weight on your words. Do you realize that RAK wrote many teshuvos? Did you even bother to peruse Teshuvas Mishnas R’ Aharon? There is simply no comparison between the writings of these two leaders. RAK was in a different league. How about RMF? RY was small potatoes in comparison to RMF. Furthermore, how can one compare RY’s bekius to the encyclopedic knowledge of the LR? Your either blind or a liar.
Actually, no one classified as one of the great Poskim had such meager knowledge in daled chelkei Shuchan Aruch as RY. He scarcely wrote on Orach Chaim, which proves my point. He had a predilection to write regarding issues that others did not write much about, but in the rudiments he was not that well versed (I heard something along these lines b’sem the Chelkas Yaakov). Many of his teshuvos are nice derush, but do not reflect the cognition and style of a great teshuva writer. In any case, some of them clearly demonstrate reverse engineering; he made up his mind regarding the matter prior to his research of the pertinent inyanim. His lumdos was sorely lacking. His foremost talent was by far in derush.
I reiterate, the greatest revisionism that is perpetuated by the Satmar PR machine is that he was the one who saved Yiddiskeit. He did nothing of the sort. The most important period of time that there was a need to demonstrate leadership was in the DP camps. RY was in Switzerland at the time, and did not even bother to cross the border (which was maybe a 30 minute drive). This is the underlying reason why you need to vilify his nephew who was the true hero of the times (oh, and by the way, he was much greater than RY in Torah and Avodah); he simply stood in the way of RY’s quest for world dominance.
You are typical of all the Satmar redactors. You mention his Daas Torah because it’s the catch phrase of the day that is used to illustrate the gadlus of a gadol, and of course he was the greatest of them all. However, there is no doubt that he would disparage its etymology.
No no, your citations are simply of the mark and rarely answer tzum zach. You use them as a cover for your inability to argue points that you have never heard previously. It’s not you, your chinuch is to blame.
Oh, about his schlepping minyan, your right the time reached 12 noon because he had to finish schmoozing with everyone about yesterdays lashon hara (remember him walking around with the talis on his shoulder).
No, the boys from TV and The Mir would not daven (or be mitztaruf) after zeman tefilla.
טויבּער לָאטצי David et al “Do you realize that RAK wrote many teshuvos? How about RMF? . “
RAK & RMF Who? How many tshivous did אברהם אבינו,הרשבּ"י או הבּעש"ט write? In fact the world would of be better off if RMF wouldn't write so many.. i.e. heter הזרעה מלאכתית, חלב עכו"ם, מחיצות ביהמ"ד etc etc. wich contributed to the downfall of chereidim in america in particular! As far as the renaissance of Jewish chareidi growth in America or worldwide RMF contributed zilch. RAK became the head of agudah in America which had not much presence in America before him, לנגח את החרדים, תהא זכרו ברוך The world would do fine without his reponsa writings to, his yeshivah became the ערי מקלט for the strayed chasidim, until there wasn’t such a thing he had a minisucle yeshivah.
"He had a predilection to write regarding issues that others did not write much about" That is correct also mostly he would write on issues that would contribute to להתרוממת קרן התורה וישראל, ובלהתגלות כבוד שמים בעולם
Their was plenty gedola yisruel than, and know who can and would sit home and write 'arm chair responsas!' a-dime-a-dozen! But leaders for klal yiruel, lighting rods of the משנאי השם ! Becoming the compass of klal yisruel where to turn !!! To follow after בתורה, עבודה,גמ"ח ובענייני אמונה דיעות והשקפות
Are u kidding RYT vs RMF of the lower east side! אלפי אלפים בישראל משכימי לפּתחוו לבית מדרשו ליהנות ממנו עצה ותושי' לבנות בתים נאמנים לד' אחר החורבן, בּנה בידיו המבצר התורה על טהרת הקודש הכי גדולה בּעולם מימות קדם ישיבות וקהילות רבּות! שכמהו לא הי' דוקא בארץ לא זרועה!מגיד שיעורים ואב"ד יותר משישים שנה, רבּים השיב מעון. תפילותיו ודרושתיו נזדעזע כהע"כּ ! המליצ יושר הג' על כלל ישראל
?דואג ואחיתופל vs. דוד
btw, all his writings and speaches where תורת הנגלה ע"פּ תורת הנסתר a combination of נגלות התורה בשילוב נסתר התורה, ולא הי' שום סתירה ביניהם That is not an easy task of which RMF had no clue on !
BTW, שואל כעניין ומשיב כהלכה you're not! what i wrote was:
--------- He was the Pupil of the Eye, and the eye of the storm before WWII during and after WWII His presence, personality and daas torah! is what's every yid asked for knows it and remembers it! NO One! in his generation came close to him! in any of the 3 עמודי עולם: תורה, עבודה, גמ"ח. חכמה, בּינה, ודעת ------------ But you chose to focus on some לומדות accomplishments That I'm sure an advanced YU,(of rabbi/dr. JB) student will appreciate.
you write: "RY was small potatoes" But RMF got fried big potato style.
