Monday, June 25, 2012

(running for cover)

I expect to be branded a traitor and an אויסווארף who doesn't know how much pain this man caused the Rebbe by writing his now infamous article in the פארווערטס about the טעראר בריגאדע אין ליובאוויטש. But I cannot help myself, so I will publish it. Rabbi Shurin passed on like 2 weeks ago at a ripe old age. I will not defend what he did to Lubavitch with his infamous article, but I cannot say that I don't understand him. In any case this is not the most appropriate post 3 Tammuz article, but I'm not always in control of that, even if it seems like I may be. (No, I don't mean that I have "handlers," like many of you want to believe.)

 Here's the link to the sicha where the Rebbe addresses the article by Shurin. ר' אהרן בנציון Shurin

21 comments:

chaim said...

HEY, yold,
Lubavitch did R'Rivkin in!!!
And you still have taynes????
Reminds me of the kid who denounced his father, supposedly to Stalins henchmen.
You won't be succesful in changing history

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

hey yold back

listen to the sicha, if you dare

Joe said...

Shurin caused the pain?!
the terroristen caused the pain!

Reb Hersh said...

R' Tzig. I must say, you've made a poor editorial decision here.

Maileh kumt a Yoime Depagra, let alone Gimmel Tammuz and you cant find anything inspiring to write, iz a halbeh tzoroh.

( The piece about Shabbos at the Ohel, seems like pandering at best.)

You can tayne, you aren't the standard, run of the mill website and it doesn't behoove you to conform to conventional journalistic norms.

You can also claim that you will write something inspirational at a later point and time. You aren't preoccupied with time sensitive issues. L'maylo mhazman . Meileh.

But is this article and the ensuing discussion, so important to post in its place ?

Because it just appeared and you consider it timely to discuss it now while its fresh ?

Are you mugbul to zman or not ?

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

yes, time is limited. This piece was prepared before 3Tamuz. And it didn't take much preparation, as you can see.

iolo said...

please post the article in the forverts that is being referred to. thanks

Gershon said...

Can u give some background pls?

anon said...

i am not saying that the terrorists were right, but do you not get, that this that they started with his shver, was because of shurin's articles where he attack's the rebbe?
so yes it was shurin who started it.

Anon3 said...

"HEY, yold,
Lubavitch did R'Rivkin in!!!"
Straight from Scotty's smut site. Completely false.
Rabbi Rivkin died of an aneurysm on the brain caused by a fall down the stairs during Sukkos over a year after this entire incident took place.I can say so with surety being close to the family.
"so yes it was shurin who started it."
Your chronology is all wrong.As much as I hate to say it,Shurin's article came about as a result of the terrorists.

chaim said...

Anon3/Arthur,
You contradict yourself?
And a smart person doesen't start up with family

Brigade Cheif said...

Did you here of a story of 2 sisters and their husbands were fighting over the the inheritance of their Father/in law and and an agreement was made in private,
The nephew and his grand mother were not so happy about the settlement ,and they started to give the uncle/son in law the silent treatment ,
The uncle became super wealthy (when he died he left for his secretaries bank accounts of over 100 millions cash,
When the poor nephew wanted some money to marry off his adopted children he sold some objects that all of the family knew from their private settlement that the nephew is entitled to much more,
But the uncle wanted revenge for giving him the silent treatment all the years so he took his nephew to court ,
The problem was that nephews parents could testify on his behalf so the uncle who was still in pain for being labeled a chief of a terror brigade ORDERED in code language the murder of his sister In law,
miraculously she survived the sledge hammer beating and the murderer was whisked out of the country, but the nephews parents got the message what will happen if they testify on their sons behalf,
Hershel does this story sound familiar??

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

very familiar. I think it's one of those fairy tales they teach kids in Nursery school.

Oh, and I heard it was 100 Billion in cash. or maybe even a Trillion.

NS said...

Anon3 said...
why did they start with rivkin in the first place?

tomoshaver said...

It all started when Rivkin denied his signature against the Mizrachi for the Mihu Yehudi law....

tomoshaver said...

Brigade chief
"The uncle became super wealthy (when he died he left for his secretaries bank accounts of over 100 millions cash, "
I think the uncle left a trillion and Obama used it lately for the stimulus....

tomoshaver said...

I dont understand why the Rebbe is not applauded for standing up against the Meshkitzdike Mizrachi?
I guess Chabad is doomed either way....
But let me tell you Chabad haters you should of been shabbos by the ohel... with a full bies hamedrash 6.00 in the morning Yiden learning chasidus, after a night of Farbrebgen of thousands.. noting less then Lubavich by the Reshab, just 100 fold larger ...with a nice kibutz of newcomers Shtriemlech new faces....
The Rebbe and his torah talks to their soul....still 18 years after the histalkus...There is no chasidus that still attracts outsiders.. its all inside growth

Anon3 said...

"You contradict yourself?
And a smart person doesen't start up with family"
Please enlighten me as to the so called contradiction.Am I responsible for your lack of reading comprehension?

I'm not starting up with family just stating the facts as they truly occurred.

מי אתה said...

tomoshaver : "with a nice kibutz of newcomers Shtriemlech new faces.." "I dont understand why the Rebbe is not applauded for standing up against the Meshkitzdike Mizrachi?"


I'm glad they waited until 18 years after the petira!

אחר הקדחת של מיהו יהודי, מיהו משיח וא"י השלימה, אתה מתרעם על המרחי
?

chaim said...

Tomashover,
Why can't you be honest?
You are a Chbdsker.Fine.Why play the game as if you are not???
I don't mean on this thread, I mean bichlal, you misrepresent yourself.

chaim said...

"As much as I hate to say it,Shurin's article came about as a result of the terrorists."
Why would you hate to "say it"?After all it's your cousin and you know the truth.
The answer is that Chabad affiliation trumps everything, just like in the old Russland.A small surprise here is that you actually do tell the truth, grudgingly.

Anon3 said...

"Why would you hate to "say it"?After all it's your cousin and you know the truth.
The answer is that Chabad affiliation trumps everything"

No! Chabad affiliation doesn't trump everything.The truth trumps everything and yes because of my familial relationship I know the truth as you yourself state.Since you claim to be familiar with both myself and this entire sorry episode do you question the veracity of my original comment?If yes I challenge you to correct the "error" of my above innocuous comment as to the chronology of the events as they occurred.
In reality your only quibble is with my usage of the term "I hate to say it"meh!Oich mir ah taineh.It's a term that's used quite often when a person responds with the truth to certain false assertions or allegations.So in short let me summarize with the old adage,put up or shut up.