David said... "Here we go again with your circular logic"
You aren’t any David! Just another run-of-the-mill yavenite educated תינוק שנשבּי בין מינים ומינים שונים your dumb and twisted personal psycho attacks belong on FM! Take a hike there, where you will find your kind in abandonment! Until:
I would add RMF became popular especially here in America thru his כוח דהיתרא wich all קלים turned to him knowing well that כוח דהיתרא עדיף and he will ממציא זיין ההלכה accordingly! which contributed to the downfall of גדרים וסייגים all over! take out his היתרים and print them seperately that will become a monument in !פּריצת גדר, Note that the כלל, כח דהיתרא עדיף is only by an איסור דאורייתא and not to be used by an איסור דרבּנן , sine RMF was mostly on איסור דרבּנן לצד היתר his חידוש was stronger, see below:
רש"י: טוב לו להשמיענו כח דברי המתיר, שהוא סומך על שמועתו ואינו ירא להתיר, אבל כח האוסרין אינה ראיה, שהכל יכולין להחמיר, ואפילו בדבר המותר
לדעתו של בעל הצל"ח: אם הנושא הנדון במחלוקת הוא איסור דרבנן אזי "כוח דאיסורא עדיף". מפני שבדינים מדרבנן הכלל ההלכתי הוא שיש לנטות לקולא ממילא הכלל מתהפך, ויש להבליט יותר את הדעה האוסרת, כי החידוש בה גדול יותר
Melamed... " RAK & RMF Who? How many tshivous did אברהם אבינו,הרשבּ"י או הבּעש"ט write? In fact the world would of be better off if RMF wouldn't write so many.. i.e. heter הזרעה מלאכתית, חלב עכו"ם, מחיצות ביהמ"ד etc etc. wich contributed to the downfall of chereidim in america in particular! As far as the renaissance of Jewish chareidi growth in America or worldwide RMF contributed zilch. RAK became the head of agudah in America which had not much presence in America before him, לנגח את החרדים, תהא זכרו ברוך The world would do fine without his reponsa writings to, his yeshivah became the ערי מקלט for the strayed chasidim, until there wasn’t such a thing he had a minisucle yeshivah." I don't see from where u are getting your facts on the yeshiva world, its a growing powerhouse Lashem Vetorasai.. and they are rebuilding the whole Charadie Jewry from California to Lakewood...I guess the Blatt and its mother the Der Yid never told you that fact.. Its also worth to mention for you that Reb Moshe Teshuva on IVF is the mainstream peask for all fertility problems in the Charadie world, it is more accepted then any of the pesokim of the holy sefer Veyoell So who was the posek hador..? Think about it even his great pesak on Eruvin is etched in stone by our brothers of the Zali faction in Willi So who was the posek hador..?
Melamed.. "How many tshivous did אברהם אבינו,הרשבּ"י או הבּעש"ט write?" they were all am heratzim like Reb Chaim Mier of Grosvirden....and Rebe Arele of Belz.. Only Reb yoel knew torah.. don't you know that certified fact yet?
Melamed... I will not try to answer reb moshes gadlus in torah and yiras shomaim for a little satmar boychic.. For me to talk and defend a godal as Reb Moshe who was in the leauge of Kovner Ruv or Shoal umeishiv, Marsham,is ludicrous is not for a little nobody like me.. As the kadmonim saying goes Uli Yedativ Huyisi... one of the greatness of the Sakmer ruv was that he created a genaration of am aratzim that have the chutzpa to poke their nose in every field even where there great great father of Klienvaiden did not belong. The same is being said on the Sakmar ruvs differing with a sar hatorah like the Avnie Nezer.... he was the lion of torah in his days with talmidim like Chelkas Yoav , Klie chemdah... if they would know and respect torah they would hide in a rabbit hole from this giants....
Divrie Yatziv "David said... "Here we go again with your circular logic"
You aren’t any David! Just another run-of-the-mill yavenite educated תינוק שנשבּי בין מינים ומינים שונים your dumb and twisted personal psycho attacks belong on FM! Take a hike there, where you will find your kind in abandonment! Until:
!וכל קרני רשעים אגדע" typical willi gibberish response , you curse till you run of repetitious curses..
Melamed "you write: "RY was small potatoes" But RMF got fried big potato style." this answer is from Olam Hteritzim.. as they say in Willi "Git Arien gefuran.. er vet zech mer nisht derviegen.....
One of the great chorbones, that Satmar created after the war is the tremendous bizayon hatorah, chazal say whoever is mevazeh a Talmud chochom is an Apikoirus! So who are the minim here?
My entire debate with this split personality is proof what I mentioned previously. This is the way of a Satmarer, they throw up smokescreens and then move their target. Much of what he states is inane.
Your argument that some of the greats didn’t either write teshuvos demonstrates that you lack basic comprehension. 1) RY claimed that his shita was halachic; therefore, we can critique them on their halachic merits. 2) Since the greats you mentioned didn’t write teshuvos we can’t asses them critically. However, RY did write teshuvos, and they contain many weaknesses as I mentioned previously.
Like many of RY’s Chassidim, your meager knowledge of what’s actually happening in the greater Yiddishe velt, can only exist because of your extreme provincialism. But this is not your fault he liked the idea of keeping his underlings clueless. You have no idea what’s going on out there. RMF’s teshuvos are followed the world over. While RMF was not a leader in the sense that RAK was, nevertheless the fact that he was consulted on most pertinent matters would classify him as the de facto manhig hador. RAK was the mastermind of the entire Yeshivishe revolution, which is influencing the Chassidishe Yeshiva velt as well.
RMF was not a kal at all. You simply don’t know many of his teshuvos. You only know the few teshuvos that RY argued on. RY was not in the league of RMF -- not in mentchlichkeit and most definitely not in Torah. (There is an unpublished teshuvah were RMF wiped the floor with RY.) The only “downfall of Chareidim in America” is in RY’s machne. There are so many non-believers originating from Williamsburg and KJ, it’s a calamity. There is no doubt that this is a direct result of RY’s chinuch of hate. (You don’t remember from one line to the next what you put to paper. Make up your mind, first you write there is a, “downfall of Chareidim in America,“ then you write there is a, “renaissance of Jewish Chareidi growth in America.”)
If RY was such an influential mahnig why would Chassidishe boys go to Lakewood, and not to his Mosdos? Why would Chassidishe Yeshivos seek Lakewood alumni as Magidei Shiurim, and not his Chasidim? A good way to analyze the influence of a leader is to observe the amount of times that he is quoted. RMF is quoted myriads of times more than RY. It’s fascinating; when it suits you, you would belittle RAK. So I guess my understanding of the private tapes of RY (where he spews his hate), which include his deriding of RAK is correct. RAK was a tool for RY. But don’t worry there was no love lost between the two of them.
Your either blind or an am haaretz in the inyan, RY was a very small player in the Nister arena. (Actually, no rebbe compares to the LR in this subject.) In any case, the only thing he mastered was derush.
You’re gluten for punishment. Why do you insist on mentioning his history prior to WWII? Do you want me to list his numerous quarrels? Or maybe you want to talk about the vicious tactics that he made use of. Perhaps you want to speak about his presence instilled fear in the rabbanim? What? He was, “the eye of the storm,” No no no, he created the storm; he was the storm itself. Stop deluding yourself. Numerous rabbanim were greater than him in all arenas. His nephew was much greater than him in Torah and Avodah. I would venture to say that his phenomenal mesiras nefesh during the war was the ultimate chesed, as well. The LR was much greater than him in Torah. His outreach is the foremost chesed. RMF was in a different league of Torah. RAK was light years ahead in Torah, and was great mahnig as well.
You midget, your rebbe collectively with his father are not in the league of RMF. It’s futile arguing with you.
David: April 20, 2012 12:11: "We are all suffering from his megalomaniac tendencies."
chusid101 : "One of the great chorbones, that Satmar created after the war is the tremendous bizayon hatorah, chazal say whoever is mevazeh a Talmud chochom is an Apikoirus! " ----------
OMG! did someone call RMF and RAK a MEGALOMANIAC!!! The טיטול Reserved for RYT ONLY! what a חוצפּה Mentioning split personalities, I'm glad to know that בשׁלילה you're not! הוא עומד ברשעתו מתחילה ועד סוף except of course בגאותך קשה עם חוצפּה ועזות יתירה, בדרשתך הנבלה : כ"א כסלו, כ"א אב !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Itche Mier "I'm glad to know that בשׁלילה you're not! הוא עומד ברשעתו מתחילה ועד סוף except of course בגאותך קשה עם חוצפּה ועזות יתירה, בדרשתך הנבלה : כ"א כסלו, כ"א אב !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
can u explain this leak of ink.... I am not getting it.
Let me ask some rhetorical questions that will illustrate my argument. Why did RY plunder the hechserim business from the Tzeilemer rav? Why did he offer lower tuition for children who were already in yeshivos? Why did he payoff rabbanim? Why did terrorize these rabbanim into submission? Why did he vilify anyone that stood in his why? Why did he promote terrorism? Why did he open a kollel if he abhorred it so? These are only a few of my arguments (regarding his years in America) which demonstrate that he was seeking to control American Yiddentum.
מה בין תלמידיו של אברהם אבינו לתלמידיו של בלעם הרשע
Below are comments made against RYT personally by alumni RAK & RMF – only on this thread called האדמו"ר האצ"ל'ניק - from people who claim that satmar are hatemongerer’s! and denigrate gedolim, Not one derogatory comment was made against the opposite camp, JUDGE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU JUDGE OTHERS! !קשוט עצמך ואח"כּ קשוט אחרים
-satmar has the letters Samech Mem in it!! - this statement is as stupid as saying "rather to kneel to 7 idols then 1 word hebrew," everybody has their extreme hangovers,,, Is it the Satmar ruvs fault, that Hungarian Jews did not go to palestine early enough -He did not have the audacity to survive a war with no concentration camp work and make all Klal Yisroel into kofrim a half hour after the biggest churban of Klal Yisroel - it has same poundage of deriush as the Veyoel... - as any Rebbe or "Manhig Yisroel" I tought that the Veyoel is ridiculing from all manhigie yisroel that are on the other side of his newfound religion - isn't chasidus Nishtakcho? or only the Ahavas Yisroel parts? - he always wanted to be where the money is.... obviously to gain a upperhand on his influence... - When you will learn all of the above you would start seeing the sheker in your chinuch! - Can I say that after all the black prophecies of the Sakmer Ruv on the State of Israel religious status, we can scream from all the roof tops that he is irrelevant, - Good question for people that believe in the new religion, for klal yisroel - Again you and Rebbe have no way to differentiate between Derush and Nigleh, - How much did Satmer Ruv pay for bloch to forge this letters? - One thing that really makes me mad is the claim that Rav Yolish established Yiddishkite in America. - the vayoel moshe was written over forty years ago, min hashomaim they didn't paskened like him. - I learn to debate from reading veyoel moshe, where every paragraph starts Veili Apikorsim... - does Maari Shashportet have some chidush on Taam Keikor the favorite sugya of the Krepel Tisch?" - he stood in the way of RY’s quest for world domination. - The only thing that RY did for Yiddishkeit was buy a newspaper to disseminate his hate policies. - I dont know who is the Mechabel or the Scarecrow, - The scarecrow comment just demonstrates RY’s phenomenal ability at rewriting history, - but those who disagree with his hate spewing have to be vigilant of their critique of his eminence? - the problems facing us are to be placed squarely on him. The hijacking of Yiddiskeit by the Jewish Talban is extensions of his slash and burn policies - We are all suffering from his megalomaniac tendencies. - the Satmorim are bragging that no body answered the Little Derush sefer of their Rebbe - every paragraph that the Veyoel starts, goes VELI HOAPIKORSIM - the only place that he won was by Kliens Ice cream, - He proceeded to systematically steal them and their mosdos away. There is no doubt that he had megalomaniac tendencies - He did nothing for Yidishkite when it counted most; in the DP camps - one of the greatness of the Sakmer ruv was that he created a genaration of am aratzim - RY was not in the league of RMF -- not in mentchlichkeit and most definitely not in T - There is an unpublished teshuvah were RMF wiped the floor with RY - You midget, your rebbe collectively with his father are not in the league of RMF. - nobody called them (megalomaniac) because they were not, The same reason nobody called the holy Reb Zishe a MEGALOMANIAC", why not ? because he was not of that sort.
דע מה שתשיב לאפיקורוס, הני מילי לאפיקורס נכרי, אבל אפיקורוס ישראל כל שכן דפרק טפי סנהדרין ל״ח
IDK who RMF was personnaly, I formed my opinion from his responsa pro/con and from a picture I saw him sitting at a headtable by one of his birthday parties! around 100 people with mixed seatings men & woman!
I also know that satmar rav z"l said once that if you learn torah without yirah! you wound up writing pesukim as RMF did, Go Figure!
Go Figure "I saw him sitting at a headtable by one of his birthday parties! around 100 people with mixed seatings men & woman! "
can u scan the picture? Didnt the Sakmer Ruv choose Dayan Wiess for ruv in the Eida haChradies? it was against the wishes of the NK. I saw pictures of him sitting in a event with mixed seating men and women? Are his pesokim approved by Reb Yoel? does it have yirah?
Divrie Yatziv Your list is great, and thanks for compiling it, it is a good reference for everything pertaining the history of Rebinie Yoel. Whatever takes for Gelbman 78 volumes, you put in 1 sheet
Divrie Yatziv " דע מה שתשיב לאפיקורוס, הני מילי לאפיקורס נכרי, אבל אפיקורוס ישראל כל שכן דפרק טפי סנהדרין ל״ח" I keep on reminding you that the apikoras is also the person who has no respect for a goan vetzadik as Reb Moshe and the holy Divrie Yatziv
Divrie Yatziv "I would add RMF became popular especially here in America thru his כוח דהיתרא wich all קלים turned to him knowing well that כוח דהיתרא עדיף and he will ממציא זיין ההלכה accordingly! which contributed to the downfall of גדרים וסייגים all over" Did u say that reb mioshe created Kalos in the USA and was the rav for all Kalim? Did David say it? or u ? You people like to cry when some guy decides to answer you people in your language,
Londoner Chochem: "Are his pesokim approved by Reb Yoel? does it have yirah?" "can u scan the picture?"
The difference is !תשובה If you recognize it's a sin I'm sure every yid does תשובה But if you think your act wasn't a sin than you don't do תשובה and...
The picture was published in a supplement of a sefer called והאמת עד לעצמו, מהרב קליין it's out of print But I'm sure if you look for it you will find it.
You can make a list, but you can’t answer even one argument. Do you want a list of all the rabbanim that you and your ilk denigrate? Your just getting a little of RY’s own medicine.
"I also know that satmar rav z"l said once that if you learn torah without yirah! you wound up writing pesukim as RMF did, Go Figure!"
Please don’t give us more fodder against RY. I once borrowed the yirah measuring stick from a Satmar Chussid, and I tested RY and RMF. RMF won hands down. Go figure.
:זוהר אין בין מים העליונים למים התחתונים אלא כמלא גימא׳ והאי נימא עליה אתמר.. ווי לון מאן דאפריש אות ברית בין מים למים ומנע זרעא מניה דאחזר עלמא לתהו ובהו
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די חברה רוהען נישט קיין מינוט מ'קנאקט און מ'קנאקט, אהן א אויפהער, וואך איין און וואך אויס אויף די סאטמארא, מען בּעדארפט וועהן ארויסוואפּ'ן פון דַאנ'ן די אלע טויבּע לָאטצי'ס אין שלום על ישראל
אַ מיינונג פון אַ ליינער
צוציג'ל
My dear yid, the satmars indeed have good things to learn from, an example is the bikur cholim, and charity, but in deios or their shittah, it only caused machlokes in klall yisroel, the world would have been a much nicer place without the shittah, the avnei nezer, is good enough.
Zemach
"hat rather goes to show that the only ones who are not מטמא את עצמם בחלב עכּו"ם are satmere! and their satelites."
another Satmar Bucket of Hogwash... only we are frum...
Hirshel
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די חברה רוהען נישט קיין מינוט מ'קנאקט און מ'קנאקט, אהן א אויפהער, וואך איין און וואך אויס אויף די סאטמארא, מען בּעדארפט וועהן ארויסוואפּ'ן פון דַאנ'ן די אלע טויבּע לָאטצי'ס אין שלום על ישראל
אַ מיינונג פון אַ ליינער"
in short a new Tielung...
Please stop the charade of multiple screen names.
Here we go again. We are not buying the Satmar PR anymore. Those newspapers were not denigrating RY in the early years; he was a two bit player. Yes, the Yid over the years maligned and terrorized many people and rabbanim. This was the reason that the newspaper was bought to begin with. No other rav had the foresight to maintain a newspaper, and this was RY’s single most brilliant scheme. The newspaper gave him a voice and allowed him to keep everyone in check.
Here you go again with the circular logic. I am a “min,” because I don’t agree with you. I believe that RY had major issues. There simply was no reason why he needed to control the entire Hungarian Yidentum (and then some). There were plenty of others who were doing just fine until he came around. He proceeded to systematically steal them and their mosdos away. There is no doubt that he had megalomaniac tendencies.
You obviously can’t read. My point was that he did not come of age until later in the game. Don’t forget all the stories about schlepping minyan. Please stop all this revisionism. He did nothing for Yidishkite when it counted most; in the DP camps. Oh, by the way he himself ended up in the medina.
Most of your other comments are a bunch of gibberish.
tibi lotzi: "As Reb Itche Woodridger is saying the Der YId is being used to cover our Tinofes(dirt) and uncovering their Tinofes(dirt)."
When the pinprick suppository will talk of his rebbe Jabotinsky people will listen.
טויבּער לָאטצי :"this was some nonsense that was said by the Shushan Purim Tish to boost the shitah."
מפּי הרה"צ המפורסם ר' מנחם שלמה טויבּ האדמו"ר מקאליב זצ"ל
גאון,צדיק,וחסיד לא פּסיק פּומיה מגירסא ותפילה יומם ולילה כל ימי חייו , אבי של האדמו"ר מקאליב שליט"א
ויואל משה! א'נכי ו'לא י'הי ל'ך מ'פּי ה'גבורה שׂ'מענו
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משלי כז
אם תכתוש את האויל במכתש ..לא תסור מעליו אולתו
tibi lotzi: "every paragraph that the Veyoel starts, goes VELI HOAPIKORSIM... why is someone a apikoras if he asks a question on a source..."
אין 6 מאל אַ טאג זאגען אין הערן דעם, וכל המינים כרגע יאבדו.., גיפעלט אייך יא
:בּגמרא
תעו בברכת המינים מונעים ממנו להמשיך להיות חזן, שחושדים בו שהוא מין
tibi lotzi: "(the above is based on the answer that Reb Yakov Kamenitzky answered for Sakmer Ruv why nobody is answering his sefer, printed in a Domsoi Lesomar, Satmar leaflet)"
!חכמת קרח
:במדרש
כל הדברים האלה פייס משה לקרח, ואין את מוצא שהשיבו דבר, לפי שהיה פקח ברשעתו, אמר אם אני משיבו יודע אני בו שהוא חכם גדול, עכשיו יקפחני בדבריו ומקלקלני, ואני מתרצה לו בעל
בעל כורחי מוטב שלא אזקק לו. כשראה משה שאין בו תועלת, פירש הימנו
david: "My point was that he did not come of age until later in the game. Don’t forget all the stories about schlepping minyan"
He was the Pupil of the Eye, and the eye of the storm before WWII during and after WWII His presence, personality and daas torah! is what's every yid asked for knows it and remembers it! NO One! in his generation came close to him! in any of the 3
עמודי עולם: תורה, עבודה, גמ"ח. חכמה, בּינה, ודעת
The faster you will accept that the more and sooner of your angst and pain will be relieved.
anon: "in short a new Tielung..."
A Tielung in reverse!!!?
chusid101: even in Satmar there are lots of people particularly the younger generation, who go to the koisel hamaarovi.
Oh Wow! Pictures please?!
I have a friend a talmid of SR! who went to the kosel, I asked him if he 'touched' the wall!!! He laughed.. and admitted to me that he tried to be strong! But when he actually touched 'it' he started to SWEAT..!
! יודע את רבונו ומתכוין למרוד בו
הנביא צוח: ההמיר גוי אלהים והמה לא אלהים ועמי המיר כבודו בלוא יועיל
David: "Most of your other comments are a bunch of gibberish."
Ouch! define 'gibberish' Maybe you just don't understand them Just like when your rebbe explained you a reb chaim? and you sat num!
תוס' במס' שבּת: יציאות הוצאה הוה לי' למתני', אלא נקט יציאות לישנא דקרא
The point when i can explain a long theory in short words even it looks out of context (as above שבּת) to you but, we are thought in ספרי הקדמונים וספרי חסידות that explains that ענין me thinking that you understand But if you don't sorry buddy Move on...
chusid101: "but in deios or their shittah, it only caused machlokes in klall yisroel, the world would have been a much nicer place without the shittah,"
בדרשת חת"ס,בקיצור: מחלוקת ת"ח תכליתו שלום "שלום רב" בּגימ' מחלקת "שלום" סתם בגימ' עשו...אם בניך הם בוניך אז "רב שלום" בניך...׀דהיינו המחלקת הם טוב׀ אכמ"ל
david: "Don’t forget all the stories about schlepping minyan"
You must mean for his minyan shacris at 12:00 noon when every one is at work or in the yeshivah? and he didn't want them to interupt their learning? did torah vadaas or mir had a 12:00 noon shacris minyan without schlepping?
Here we go again with your circular logic. He was the greatest because you say so. Get it through your head, I don’t buy it. It’s laughable that you claim that no one in his generation came close to him in these matters. There is a immense list of poskim that were greater than him. Your silly aside regarding RAK (questioning his credentials as a posek) demonstrates how spare your knowledge is in the poskim of the times. Consequentially, I don’t place much weight on your words. Do you realize that RAK wrote many teshuvos? Did you even bother to peruse Teshuvas Mishnas R’ Aharon? There is simply no comparison between the writings of these two leaders. RAK was in a different league. How about RMF? RY was small potatoes in comparison to RMF. Furthermore, how can one compare RY’s bekius to the encyclopedic knowledge of the LR? Your either blind or a liar.
Actually, no one classified as one of the great Poskim had such meager knowledge in daled chelkei Shuchan Aruch as RY. He scarcely wrote on Orach Chaim, which proves my point. He had a predilection to write regarding issues that others did not write much about, but in the rudiments he was not that well versed (I heard something along these lines b’sem the Chelkas Yaakov). Many of his teshuvos are nice derush, but do not reflect the cognition and style of a great teshuva writer. In any case, some of them clearly demonstrate reverse engineering; he made up his mind regarding the matter prior to his research of the pertinent inyanim. His lumdos was sorely lacking. His foremost talent was by far in derush.
I reiterate, the greatest revisionism that is perpetuated by the Satmar PR machine is that he was the one who saved Yiddiskeit. He did nothing of the sort. The most important period of time that there was a need to demonstrate leadership was in the DP camps. RY was in Switzerland at the time, and did not even bother to cross the border (which was maybe a 30 minute drive). This is the underlying reason why you need to vilify his nephew who was the true hero of the times (oh, and by the way, he was much greater than RY in Torah and Avodah); he simply stood in the way of RY’s quest for world dominance.
You are typical of all the Satmar redactors. You mention his Daas Torah because it’s the catch phrase of the day that is used to illustrate the gadlus of a gadol, and of course he was the greatest of them all. However, there is no doubt that he would disparage its etymology.
No no, your citations are simply of the mark and rarely answer tzum zach. You use them as a cover for your inability to argue points that you have never heard previously. It’s not you, your chinuch is to blame.
Oh, about his schlepping minyan, your right the time reached 12 noon because he had to finish schmoozing with everyone about yesterdays lashon hara (remember him walking around with the talis on his shoulder).
No, the boys from TV and The Mir would not daven (or be mitztaruf) after zeman tefilla.
טויבּער לָאטצי David et al
“Do you realize that RAK wrote many teshuvos? How about RMF? . “
RAK & RMF Who? How many tshivous did אברהם אבינו,הרשבּ"י או הבּעש"ט write? In fact the world would of be better off if RMF wouldn't write so many.. i.e. heter הזרעה מלאכתית, חלב עכו"ם, מחיצות ביהמ"ד etc etc. wich contributed to the downfall of chereidim in america in particular! As far as the renaissance of Jewish chareidi growth in America or worldwide RMF contributed zilch. RAK became the head of agudah in America which had not much presence in America before him, לנגח את החרדים, תהא זכרו ברוך The world would do fine without his reponsa writings to, his yeshivah became the ערי מקלט for the strayed chasidim, until there wasn’t such a thing he had a minisucle yeshivah.
"He had a predilection to write regarding issues that others did not write much about" That is correct also mostly he would write on issues that would contribute to להתרוממת קרן התורה וישראל, ובלהתגלות כבוד שמים בעולם
Their was plenty gedola yisruel than, and know who can and would sit home and write 'arm chair responsas!' a-dime-a-dozen! But leaders for klal yiruel, lighting rods of the משנאי השם ! Becoming the compass of klal yisruel where to turn !!! To follow after בתורה, עבודה,גמ"ח ובענייני אמונה דיעות והשקפות
Are u kidding RYT vs RMF of the lower east side! אלפי אלפים בישראל משכימי לפּתחוו לבית מדרשו ליהנות ממנו עצה ותושי' לבנות בתים נאמנים לד' אחר החורבן, בּנה בידיו המבצר התורה על טהרת הקודש הכי גדולה בּעולם מימות קדם ישיבות וקהילות רבּות! שכמהו לא הי' דוקא בארץ לא זרועה!מגיד שיעורים ואב"ד יותר משישים שנה, רבּים השיב מעון. תפילותיו ודרושתיו נזדעזע כהע"כּ ! המליצ יושר הג' על כלל ישראל
?דואג ואחיתופל vs. דוד
btw, all his writings and speaches where תורת הנגלה ע"פּ תורת הנסתר a combination of נגלות התורה בשילוב נסתר התורה, ולא הי' שום סתירה ביניהם That is not an easy task of which RMF had no clue on !
BTW, שואל כעניין ומשיב כהלכה you're not! what i wrote was:
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He was the Pupil of the Eye, and the eye of the storm before WWII during and after WWII His presence, personality and daas torah! is what's every yid asked for knows it and remembers it! NO One! in his generation came close to him! in any of the 3
עמודי עולם: תורה, עבודה, גמ"ח. חכמה, בּינה, ודעת
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But you chose to focus on some לומדות accomplishments That I'm sure an advanced YU,(of rabbi/dr. JB) student will appreciate.
you write: "RY was small potatoes" But RMF got fried big potato style.
David: "No, the boys from TV and The Mir would not daven (or be mitztaruf) after zeman tefilla."
But they would have no problem to be מחלל שבּת ויו"כ before the !זמן
according to the !דברי יציב
David said... "Here we go again with your circular logic"
You aren’t any David! Just another run-of-the-mill yavenite educated תינוק שנשבּי בין מינים ומינים שונים your dumb and twisted personal psycho attacks belong on FM! Take a hike there, where you will find your kind in abandonment! Until:
!וכל קרני רשעים אגדע
תאלמנה שפתי שקר הדוברות על צדיק עתק בגאוה ובוז
אמר רבי יוחנן: ששה חדשים היה עוסק במשכן, שלושה חדשים עשאוהו ושלשה חדשים קפלוהו, אעפ"כּ היו מליצין אחריו
בשעה שאמר הקב"ה לעשות לו משכן,... היה משה עושה במשכן, והיו ליצני ישראל אומרים: אפשר שהשכינה שורה על ידי בן עמרם?!
I would add RMF became popular especially here in America thru his כוח דהיתרא wich all קלים turned to him knowing well that כוח דהיתרא עדיף and he will ממציא זיין ההלכה accordingly! which contributed to the downfall of גדרים וסייגים all over! take out his היתרים and print them seperately that will become a monument in !פּריצת גדר, Note that the כלל, כח דהיתרא עדיף is only by an איסור דאורייתא and not to be used by an איסור דרבּנן , sine RMF was mostly on איסור דרבּנן לצד היתר his חידוש was stronger, see below:
רש"י:
טוב לו להשמיענו כח דברי המתיר, שהוא סומך על שמועתו ואינו ירא להתיר, אבל כח האוסרין אינה ראיה, שהכל יכולין להחמיר, ואפילו בדבר המותר
לדעתו של בעל הצל"ח: אם הנושא הנדון במחלוקת הוא איסור דרבנן אזי "כוח דאיסורא עדיף". מפני שבדינים מדרבנן הכלל ההלכתי הוא שיש לנטות לקולא ממילא הכלל מתהפך, ויש להבליט יותר את הדעה האוסרת, כי החידוש בה גדול יותר
correction:
"sine RMF was mostly on איסור דרבּנן לצד היתר his חידוש was stronger, see below:"
correction:
since RMF was mostly on איסור דרבּנן לצד היתר his חידושים are weak because by איסור דרבּנן it's the oposite כוח דאיסורא עדיף !!!
Melamed...
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RAK & RMF Who? How many tshivous did אברהם אבינו,הרשבּ"י או הבּעש"ט write? In fact the world would of be better off if RMF wouldn't write so many.. i.e. heter הזרעה מלאכתית, חלב עכו"ם, מחיצות ביהמ"ד etc etc. wich contributed to the downfall of chereidim in america in particular! As far as the renaissance of Jewish chareidi growth in America or worldwide RMF contributed zilch. RAK became the head of agudah in America which had not much presence in America before him, לנגח את החרדים, תהא זכרו ברוך The world would do fine without his reponsa writings to, his yeshivah became the ערי מקלט for the strayed chasidim, until there wasn’t such a thing he had a minisucle yeshivah."
I don't see from where u are getting your facts on the yeshiva world, its a growing powerhouse Lashem Vetorasai.. and they are rebuilding the whole Charadie Jewry from California to Lakewood...I guess the Blatt and its mother the Der Yid never told you that fact..
Its also worth to mention for you that Reb Moshe Teshuva on IVF is the mainstream peask for all fertility problems in the Charadie world, it is more accepted then any of the pesokim of the holy sefer Veyoell
So who was the posek hador..?
Think about it even his great pesak on Eruvin is etched in stone by our brothers of the Zali faction in Willi
So who was the posek hador..?
Melamed..
"How many tshivous did אברהם אבינו,הרשבּ"י או הבּעש"ט write?"
they were all am heratzim like Reb Chaim Mier of Grosvirden....and Rebe Arele of Belz..
Only Reb yoel knew torah.. don't you know that certified fact yet?
Melamed...
I will not try to answer reb moshes gadlus in torah and yiras shomaim for a little satmar boychic..
For me to talk and defend a godal as Reb Moshe who was in the leauge of Kovner Ruv or Shoal umeishiv, Marsham,is ludicrous is not for a little nobody like me..
As the kadmonim saying goes Uli Yedativ Huyisi...
one of the greatness of the Sakmer ruv was that he created a genaration of am aratzim that have the chutzpa to poke their nose in every field even where there great great father of Klienvaiden did not belong.
The same is being said on the Sakmar ruvs differing with a sar hatorah like the Avnie Nezer.... he was the lion of torah in his days with talmidim like Chelkas Yoav , Klie chemdah... if they would know and respect torah they would hide in a rabbit hole from this giants....
Divrie Yatziv
"David said... "Here we go again with your circular logic"
You aren’t any David! Just another run-of-the-mill yavenite educated תינוק שנשבּי בין מינים ומינים שונים your dumb and twisted personal psycho attacks belong on FM! Take a hike there, where you will find your kind in abandonment! Until:
!וכל קרני רשעים אגדע"
typical willi gibberish response , you curse till you run of repetitious curses..
Melamed
"you write: "RY was small potatoes" But RMF got fried big potato style."
this answer is from Olam Hteritzim.. as they say in Willi "Git Arien gefuran.. er vet zech mer nisht derviegen.....
"if they would know and respect torah they would hide in a rabbit hole from this giants...."
run rabbit run...
!כן יאבדו כל אויבך השם
One of the great chorbones, that Satmar created after the war is the tremendous bizayon hatorah, chazal say whoever is mevazeh a Talmud chochom is an Apikoirus! So who are the minim here?
My entire debate with this split personality is proof what I mentioned previously. This is the way of a Satmarer, they throw up smokescreens and then move their target. Much of what he states is inane.
Your argument that some of the greats didn’t either write teshuvos demonstrates that you lack basic comprehension. 1) RY claimed that his shita was halachic; therefore, we can critique them on their halachic merits. 2) Since the greats you mentioned didn’t write teshuvos we can’t asses them critically. However, RY did write teshuvos, and they contain many weaknesses as I mentioned previously.
Like many of RY’s Chassidim, your meager knowledge of what’s actually happening in the greater Yiddishe velt, can only exist because of your extreme provincialism. But this is not your fault he liked the idea of keeping his underlings clueless. You have no idea what’s going on out there. RMF’s teshuvos are followed the world over. While RMF was not a leader in the sense that RAK was, nevertheless the fact that he was consulted on most pertinent matters would classify him as the de facto manhig hador. RAK was the mastermind of the entire Yeshivishe revolution, which is influencing the Chassidishe Yeshiva velt as well.
RMF was not a kal at all. You simply don’t know many of his teshuvos. You only know the few teshuvos that RY argued on. RY was not in the league of RMF -- not in mentchlichkeit and most definitely not in Torah. (There is an unpublished teshuvah were RMF wiped the floor with RY.) The only “downfall of Chareidim in America” is in RY’s machne. There are so many non-believers originating from Williamsburg and KJ, it’s a calamity. There is no doubt that this is a direct result of RY’s chinuch of hate. (You don’t remember from one line to the next what you put to paper. Make up your mind, first you write there is a, “downfall of Chareidim in America,“ then you write there is a, “renaissance of Jewish Chareidi growth in America.”)
If RY was such an influential mahnig why would Chassidishe boys go to Lakewood, and not to his Mosdos? Why would Chassidishe Yeshivos seek Lakewood alumni as Magidei Shiurim, and not his Chasidim? A good way to analyze the influence of a leader is to observe the amount of times that he is quoted. RMF is quoted myriads of times more than RY. It’s fascinating; when it suits you, you would belittle RAK. So I guess my understanding of the private tapes of RY (where he spews his hate), which include his deriding of RAK is correct. RAK was a tool for RY. But don’t worry there was no love lost between the two of them.
Your either blind or an am haaretz in the inyan, RY was a very small player in the Nister arena. (Actually, no rebbe compares to the LR in this subject.) In any case, the only thing he mastered was derush.
You’re gluten for punishment. Why do you insist on mentioning his history prior to WWII? Do you want me to list his numerous quarrels? Or maybe you want to talk about the vicious tactics that he made use of. Perhaps you want to speak about his presence instilled fear in the rabbanim? What? He was, “the eye of the storm,” No no no, he created the storm; he was the storm itself. Stop deluding yourself. Numerous rabbanim were greater than him in all arenas. His nephew was much greater than him in Torah and Avodah. I would venture to say that his phenomenal mesiras nefesh during the war was the ultimate chesed, as well. The LR was much greater than him in Torah. His outreach is the foremost chesed. RMF was in a different league of Torah. RAK was light years ahead in Torah, and was great mahnig as well.
You midget, your rebbe collectively with his father are not in the league of RMF. It’s futile arguing with you.
David: April 20, 2012 12:11: "We are all suffering from his megalomaniac tendencies."
chusid101 : "One of the great chorbones, that Satmar created after the war is the tremendous bizayon hatorah, chazal say whoever is mevazeh a Talmud chochom is an Apikoirus! "
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OMG! did someone call RMF and RAK a MEGALOMANIAC!!! The טיטול Reserved for RYT ONLY! what a חוצפּה
Mentioning split personalities, I'm glad to know that בשׁלילה you're not! הוא עומד ברשעתו מתחילה ועד סוף except of course בגאותך קשה עם חוצפּה ועזות יתירה, בדרשתך הנבלה : כ"א כסלו, כ"א אב
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Itche Mier
"OMG! did someone call RMF and RAK a MEGALOMANIAC"
nobody called them because they were not, The same reason nobody called the holy Reb Zishe a MEGALOMANIAC", why not ? because he was not of that sort.
Itche Mier
"I'm glad to know that בשׁלילה you're not! הוא עומד ברשעתו מתחילה ועד סוף except of course בגאותך קשה עם חוצפּה ועזות יתירה, בדרשתך הנבלה : כ"א כסלו, כ"א אב
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
can u explain this leak of ink.... I am not getting it.
Let me ask some rhetorical questions that will illustrate my argument. Why did RY plunder the hechserim business from the Tzeilemer rav? Why did he offer lower tuition for children who were already in yeshivos? Why did he payoff rabbanim? Why did terrorize these rabbanim into submission? Why did he vilify anyone that stood in his why? Why did he promote terrorism? Why did he open a kollel if he abhorred it so? These are only a few of my arguments (regarding his years in America) which demonstrate that he was seeking to control American Yiddentum.
מה בין תלמידיו של אברהם אבינו לתלמידיו של בלעם הרשע
Below are comments made against RYT personally by alumni RAK & RMF – only on this thread called האדמו"ר האצ"ל'ניק - from people who claim that satmar are hatemongerer’s! and denigrate gedolim, Not one derogatory comment was made against the opposite camp, JUDGE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU JUDGE OTHERS!
!קשוט עצמך ואח"כּ קשוט אחרים
-satmar has the letters Samech Mem in it!!
- this statement is as stupid as saying "rather to kneel to 7 idols then 1 word hebrew," everybody has their extreme hangovers,,,
Is it the Satmar ruvs fault, that Hungarian Jews did not go to palestine early enough
-He did not have the audacity to survive a war with no concentration camp work and make all Klal Yisroel into kofrim a half hour after the biggest churban of Klal Yisroel
- it has same poundage of deriush as the Veyoel...
- as any Rebbe or "Manhig Yisroel" I tought that the Veyoel is ridiculing from all manhigie yisroel that are on the other side of his newfound religion
- isn't chasidus Nishtakcho? or only the Ahavas Yisroel parts?
- he always wanted to be where the money is.... obviously to gain a upperhand on his influence...
- When you will learn all of the above you would start seeing the sheker in your chinuch!
- Can I say that after all the black prophecies of the Sakmer Ruv on the State of Israel religious status, we can scream from all the roof tops that he is irrelevant,
- Good question for people that believe in the new religion, for klal yisroel
- Again you and Rebbe have no way to differentiate between Derush and Nigleh,
- How much did Satmer Ruv pay for bloch to forge this letters?
- One thing that really makes me mad is the claim that Rav Yolish established Yiddishkite in America.
- the vayoel moshe was written over forty years ago, min hashomaim they didn't paskened like him.
- I learn to debate from reading veyoel moshe, where every paragraph starts Veili Apikorsim...
- does Maari Shashportet have some chidush on Taam Keikor the favorite sugya of the Krepel Tisch?"
- he stood in the way of RY’s quest for world domination.
- The only thing that RY did for Yiddishkeit was buy a newspaper to disseminate his hate policies.
- I dont know who is the Mechabel or the Scarecrow,
- The scarecrow comment just demonstrates RY’s phenomenal ability at rewriting history,
- but those who disagree with his hate spewing have to be vigilant of their critique of his eminence?
- the problems facing us are to be placed squarely on him. The hijacking of Yiddiskeit by the Jewish Talban is extensions of his slash and burn policies
- We are all suffering from his megalomaniac tendencies.
- the Satmorim are bragging that no body answered the Little Derush sefer of their Rebbe
- every paragraph that the Veyoel starts, goes VELI HOAPIKORSIM
- the only place that he won was by Kliens Ice cream,
- He proceeded to systematically steal them and their mosdos away. There is no doubt that he had megalomaniac tendencies
- He did nothing for Yidishkite when it counted most; in the DP camps
- one of the greatness of the Sakmer ruv was that he created a genaration of am aratzim
- RY was not in the league of RMF -- not in mentchlichkeit and most definitely not in T
- There is an unpublished teshuvah were RMF wiped the floor with RY
- You midget, your rebbe collectively with his father are not in the league of RMF.
- nobody called them (megalomaniac) because they were not, The same reason nobody called the holy Reb Zishe a MEGALOMANIAC", why not ? because he was not of that sort.
דע מה שתשיב לאפיקורוס, הני מילי לאפיקורס נכרי, אבל אפיקורוס ישראל כל שכן דפרק טפי
סנהדרין ל״ח
HAVE FUN!
IDK who RMF was personnaly, I formed my opinion from his responsa pro/con and from a picture I saw him sitting at a headtable by one of his birthday parties! around 100 people with mixed seatings men & woman!
I also know that satmar rav z"l said once that if you learn torah without yirah! you wound up writing pesukim as RMF did, Go Figure!
Go Figure
"I saw him sitting at a headtable by one of his birthday parties! around 100 people with mixed seatings men & woman! "
can u scan the picture?
Didnt the Sakmer Ruv choose Dayan Wiess for ruv in the Eida haChradies? it was against the wishes of the NK.
I saw pictures of him sitting in a event with mixed seating men and women?
Are his pesokim approved by Reb Yoel? does it have yirah?
Go Figure
"I formed my opinion from his responsa pro/con"
can you give us the method of your analysis? is it academic ?or yeshivesh ? Yoli logic?
Divrie Yatziv
Your list is great, and thanks for compiling it, it is a good reference for everything pertaining the history of Rebinie Yoel.
Whatever takes for Gelbman 78 volumes, you put in 1 sheet
David: "These are only a few of my arguments (regarding his years in America) which demonstrate that he was seeking to control American Yiddentum."
Which he did and still does! Win some loose some but I'm convinced he controls them all! the winners & loosers!
Divrie Yatziv
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דע מה שתשיב לאפיקורוס, הני מילי לאפיקורס נכרי, אבל אפיקורוס ישראל כל שכן דפרק טפי
סנהדרין ל״ח"
I keep on reminding you that the apikoras is also the person who has no respect for a goan vetzadik as Reb Moshe and the holy Divrie Yatziv
Divrie Yatziv
"I would add RMF became popular especially here in America thru his כוח דהיתרא wich all קלים turned to him knowing well that כוח דהיתרא עדיף and he will ממציא זיין ההלכה accordingly! which contributed to the downfall of גדרים וסייגים all over"
Did u say that reb mioshe created Kalos in the USA and was the rav for all Kalim?
Did David say it? or u ?
You people like to cry when some guy decides to answer you people in your language,
Londoner Chochem: "Are his pesokim approved by Reb Yoel? does it have yirah?" "can u scan the picture?"
The difference is !תשובה If you recognize it's a sin I'm sure every yid does תשובה But if you think your act wasn't a sin than you don't do תשובה and...
The picture was published in a supplement of a sefer called והאמת עד לעצמו, מהרב קליין it's out of print But I'm sure if you look for it you will find it.
You can make a list, but you can’t answer even one argument. Do you want a list of all the rabbanim that you and your ilk denigrate? Your just getting a little of RY’s own medicine.
"I also know that satmar rav z"l said once that if you learn torah without yirah! you wound up writing pesukim as RMF did, Go Figure!"
Please don’t give us more fodder against RY. I once borrowed the yirah measuring stick from a Satmar Chussid, and I tested RY and RMF. RMF won hands down. Go figure.
Londoner Chochem: "can you give us the method of your analysis?"
I'm an YU alumni stationed in the new Teitelbaum Pavilion We don't deal in crap only in facts.
David: "Do you want a list of all the rabbanim that you and your ilk denigrate? "
ימשניק'ל No, I only want a list of the rabbanim "I denigrated" let them difend themselfs!
" I once borrowed the yirah measuring stick" yeah stick it in and see how deep it is full of..
David 11
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" I once borrowed the yirah measuring stick" yeah stick it in and see how deep it is full of.."
is that the best the Sands street bochik can do?
if you were by the famous Shovavim torahs you should have known that Bris Haloshen is Mechuvan to....
:זוהר
אין בין מים העליונים למים התחתונים אלא
כמלא גימא׳ והאי נימא עליה אתמר.. ווי לון מאן
דאפריש אות ברית בין מים למים ומנע
זרעא מניה דאחזר עלמא לתהו ובהו
!שוחטי ילדים
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